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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 10, 2018 15:06:29 GMT -4
Considering what Hoffman got, I wasn't expecting much. Nick Suzuki is a very good return alone to be honest, Tatar as a reclamation project and a second is just icing on the cake. Hoffman was a guy with a lot of baggage, plus his GF is batshit crazy.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 10, 2018 15:21:05 GMT -4
Suzuki is the main piece. Surprised Vegas dealt him. Ottawa wanted him last spring in the karlsson deal. Vegas said he was off limits. I’m aware of that but Tatar with 3 years left on his deal is a negative asset for Montreal in the deal. Suzuki is still a prospect who hasn’t played above junior. And I’ve seen zero reports that said Vegas wouldn’t trade him for Karlsson. Feel free to back up that statement I don't see how a guy that has averaged over 20G per year at 4.8M AAV is a negative asset. LV traded for him at 5.3M AAV only 6 months ago and paid a 1st, 2nd and 3rd...a 27 year old player's value doesn't drop that fast. It was an issue of adding a player without having a real spot for him, they already had Perron Neal Audi-Marchessault Tuch Smith and Haula on the wings. Makes it hard for a new guy without chemistry or knowing the system to hit the ground running. IMO the Habs took him because they saw value, either in the lineup or to flip for good value down the road. No way that was a cap dump.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 10, 2018 15:24:32 GMT -4
yeah not really blown away with the return but it's not terribad but what an awful season it's going to be to watch this year I think they'll be better than people think. Price has too much pride to have another crapper of a season. If Weber only misses 4-6 weeks I see them being not too far off a playoff spot. They have some young guys ready to take a step forward in Drouin Domi Hudon Scherbak Reilly Lehkonen and Armia. They can be somewhat like Las Vegas where they have 3 lines that can contribute and no big name.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 10, 2018 15:26:46 GMT -4
I don't think the Habs want the Pacioretty thing as the theme of the season... I would guess the Kane and Wheeler extensions are a pretty good framework... Kane got 7 years at 49M at 27 Wheeler got 5 years at 41.25M(8.25 AAV) at 33 Pacioretty's new deal would start at 30 So looking at 6 years at 7.5-7.75M . 4 years and $28 million is the contract. That's like signing for 32.5M in Montreal considering the 16% gap in income tax.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2018 15:32:14 GMT -4
yeah not really blown away with the return but it's not terribad but what an awful season it's going to be to watch this year I think they'll be better than people think. Price has too much pride to have another crapper of a season. If Weber only misses 4-6 weeks I see them being not too far off a playoff spot. They have some young guys ready to take a step forward in Drouin Domi Hudon Scherbak Reilly Lehkonen and Armia. They can be somewhat like Las Vegas where they have 3 lines that can contribute and no big name. Starting Early this year I see...they added nothing...we’re brutal last year...but you think they are comparable to the team that lost in the finals...it’s gonna be a wild ride.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 10, 2018 15:52:14 GMT -4
4 years and $28 million is the contract. That's like signing for 32.5M in Montreal considering the 16% gap in income tax. Makes you wonder if Price really wanted to be there or thought nobody would give him the same contract...or if the tax stuff is completely overblown because these guys are all millionaires many times over and are, compared to other pro sports especially, very good with their money.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 10, 2018 16:00:19 GMT -4
yeah not really blown away with the return but it's not terribad but what an awful season it's going to be to watch this year I think they'll be better than people think. Price has too much pride to have another crapper of a season. If Weber only misses 4-6 weeks I see them being not too far off a playoff spot. They have some young guys ready to take a step forward in Drouin Domi Hudon Scherbak Reilly Lehkonen and Armia. They can be somewhat like Las Vegas where they have 3 lines that can contribute and no big name. Mid-December return means Weber misses 10 weeks. Downgrade Pacioretty/Galachenyuk offensively to Tatar/Domi and how are you making the playoffs over teams that were on the bubble like Philly and NJ? You need some of those guys to take 5 steps forward if you want to be a 92-95 point team. And 95 points wouldnt even get you in last season. You might be the worst team in the league on paper to start the season. A healthy Price is the difference between picking in the top 3 or just inside the top 10 as an ~80 point team or so. You'd need huge additions to be more then that.
