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Post by dogsfan1978 on Jul 1, 2019 17:42:56 GMT -4
If Montreal was really serious about signing him they would’ve gone closer to 10 million. But they stayed just under the comp level for 4 1st rounders. You can’t have multiple offers out at once so Carolina probably waits the full 7 days to match. Matching immediately helps Montreal. The next level would’ve been 2 first round picks, a second round and a third round. Aho is good but I don’t think he’s a 10.5 million dollar a year player.
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Post by zombieregdunlop on Jul 1, 2019 18:12:16 GMT -4
Can’t imagine canes don’t match But here’s to hoping The issue is, Dundonald is in deep financial trouble and it would cost him 21M over the next 12 months. Dude is a billionaire. He pladged 250 million to that football league, but that was a 10 year commitment and he shut it down after a 55 million dollar cash infusion (plus 13 million in debt). And he'll get some of that back in bankruptcy court because he filed a lawsuit for misrepresentation. I'm a Habs fan. I don't want them to match. But what do you define as deep financial troubles?
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 1, 2019 21:39:22 GMT -4
If Montreal was really serious about signing him they would’ve gone closer to 10 million. But they stayed just under the comp level for 4 1st rounders. You can’t have multiple offers out at once so Carolina probably waits the full 7 days to match. Matching immediately helps Montreal. The next level would’ve been 2 first round picks, a second round and a third round. Aho is good but I don’t think he’s a 10.5 million dollar a year player. Plus the pressure point was cash up front, not the cap hit...adding more salary later on would not have helped Montreal's chances much.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 1, 2019 21:40:11 GMT -4
The issue is, Dundonald is in deep financial trouble and it would cost him 21M over the next 12 months. Dude is a billionaire. He pladged 250 million to that football league, but that was a 10 year commitment and he shut it down after a 55 million dollar cash infusion (plus 13 million in debt). And he'll get some of that back in bankruptcy court because he filed a lawsuit for misrepresentation. I'm a Habs fan. I don't want them to match. But what do you define as deep financial troubles? There was talk today that they laid off some people and others left the canes because he was cheap.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 2, 2019 9:53:26 GMT -4
Habs cap math…
Say they want to add a forward and a d-man:
Currently have 11.8 in cap room with 23 players(3-8-12) signed.
Lindgren(AHL or trade) 750k Juulsen(AHL) 863k Weise Peca and Alzner(AHL) 1,075x 3=2.225M
You have 18 NHL players signed and 16.6M available.
Lehkonen and Armia are RFA’s(assume around 2.5M each for a total cap hit of 5M).
20 players and 11.1M free.
If Aho contract is not matched, that leaves 2.6M free, so more likely a “hockey trade” to add a d-man or sign Hutton.
If Aho contract is matched, they can basically add two 5M players with nobody out.
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Post by bois on Jul 2, 2019 12:04:44 GMT -4
the risk is by the time Carolina decides to match or not match the offer sheet..... the guys Montreal might have real interest in will be signed elsewhere
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Post by bois on Jul 2, 2019 12:51:57 GMT -4
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 2, 2019 13:03:22 GMT -4
the risk is by the time Carolina decides to match or not match the offer sheet..... the guys Montreal might have real interest in will be signed elsewhere The only 5+M guys left are Gardiner(back is likely the question mark) and Dzingel. I think the Habs end up making a couple of moves...one for a LHD(Leddy Ghost Bodie Gardiner Hutton Kronwall) and a potential top 6 forward or cap dump(clarkson? Gagner?).
