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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 13, 2018 10:02:19 GMT -4
I'd have no issue with $7m on a 6 year deal. To me we need to get the core 4 locked in under $40mil total and that would leave $22 mil for Matthews and Marner which is logical. Pastrnak is the comparable for me. And Pastrnak is a better player in my opinion for the record. Add a year of inflation and you're right around $7. Or high 6's but who cares about a couplehundred K in either direction. But 8 million is too much and gets into a category of player that Nylander needs to prove to be before getting that money. I like Nylander but no way is he a guy you set new salary precedents with. I can see it ending in 2 ways. A 2 year bridge for $12-13 or a 6-7 year in the $6.8-7 range. The give and take in this type of situation is, for the team they want their young player signed through his prime years(8) versus being a UFA in his prime(3-5). For the player, they will often take less to get a shorter deal at 6-7M knowing they can hit it big in 3-4 years. The funny part is, dealing with young players(21-24), adding years increases the AAV, while dealing with older players(28-35), it's the opposite... I think the team is using his own logic against him. He's saying give me 8/8 now as that's what i'll be through those last 4-5 years. The team is saying well if that's what you'll be then we'd rather give you 2-3 years around $6 mil now to see you prove it then we'll give you the $9-10 you'll deserve on the long term deal and you'll make more money in the long term and we both come out ahead. |
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Post by bois on Sept 13, 2018 10:40:02 GMT -4
Always thought Nylander would eventually be the guy moved
might happen sooner than later
I expect a bridge deal and eventually a trade
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Post by Beaver Banker on Sept 14, 2018 9:53:50 GMT -4
I agree 8 million a year to lock up one of the best young players feels like a fair deal to me. Players like this don’t come along everyday and to have him secured for 7 or 8 years is a bargain. Lock him up to be part of the core of this dynasty. We have tons of cap room might as well use it. Troll gonna troll. Unfortunately Mods are not gonna Mod until it goes too far. The mod thinks the worst part of this is the constant moaning. If you have an issue with this guy, then ignore him. The system lets you block him. Problem solved. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 14, 2018 11:28:37 GMT -4
Troll gonna troll. Unfortunately Mods are not gonna Mod until it goes too far. The mod thinks the worst part of this is the constant moaning. If you have an issue with this guy, then ignore him. The system lets you block him. Problem solved. 1 mod already blocked the guys account and removed him after his first trolling stunt. Clearly simply ignoring some people doesn't work and they should just be removed. That "lets not police anything and just ignore the ones you don't like" moderation policy is a dangerous line to walk. You're just telling the idiots to be louder and bolder and force mods to remove them. Why can't we just identify the idiots and remove them for the good of everyone else? It's not rocket science. But I also don't usually wander into the threads of teams I don't like to simply troll like a child. But I guess we can all just start doing that and ignore each other. Problem solved, apparently. Why is there such a fight to get people to moderate this place properly? It's amazing the road block the people with the ability to police this place start to put up the minute they're asked to utilize their moderation powers. Guess i'll just wait it out and wait until there's a really big blow up and get the mods who agree with me to clean everything up...like I've been seemingly doing for a couple of years here now. Trying to follow the normal procedures in place to report trolls or content that doesn't belong just seems to bring out the "stop whining" posts from mods who in reality should just be taking out the trash that experienced posters are reporting. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 14, 2018 11:32:47 GMT -4
And here yet again another example of how the trolls end up winning as the thread on page 3 deteriorates into a battle between mod and experienced poster of why mods won't mod vs simply removing the idiot and letting those of us who want to talk hockey normally dictate the discussions and forget the troll even existed.
But no. Lets actually empower the troll. That's solves the problem.
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Post by MikeC on Sept 14, 2018 19:42:19 GMT -4
Guess i'll just wait it out and wait until there's a really big blow up and get the mods who agree with me to clean everything up...like I've been seemingly doing for a couple of years here now. Maybe you feel this way because you've been one of the man contributors in basically every deteriorated thread in the last couple of years. Some might think the problem doesn't lie with all these other posters. |
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Post by caper93 on Sept 15, 2018 4:13:41 GMT -4
Anyone see the sick shootout goal by Matthews in practice yesterday. Pulled off the kutcherov move. Wish the season would just start already!
