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Post by caper93 on Sept 8, 2018 13:11:18 GMT -4
Nobody can compete with us . So deep at all levels . So much cap room. Good chance we sign sequin next summer after we win the cup this year. Anyone heading up to the home opener? You're either completely clueless or a troll. Replacing JVR with Tavares brings the Leafs closer to the top. Nowhere near unbeatable as you claim. Just sit back and watch! The leafs will have puck control 75% of the Game with there center depth. Jake gardnier has been working harder then ever this offseason . Look for him to have a huge year. Is there a better goalie then Freddy in the league ? The 1967 jokes stop this year. Go leafs go
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 10, 2018 10:12:30 GMT -4
You're either completely clueless or a troll. Replacing JVR with Tavares brings the Leafs closer to the top. Nowhere near unbeatable as you claim. Just sit back and watch! The leafs will have puck control 75% of the Game with there center depth. Jake gardnier has been working harder then ever this offseason . Look for him to have a huge year. Is there a better goalie then Freddy in the league ? The 1967 jokes stop this year. Go leafs go Can we just get this guy banned again vs letting him ruin another thread? For some reason the troll would rather ruin a thread about a team he hates vs just contribute to a thread for a team he likes. There's no need of putting up with that type of poster here.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 10, 2018 15:27:55 GMT -4
Just sit back and watch! The leafs will have puck control 75% of the Game with there center depth. Jake gardnier has been working harder then ever this offseason . Look for him to have a huge year. Is there a better goalie then Freddy in the league ? The 1967 jokes stop this year. Go leafs go Can we just get this guy banned again vs letting him ruin another thread? For some reason the troll would rather ruin a thread about a team he hates vs just contribute to a thread for a team he likes. There's no need of putting up with that type of poster here. You Leaf fans are all the same homers!
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 12, 2018 14:09:45 GMT -4
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Post by EagleFan2009 on Sept 12, 2018 16:13:18 GMT -4
Looking north of 8million. Here’s a crazy idea. Package him in a deal for karlsson. It gives you that #1 guy on the back you’re missing. Would love to see that happen and I’m not even a leafs fan.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 12, 2018 16:55:36 GMT -4
No issues with trading him if he's asking for a crazy amount.
He hasn't proven enough to warrant $8mil or 7/8 year term for that amount.
It's come down in dollars in exchange for term or sign a bridge for 2-3 years.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 12, 2018 16:58:28 GMT -4
Looking north of 8million. Here’s a crazy idea. Package him in a deal for karlsson. It gives you that #1 guy on the back you’re missing. Would love to see that happen and I’m not even a leafs fan. I'd only do it with an extension. No way you trade a Nylander for a rental. History, especially recently, suggests the best you get D wise for a Nylander is a 2nd pairing guy. That's not what we need in a deal like that. I don't think expecting a top tier D, outside of a unique Karlsson UFA situation, is realistic for Nylander as much as people try pushing it as a realistic narrative or common sense move.
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Post by scotiahockey on Sept 12, 2018 19:52:59 GMT -4
No issues with trading him if he's asking for a crazy amount. He hasn't proven enough to warrant $8mil or 7/8 year term for that amount. It's come down in dollars in exchange for term or sign a bridge for 2-3 years. I think context is important too, everyone is going to open up high in negotiations. If he was asking $8 million for a 2-3 year deal then yeah that’s crazy, if they asked him what amount would he need to sign an 8 year deal, right now then yeah $8 million while still high, isn’t that crazy. While it’d be high for the first few years when he’s 4 years into the contact and the cap has gone up and he’s developed more, then it would probably be market value based on what other guys are getting/with the cap gone up.
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Post by EagleFan2009 on Sept 13, 2018 6:44:00 GMT -4
Looking north of 8million. Here’s a crazy idea. Package him in a deal for karlsson. It gives you that #1 guy on the back you’re missing. Would love to see that happen and I’m not even a leafs fan. I'd only do it with an extension. No way you trade a Nylander for a rental. History, especially recently, suggests the best you get D wise for a Nylander is a 2nd pairing guy. That's not what we need in a deal like that. I don't think expecting a top tier D, outside of a unique Karlsson UFA situation, is realistic for Nylander as much as people try pushing it as a realistic narrative or common sense move. I agree the contract has to be involved. This is a rare situation where maybe you could get him a bit cheaper. Nylander,prospect and a pick ? Id consider it if he was signing a 3 year contract minimum. Id want nylanders contract money on the backend.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 13, 2018 7:02:58 GMT -4
No issues with trading him if he's asking for a crazy amount. He hasn't proven enough to warrant $8mil or 7/8 year term for that amount. It's come down in dollars in exchange for term or sign a bridge for 2-3 years. 8M isn't way off the reservation, you're buying 4 UFA years plus the cap has consistently gone up. as well, you're getting all his prime years. That's assuming they get an 8 year commitment, others have signed for a fair bit less(Monahan Pasternak etc) but they only signed for 5-6 years making them UFA's in their prime. At 5-6 years I can see them settling around 7M. That accounts for cap inflation since Pasternak and Monahan signed.
