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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 24, 2018 16:02:55 GMT -4
Not really sure how dubas is going to pull this off. He knows he cant overpay him or hes so handcuffed next year he will be screwed. All i can think about is the marleau deal, if that deal never happened he would not be in this situation.. Marleau's deal has nothing to do with it. Nylander basically wants to be paid like a #1 C. He wants Johansen/Kuznetsov/Draisaitl type of money. 8+ mil for 7+ years. They're offering Ehlers and Pastrnak money. Between 6 and 6.7 million. They're playing hard ball because to them he's one of their biggest question marks in terms of off ice "where is his head at" questions. They have none of those fears or question marks about Matthews or Marner. Nylander was a headache just to get his ELC done. Nonis had to call Michael Nylander and tell him why William will never get his A B and C bonuses from any NHL team as an 8th overall pick. Because daddy was trying to drive the negotiations to max out his ELC. The same reasons Michael Nylander played for a new team every 2 years or so during his career is why the Leafs refuse to set a new precedent with William. They want him to prove he's that 2 way 80 point player before they pay him like it with 2 60 point seasons and no playoff success. So if he wants the long term deal then it's at a comparable Ehlers to Pastrnak level. With some inflation that's right around $7 mil per. It's not about managing the cap in terms of who they have and what they make today. It's about not locking yourself into an unmovable deal by setting a new precedent for a player you'd love to have but not ever at a deal that blows other comparable deals away. If you have 4 elite players combining for $40 million all carrying their weight then there's no issues cap wise as the cap will only keep going up for the next few years with more expansion on the horizon. But this is about proving to a Nylander that you'll be paid on that level when you reach it. Not before. It's not about any current deal stopping them from signing him. This is an organization that just 3-4 years ago had what people called unmovable anchors like Clarkson, Kessel, and Phaneuf. We can get out of deals if we need to do so. And does anyone see Marleau playing next season for $1 million? Better chance he's being paid by Arizona to sit home with an injury ala every other old guy in the NHL who had money left on a long term deal. The problem is, there has been pretty good inflation since those deals got signed. Inflation puts Nylanders around 7-7.5M.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 24, 2018 16:16:39 GMT -4
Marleau's deal has nothing to do with it. Nylander basically wants to be paid like a #1 C. He wants Johansen/Kuznetsov/Draisaitl type of money. 8+ mil for 7+ years. They're offering Ehlers and Pastrnak money. Between 6 and 6.7 million. They're playing hard ball because to them he's one of their biggest question marks in terms of off ice "where is his head at" questions. They have none of those fears or question marks about Matthews or Marner. Nylander was a headache just to get his ELC done. Nonis had to call Michael Nylander and tell him why William will never get his A B and C bonuses from any NHL team as an 8th overall pick. Because daddy was trying to drive the negotiations to max out his ELC. The same reasons Michael Nylander played for a new team every 2 years or so during his career is why the Leafs refuse to set a new precedent with William. They want him to prove he's that 2 way 80 point player before they pay him like it with 2 60 point seasons and no playoff success. So if he wants the long term deal then it's at a comparable Ehlers to Pastrnak level. With some inflation that's right around $7 mil per. It's not about managing the cap in terms of who they have and what they make today. It's about not locking yourself into an unmovable deal by setting a new precedent for a player you'd love to have but not ever at a deal that blows other comparable deals away. If you have 4 elite players combining for $40 million all carrying their weight then there's no issues cap wise as the cap will only keep going up for the next few years with more expansion on the horizon. But this is about proving to a Nylander that you'll be paid on that level when you reach it. Not before. It's not about any current deal stopping them from signing him. This is an organization that just 3-4 years ago had what people called unmovable anchors like Clarkson, Kessel, and Phaneuf. We can get out of deals if we need to do so. And does anyone see Marleau playing next season for $1 million? Better chance he's being paid by Arizona to sit home with an injury ala every other old guy in the NHL who had money left on a long term deal. The problem is, there has been pretty good inflation since those deals got signed. Inflation puts Nylanders around 7-7.5M. No, there hasn't been. Both Ehlers and Pastrnak signed 12 months ago. What is the inflation year to year, 5%? Nylander is not as good as Pastrnak. Inflation on that deal still puts you at or under $7 million. If Ehlers, a better comparable, is the comparable it's at or under $6.5. Your inflation to $7.5 is over 10% inflation year to year. Nylander's asking for $8 million.