Go leafs go
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 17, 2018 15:36:16 GMT -4
Guess i'll just wait it out and wait until there's a really big blow up and get the mods who agree with me to clean everything up...like I've been seemingly doing for a couple of years here now. Maybe you feel this way because you've been one of the man contributors in basically every deteriorated thread in the last couple of years. Some might think the problem doesn't lie with all these other posters. So then where are my warning points? Or mods intervening in threads involving anyone else having a back and forth that goes too far? If everything just falls under the same category then through taking zero action against anyone mods have blurred the lines and everything is fair game and we can all troll our ways through rival threads. All this talk vs one of you just taking out the garbage and deleting a troll really says a lot about what to expect quality wise here. What is the point of a community having like a dozen moderators if not 1 of them is going to bother monitoring conversation(s) and deleting trolls? Especially ones that have already been deleted due to ruining threads already. Maybe we should all create second and third accounts and ruin threads of teams we don't cheer for. Apparently those who do it are not an issue and people like me are the real problem here. Meanwhile the stat drop downs at the top of this page are for the 14-15 season. Yeah...lazy moderating isn't a problem at all. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 20, 2018 13:08:04 GMT -4
Interesting way Babcock is handling camp so far basically having Tavares and Matthews lead each group and in the first 2 pre-season games they appeared to be in mid-season form....if you can take anything out of a pre-season game or 2 against a team like Ottawa right now.
Still very little of substance on Nylander. Lots of opinion and chatter but doesn't sound like much has been made in the way of progress.
A guy like Ennis is making the most of his opportunity so far though. He could be a key depth guy for only 650K.
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Post by caper93 on Sept 20, 2018 14:25:51 GMT -4
Interesting way Babcock is handling camp so far basically having Tavares and Matthews lead each group and in the first 2 pre-season games they appeared to be in mid-season form....if you can take anything out of a pre-season game or 2 against a team like Ottawa right now. Still very little of substance on Nylander. Lots of opinion and chatter but doesn't sound like much has been made in the way of progress. A guy like Ennis is making the most of his opportunity so far though. He could be a key depth guy for only 650K. Ennis could turn out to be one of the best free agent signings of the summer for how cheap they got him. Man can he ever skate and great hockey sense. Babcock has all the guys mid season form not just Tavares and matthews. Kadri and Marner have really impressed me. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 24, 2018 9:14:52 GMT -4
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Post by EagleFan2009 on Sept 24, 2018 14:53:35 GMT -4
Not really sure how dubas is going to pull this off. He knows he cant overpay him or hes so handcuffed next year he will be screwed. All i can think about is the marleau deal, if that deal never happened he would not be in this situation.. |
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Post by JEagle on Sept 24, 2018 15:01:18 GMT -4
Not really sure how dubas is going to pull this off. He knows he cant overpay him or hes so handcuffed next year he will be screwed. All i can think about is the marleau deal, if that deal never happened he would not be in this situation.. Wasn't the whole idea behind the Marleau contract that in the final year of it he magically ends up on Robidas Island? |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 24, 2018 15:31:31 GMT -4
Not really sure how dubas is going to pull this off. He knows he cant overpay him or hes so handcuffed next year he will be screwed. All i can think about is the marleau deal, if that deal never happened he would not be in this situation.. Marleau's deal has nothing to do with it. Nylander basically wants to be paid like a #1 C. He wants Johansen/Kuznetsov/Draisaitl type of money. 8+ mil for 7+ years. They're offering Ehlers and Pastrnak money. Between 6 and 6.7 million. They're playing hard ball because to them he's one of their biggest question marks in terms of off ice "where is his head at" questions. They have none of those fears or question marks about Matthews or Marner. Nylander was a headache just to get his ELC done. Nonis had to call Michael Nylander and tell him why William will never get his A B and C bonuses from any NHL team as an 8th overall pick. Because daddy was trying to drive the negotiations to max out his ELC. The same reasons Michael Nylander played for a new team every 2 years or so during his career is why the Leafs refuse to set a new precedent with William. They want him to prove he's that 2 way 80 point player before they pay him like it with 2 60 point seasons and no playoff success. So if he wants the long term deal then it's at a comparable Ehlers to Pastrnak level. With some inflation that's right around $7 mil per. It's not about managing the cap in terms of who they have and what they make today. It's about not locking yourself into an unmovable deal by setting a new precedent for a player you'd love to have but not ever at a deal that blows other comparable deals away. If you have 4 elite players combining for $40 million all carrying their weight then there's no issues cap wise as the cap will only keep going up for the next few years with more expansion on the horizon. But this is about proving to a Nylander that you'll be paid on that level when you reach it. Not before. It's not about any current deal stopping them from signing him. This is an organization that just 3-4 years ago had what people called unmovable anchors like Clarkson, Kessel, and Phaneuf. We can get out of deals if we need to do so. And does anyone see Marleau playing next season for $1 million? Better chance he's being paid by Arizona to sit home with an injury ala every other old guy in the NHL who had money left on a long term deal. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 24, 2018 15:37:34 GMT -4
Not really sure how dubas is going to pull this off. He knows he cant overpay him or hes so handcuffed next year he will be screwed. All i can think about is the marleau deal, if that deal never happened he would not be in this situation.. Wasn't the whole idea behind the Marleau contract that in the final year of it he magically ends up on Robidas Island? Basically. Unless he's still healthy and desperate for a last shot at the Cup it was designed as a 2 year deal. He's only making $1mil next season. Most guys in that spot don't play out that final year. |
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