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Post by Murph on Sept 10, 2018 16:26:55 GMT -4
That's like signing for 32.5M in Montreal considering the 16% gap in income tax. Makes you wonder if Price really wanted to be there or thought nobody would give him the same contract...or if the tax stuff is completely overblown because these guys are all millionaires many times over and are, compared to other pro sports especially, very good with their money. Tax things are almost always overblown, because as long as the player has a residence in another state, they get it back. That’s why so many guys live in Florida or at least own a place there. If Carey Price plays and lives in Montreal then he pays Monteal taxes. But if he lives in Montreal for “work” and owns a home in Florida, he gets a huge windfall when he files his taxes.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 10, 2018 16:31:18 GMT -4
Makes you wonder if Price really wanted to be there or thought nobody would give him the same contract...or if the tax stuff is completely overblown because these guys are all millionaires many times over and are, compared to other pro sports especially, very good with their money. Tax things are almost always overblown, because as long as the player has a residence in another state, they get it back. That’s why so many guys live in Florida or at least own a place there. If Carey Price plays and lives in Montreal then he pays Monteal taxes. But if he lives in Montreal for “work” and owns a home in Florida, he gets a huge windfall when he files his taxes. Exactly. I missed all those tax breakdowns from when Tavares went home to Toronto....because people only worry about it when certain teams are involved. If the players were about sucking every cent out of the league there would be max deals like the NBA and a guy like Pacioretty would never ever sign for a 4 year term on the verge of free agency.
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Post by zombieregdunlop on Sept 10, 2018 17:00:44 GMT -4
I'm a Habs fan, but they've been utterly classless with Pacioretty. The return was as good as you could expect at this point. But their treatment of him has been garbage, and that includes the friendship between Bergevin and Pat Brisson. I hope he scores 50 this year in Vegas and Bergevin doesn't last the year.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 10, 2018 17:21:59 GMT -4
I think they'll be better than people think. Price has too much pride to have another crapper of a season. If Weber only misses 4-6 weeks I see them being not too far off a playoff spot. They have some young guys ready to take a step forward in Drouin Domi Hudon Scherbak Reilly Lehkonen and Armia. They can be somewhat like Las Vegas where they have 3 lines that can contribute and no big name. Mid-December return means Weber misses 10 weeks. Downgrade Pacioretty/Galachenyuk offensively to Tatar/Domi and how are you making the playoffs over teams that were on the bubble like Philly and NJ? You need some of those guys to take 5 steps forward if you want to be a 92-95 point team. And 95 points wouldnt even get you in last season. You might be the worst team in the league on paper to start the season. A healthy Price is the difference between picking in the top 3 or just inside the top 10 as an ~80 point team or so. You'd need huge additions to be more then that. I read somewhere last week that he(Weber) was ahead of schedule. His return to health and Price's return to normal are obviously both big keys. Pacioretty last season scored 17 goals , THAT won't be hard for Tatar to match or beat. If he was the 35 goal Pacioretty last year, they would have been a better team. I think Domi can be an upgrade on Galchenyuk(19-32-51), he can match the points and play a better all around game. Domi had 45 last year, and I think he has another level he can get to. Drouin has the skill to do A LOT better than 46 points. Armia put up 29 getting pretty much 4th line minutes, he could surprise, underrated player. Lehkonen is another young guy who can bring more offense, he was grounded by an injury early but finished much better(10-5-15 in 33 games after ASG) and scored 18 as a rookie.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 10, 2018 17:23:54 GMT -4
Tax things are almost always overblown, because as long as the player has a residence in another state, they get it back. That’s why so many guys live in Florida or at least own a place there. If Carey Price plays and lives in Montreal then he pays Monteal taxes. But if he lives in Montreal for “work” and owns a home in Florida, he gets a huge windfall when he files his taxes. Exactly. I missed all those tax breakdowns from when Tavares went home to Toronto....because people only worry about it when certain teams are involved. If the players were about sucking every cent out of the league there would be max deals like the NBA and a guy like Pacioretty would never ever sign for a 4 year term on the verge of free agency. Tavares went to his childhood team. Had he gone to SJ, they would have had to put 1M or more per year to beat out TB. Apparently they had the best monetary offer at around 12.5+(San Jose).
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 10, 2018 17:25:35 GMT -4
That's like signing for 32.5M in Montreal considering the 16% gap in income tax. Makes you wonder if Price really wanted to be there or thought nobody would give him the same contract...or if the tax stuff is completely overblown because these guys are all millionaires many times over and are, compared to other pro sports especially, very good with their money. Where Price REALLY got paid is getting 8 years from the Habs...I said at the time they should have only gone 5 years max, but going 8 years likely lowered the AAV. IMO he didn't give much of a home town discount.
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Post by Score on Sept 11, 2018 9:34:04 GMT -4
Subban.....Galchenyuk.....Patches...
Who's next on MB's list to move?
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 11, 2018 11:02:46 GMT -4
Subban.....Galchenyuk.....Patches... Who's next on MB's list to move? Byron and Plekanec
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