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Post by hfxfan09 on Feb 23, 2019 23:10:55 GMT -4
Might as well give them Stone too complete our top line. I'm telling you guys Stone is gone before Monday I'm done with the Sens.
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Post by hfxfan09 on Feb 25, 2019 23:18:49 GMT -4
Done with the Sens our entire top line is gone as Stone is gone to Vegas, although with the young guys and the Prospects we got and all the picks hopefully we will be working our way up to the top again soon, 2 seasons in the basement is quiet enough. Although I'm still all for getting rid of Dorion/Boucher, Although what Do I care I can't even bring myself to watch this team anymore.
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Post by briansjnb on Feb 26, 2019 9:20:58 GMT -4
Can't bring myself to care about the team this year. Haven't watched a game nearly all season. Going to Ottawa in April and probably going to skip the season closer vs CBJ. The only reason I might change my mind is just to see Duchene and Dzingel.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 26, 2019 9:29:05 GMT -4
Almost every player who has left has essentially put the blame on Melnyk with comments about other owners being more committed to winning.
As long as he's there the exodus of talent as they approach their free agent pay days will continue.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 26, 2019 9:31:10 GMT -4
Done with the Sens our entire top line is gone as Stone is gone to Vegas, although with the young guys and the Prospects we got and all the picks hopefully we will be working our way up to the top again soon, 2 seasons in the basement is quiet enough. Although I'm still all for getting rid of Dorion/Boucher, Although what Do I care I can't even bring myself to watch this team anymore. After 2 seasons in the basement your only reward is Tkachuk and what you've acquired for the free agents. Listening to the talking heads talk about how they're 3-5 years away in that division was hilarious. Any team could be 3-5 years away. But when you watch that Buffalo/Toronto game and see where Tampa is in comparison...it makes 3-5 years away for Ottawa seem really hard to believe once you add in Florida, Montreal, and Boston as the main competition.
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Post by jimmy on Feb 26, 2019 9:37:18 GMT -4
Done with the Sens our entire top line is gone as Stone is gone to Vegas, although with the young guys and the Prospects we got and all the picks hopefully we will be working our way up to the top again soon, 2 seasons in the basement is quiet enough. Although I'm still all for getting rid of Dorion/Boucher, Although what Do I care I can't even bring myself to watch this team anymore. After 2 seasons in the basement your only reward is Tkachuk and what you've acquired for the free agents. Listening to the talking heads talk about how they're 3-5 years away in that division was hilarious. Any team could be 3-5 years away. But when you watch that Buffalo/Toronto game and see where Tampa is in comparison...it makes 3-5 years away for Ottawa seem really hard to believe once you add in Florida, Montreal, and Boston as the main competition. To preface - that organization is a gongshow ... mainly due to ownership. To be fair ... they have amassed a nice looking group of young talent ... they draft well, and seem to be doing a decent job of player development as well. But retaining vets and/or supplementing the team via free agents or even trades (you have to figure most players with any type of limited no trade protection has Ottawa on their list of spots they don't want to go) is in a bad spot ... even if the team was winning it is always going to be a market that has a tough time with that (small market, bad rink, high tax jurisdiction) - but for obvious reasons right now it is especially bad.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 26, 2019 9:47:30 GMT -4
After 2 seasons in the basement your only reward is Tkachuk and what you've acquired for the free agents. Listening to the talking heads talk about how they're 3-5 years away in that division was hilarious. Any team could be 3-5 years away. But when you watch that Buffalo/Toronto game and see where Tampa is in comparison...it makes 3-5 years away for Ottawa seem really hard to believe once you add in Florida, Montreal, and Boston as the main competition. To preface - that organization is a gongshow ... mainly due to ownership. To be fair ... they have amassed a nice looking group of young talent ... they draft well, and seem to be doing a decent job of player development as well. But retaining vets and/or supplementing the team via free agents or even trades (you have to figure most players with any type of limited no trade protection has Ottawa on their list of spots they don't want to go) is in a bad spot ... even if the team was winning it is always going to be a market that has a tough time with that (small market, bad rink, high tax jurisdiction) - but for obvious reasons right now it is especially bad. They're now the Edmonton of the East in terms of how the team is viewed by NHL players. And the youth will not develop into what they should without some guidance of real pro's along the way. That's a reason losing Stone was such a blow as he was the ideal candidate to captain those young guys for the next few years.
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Post by bois on Feb 26, 2019 9:59:55 GMT -4
It's bad right now no question..... but teams have turned it around from far worse in the past.... and top players exiting Ottawa is not exactly anything new..... it's pretty much happened with virtually every top player they've ever had.... has anyone actually stayed and retired a Sen?
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Post by BigTwig on Feb 26, 2019 16:25:40 GMT -4
So with Stone gone, who is the true leader? Mark Borowiecki is up there, Zach Smith, J-G Pageau, and Thomas Chabotvare about the only others I can think of for a leadership group. Maybe Melnyk will go the Jackie Moon route and be player, coach, gm, and owner tobsave money.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 26, 2019 16:30:42 GMT -4
It's bad right now no question..... but teams have turned it around from far worse in the past.... and top players exiting Ottawa is not exactly anything new..... it's pretty much happened with virtually every top player they've ever had.... has anyone actually stayed and retired a Sen? Alfredsson didn't retire there but he stayed and took them to a final. That's as close as you'll find to a born and bred and retired former Sens player I think. But it's not even about retiring there. It's about playing there in your prime once you finally get the choice to pick where you want to play. And you're right in that they'll never rid themselves of all of that as it's many issues coming together to push the players out. But I think if stable ownership and direction were a part of the process there then players would be more accepting of buying into their plan. They tried selling pending UFA's on re-signing because they'll spend to the cap in 3 years.
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Post by BigTwig on Feb 26, 2019 18:25:18 GMT -4
It's bad right now no question..... but teams have turned it around from far worse in the past.... and top players exiting Ottawa is not exactly anything new..... it's pretty much happened with virtually every top player they've ever had.... has anyone actually stayed and retired a Sen? Alfredsson didn't retire there but he stayed and took them to a final. That's as close as you'll find to a born and bred and retired former Sens player I think. But it's not even about retiring there. It's about playing there in your prime once you finally get the choice to pick where you want to play. And you're right in that they'll never rid themselves of all of that as it's many issues coming together to push the players out. But I think if stable ownership and direction were a part of the process there then players would be more accepting of buying into their plan. They tried selling pending UFA's on re-signing because they'll spend to the cap in 3 years. Chris Neil and Chris Phillips are the only two that come to mind ofguys who never left
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Post by hal on Mar 1, 2019 11:16:59 GMT -4
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Post by Jack Bauer on Mar 1, 2019 11:27:51 GMT -4
Pierre Dorion on Monday: “Guy is our coach. I don’t think anyone will disagree with me on this one that I’ve probably made his job pretty difficult the last few weeks, and we’re going to support him.”
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Post by hal on Mar 1, 2019 11:31:20 GMT -4
Pierre Dorion on Monday: “Guy is our coach. I don’t think anyone will disagree with me on this one that I’ve probably made his job pretty difficult the last few weeks, and we’re going to support him.” Maybe a tactic to take some heat off of Melnyk and "HIS" blowing the Downtown Arena Deal ?
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Post by bois on Mar 1, 2019 13:20:23 GMT -4
Makes no sense to fire the coach right now
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