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Post by EagleFan2009 on Sept 24, 2018 16:58:47 GMT -4
The problem is, there has been pretty good inflation since those deals got signed. Inflation puts Nylanders around 7-7.5M. No, there hasn't been. Both Ehlers and Pastrnak signed 12 months ago. What is the inflation year to year, 5%? Nylander is not as good as Pastrnak. Inflation on that deal still puts you at or under $7 million. If Ehlers, a better comparable, is the comparable it's at or under $6.5. Your inflation to $7.5 is over 10% inflation year to year. Nylander's asking for $8 million. I just meant at the time of marleau signing a lot of people questioned where the space was coming for the young guys. I just don’t see how dubas can sign Nylander, then Matthews, Marner and the others next year and be under cap. Either moves will be made, or Nylander is on his way out.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 24, 2018 17:56:32 GMT -4
No, there hasn't been. Both Ehlers and Pastrnak signed 12 months ago. What is the inflation year to year, 5%? Nylander is not as good as Pastrnak. Inflation on that deal still puts you at or under $7 million. If Ehlers, a better comparable, is the comparable it's at or under $6.5. Your inflation to $7.5 is over 10% inflation year to year. Nylander's asking for $8 million. I just meant at the time of marleau signing a lot of people questioned where the space was coming for the young guys. I just don’t see how dubas can sign Nylander, then Matthews, Marner and the others next year and be under cap. Either moves will be made, or Nylander is on his way out. Of course there will be moves made but they can fit them all under the cap. Assuming a slight increase to 82 or so million there will be almost $10 million to spend on 2 2nd pairing defencemen and a 4th line forward or 2. That's all with me putting Nylander, Matthews, Marner all splitting $28.5 million with Willy getting 7, Marner 9.5 and Matthews 12 assuming the latter 2 have dominant seasons. Get Nylander on a 2 year bridge for $6.5 or so and Matthews or Marner don't have 80-90 point seasons and you might have an extra $2mil or so to work with. And that is while including Marleau. Get rid of his deal and you're at 16.5 or so for those 4-5 roster spots. Maybe more depending on those variables like a bridge or not having top 10 in the league scorers.
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Post by bois on Sept 25, 2018 8:38:14 GMT -4
Nylander will be moved...... bank on it
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 25, 2018 10:53:52 GMT -4
Nylander will be moved...... bank on it If he signs a bridge I can see a deal after the season or during next year but I don't think he's going anywhere for this season.
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Post by caper93 on Sept 27, 2018 6:45:50 GMT -4
Huge game from Marner lastnight . The poweplay looks like it’s in mid season form. Freddy was sharp also. One more week to go. So excited. Go leafs go!
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Post by hal on Sept 27, 2018 7:20:26 GMT -4
Huge game from Marner lastnight . The poweplay looks like it’s in mid season form. Freddy was sharp also. One more week to go. So excited. Go leafs go! Yep , not much sense in even playing the Regular Season .
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Post by caper93 on Sept 27, 2018 7:24:58 GMT -4
Huge game from Marner lastnight . The poweplay looks like it’s in mid season form. Freddy was sharp also. One more week to go. So excited. Go leafs go! Yep , not much sense in even playing the Regular Season . No need to hate . Were stacked from top to bottom should be an exciting and successful year in leaf nation!
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 27, 2018 8:47:00 GMT -4
Huge game from Marner lastnight . The poweplay looks like it’s in mid season form. Freddy was sharp also. One more week to go. So excited. Go leafs go! Yep , not much sense in even playing the Regular Season . Yeah I can understand why a Habs fan would rather get this one over with quickly. It hasn't even started yet and Montreal seems to be eliminated from the playoff hunt
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 27, 2018 10:42:59 GMT -4
Yep , not much sense in even playing the Regular Season . Yeah I can understand why a Habs fan would rather get this one over with quickly. It hasn't even started yet and Montreal seems to be eliminated from the playoff hunt Though it's just a preseason game, I was impressed with the pace the Habs played at, last season under Julien they seemed to try and slow things down instead of playing fast.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 27, 2018 11:48:11 GMT -4
Yeah I can understand why a Habs fan would rather get this one over with quickly. It hasn't even started yet and Montreal seems to be eliminated from the playoff hunt Though it's just a preseason game, I was impressed with the pace the Habs played at, last season under Julien they seemed to try and slow things down instead of playing fast. You need to play fast now unless you're of a superstar caliber who knows the where's and when's to be able to slow things down. That's a reason over the last 15 years or so we've become a sport where the "old" guys are late 20's and early 30's where late 90's early 2000's there seemed to be this larger amount of guys in their mid 30's still making a go of it because the style had everything moving at a slower pace with more physical play.
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Post by hal on Sept 27, 2018 13:41:24 GMT -4
Yep ......Montreal will be in the Jack Hughes Sweepstakes for sure .
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Post by hal on Sept 27, 2018 13:42:08 GMT -4
............and the Lafrenniere Sweepstakes too .
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Post by aquilae on Sept 27, 2018 14:20:06 GMT -4
Hughes Lafreniére Kokaniemi Poehling
2023 Stanley Cup here we come.
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