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Post by caper93 on Sept 13, 2018 8:23:50 GMT -4
No issues with trading him if he's asking for a crazy amount. He hasn't proven enough to warrant $8mil or 7/8 year term for that amount. It's come down in dollars in exchange for term or sign a bridge for 2-3 years. 8M isn't way off the reservation, you're buying 4 UFA years plus the cap has consistently gone up. as well, you're getting all his prime years. That's assuming they get an 8 year commitment, others have signed for a fair bit less(Monahan Pasternak etc) but they only signed for 5-6 years making them UFA's in their prime. At 5-6 years I can see them settling around 7M. That accounts for cap inflation since Pasternak and Monahan signed. I agree 8 million a year to lock up one of the best young players feels like a fair deal to me. Players like this don’t come along everyday and to have him secured for 7 or 8 years is a bargain. Lock him up to be part of the core of this dynasty. We have tons of cap room might as well use it.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 13, 2018 9:43:00 GMT -4
No issues with trading him if he's asking for a crazy amount. He hasn't proven enough to warrant $8mil or 7/8 year term for that amount. It's come down in dollars in exchange for term or sign a bridge for 2-3 years. 8M isn't way off the reservation, you're buying 4 UFA years plus the cap has consistently gone up. as well, you're getting all his prime years. That's assuming they get an 8 year commitment, others have signed for a fair bit less(Monahan Pasternak etc) but they only signed for 5-6 years making them UFA's in their prime. At 5-6 years I can see them settling around 7M. That accounts for cap inflation since Pasternak and Monahan signed. I'd have no issue with $7m on a 6 year deal. To me we need to get the core 4 locked in under $40mil total and that would leave $22 mil for Matthews and Marner which is logical. Pastrnak is the comparable for me. And Pastrnak is a better player in my opinion for the record. Add a year of inflation and you're right around $7. Or high 6's but who cares about a couplehundred K in either direction. But 8 million is too much and gets into a category of player that Nylander needs to prove to be before getting that money. I like Nylander but no way is he a guy you set new salary precedents with. I can see it ending in 2 ways. A 2 year bridge for $12-13 or a 6-7 year in the $6.8-7 range.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 13, 2018 9:44:59 GMT -4
8M isn't way off the reservation, you're buying 4 UFA years plus the cap has consistently gone up. as well, you're getting all his prime years. That's assuming they get an 8 year commitment, others have signed for a fair bit less(Monahan Pasternak etc) but they only signed for 5-6 years making them UFA's in their prime. At 5-6 years I can see them settling around 7M. That accounts for cap inflation since Pasternak and Monahan signed. I agree 8 million a year to lock up one of the best young players feels like a fair deal to me. Players like this don’t come along everyday and to have him secured for 7 or 8 years is a bargain. Lock him up to be part of the core of this dynasty. We have tons of cap room might as well use it. Troll gonna troll. Unfortunately Mods are not gonna Mod until it goes too far.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 13, 2018 9:56:13 GMT -4
8M isn't way off the reservation, you're buying 4 UFA years plus the cap has consistently gone up. as well, you're getting all his prime years. That's assuming they get an 8 year commitment, others have signed for a fair bit less(Monahan Pasternak etc) but they only signed for 5-6 years making them UFA's in their prime. At 5-6 years I can see them settling around 7M. That accounts for cap inflation since Pasternak and Monahan signed. I'd have no issue with $7m on a 6 year deal. To me we need to get the core 4 locked in under $40mil total and that would leave $22 mil for Matthews and Marner which is logical. Pastrnak is the comparable for me. And Pastrnak is a better player in my opinion for the record. Add a year of inflation and you're right around $7. Or high 6's but who cares about a couplehundred K in either direction. But 8 million is too much and gets into a category of player that Nylander needs to prove to be before getting that money. I like Nylander but no way is he a guy you set new salary precedents with. I can see it ending in 2 ways. A 2 year bridge for $12-13 or a 6-7 year in the $6.8-7 range. The give and take in this type of situation is, for the team they want their young player signed through his prime years(8) versus being a UFA in his prime(3-5). For the player, they will often take less to get a shorter deal at 6-7M knowing they can hit it big in 3-4 years. The funny part is, dealing with young players(21-24), adding years increases the AAV, while dealing with older players(28-35), it's the opposite...
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 13, 2018 9:58:38 GMT -4
No issues with trading him if he's asking for a crazy amount. He hasn't proven enough to warrant $8mil or 7/8 year term for that amount. It's come down in dollars in exchange for term or sign a bridge for 2-3 years. I think context is important too, everyone is going to open up high in negotiations. If he was asking $8 million for a 2-3 year deal then yeah that’s crazy, if they asked him what amount would he need to sign an 8 year deal, right now then yeah $8 million while still high, isn’t that crazy. While it’d be high for the first few years when he’s 4 years into the contact and the cap has gone up and he’s developed more, then it would probably be market value based on what other guys are getting/with the cap gone up. Recent comparables in/around 8 mil are veterans like Wheeler and Couture with proven track records and playoff success. Short or long term he shouldn't get that kind of money until he can prove more in the post-season. Guys who are comparable in age and talent and put up better numbers like Pastrnak signed for mid-high 6's. You can start your negotiating at 8 but no way it ends up there in my opinion as a final number. The real issue is 2/3 years vs 6/7 I think.
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