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Post by Catman on Jul 2, 2019 14:21:57 GMT -4
the risk is by the time Carolina decides to match or not match the offer sheet..... the guys Montreal might have real interest in will be signed elsewhere The only 5+M guys left are Gardiner(back is likely the question mark) and Dzingel. I think the Habs end up making a couple of moves...one for a LHD(Leddy Ghost Bodie Gardiner Hutton Kronwall) and a potential top 6 forward or cap dump(clarkson? Gagner?). The VGK are having a hard time locking up Gusev and said they might have to consider trade options. I wonder if he would be a good fit for the Habs. The guy was the top scorer in the KHL last season.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 2, 2019 15:02:22 GMT -4
The only 5+M guys left are Gardiner(back is likely the question mark) and Dzingel. I think the Habs end up making a couple of moves...one for a LHD(Leddy Ghost Bodie Gardiner Hutton Kronwall) and a potential top 6 forward or cap dump(clarkson? Gagner?). The VGK are having a hard time locking up Gusev and said they might have to consider trade options. I wonder if he would be a good fit for the Habs. The guy was the top scorer in the KHL last season. The history of guys coming from the KHL is all over the map, some guys come and make a big impact(Panarin Radulov etc) and others flop(Shipachyov Nishkishin). Most are in the middle like Zaitsev Dadonov etc I would go as high as a 3rd and a 5th...not sure if that gets it done...
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Post by bois on Jul 3, 2019 10:03:11 GMT -4
so is this Bergevin's worst early summer off season as GM?
you clear out cap space you already had to be an active player in the free agent frenzy market
you sign a minor leaguer and a backup goalie.... and put together an offer sheet that doesn't come close to forcing Carolina's hand
meanwhile every possible target to add scoring is signed elsewhere....
now you're sitting with even more capspace you haven't used the last 2 years effectively..... and egg on your face hoping somebody will be desperate and trade you what you need if you'll take on a dead contract with it?
lots of time to redeem yourself but your not in any of your colleague's good books right now....... the free agent market is extremely dried up.....
at least you have 30 picks to make in front of your hostile home crowd next June i guess
they should have made a better offer sheet..... or targetted Point instead.......
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Post by moosefan1994 on Jul 3, 2019 10:16:22 GMT -4
so is this Bergevin's worst early summer off season as GM? you clear out cap space you already had to be an active player in the free agent frenzy market you sign a minor leaguer and a backup goalie.... and put together an offer sheet that doesn't come close to forcing Carolina's hand meanwhile every possible target to add scoring is signed elsewhere.... now you're sitting with even more capspace you haven't used the last 2 years effectively..... and egg on your face hoping somebody will be desperate and trade you what you need if you'll take on a dead contract with it? lots of time to redeem yourself but your not in any of your colleague's good books right now....... the free agent market is extremely dried up..... at least you have 30 picks to make in front of your hostile home crowd next June i guess they should have made a better offer sheet..... or targetted Point instead....... If the Habs miss the playoffs again and Molson still doesn't fire Bergevin then you know where the real problem is located. I am strongly considering going to the draft next year in Montreal to 1) hopefully see Barron get drafted in the 1st round and 2) have a big bag of popcorn and sit back and see the spectacle when Bergevin is still there. I will give him some credit as there is obviously a build through the draft theme going on now and there is finally a nucleus of young players starting to form. But impatience is growing even among those who made excuses for Bergevin for years. I think the Aho offer sheet was done just to show the fan base that at least they tried.
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Post by hal on Jul 3, 2019 10:57:15 GMT -4
so is this Bergevin's worst early summer off season as GM? you clear out cap space you already had to be an active player in the free agent frenzy market you sign a minor leaguer and a backup goalie.... and put together an offer sheet that doesn't come close to forcing Carolina's hand meanwhile every possible target to add scoring is signed elsewhere.... now you're sitting with even more capspace you haven't used the last 2 years effectively..... and egg on your face hoping somebody will be desperate and trade you what you need if you'll take on a dead contract with it? lots of time to redeem yourself but your not in any of your colleague's good books right now....... the free agent market is extremely dried up..... at least you have 30 picks to make in front of your hostile home crowd next June i guess they should have made a better offer sheet..... or targetted Point instead....... If the Habs miss the playoffs again and Molson still doesn't fire Bergevin then you know where the real problem is located. I am strongly considering going to the draft next year in Montreal to 1) hopefully see Barron get drafted in the 1st round and 2) have a big bag of popcorn and sit back and see the spectacle when Bergevin is still there. I will give him some credit as there is obviously a build through the draft theme going on now and there is finally a nucleus of young players starting to form. But impatience is growing even among those who made excuses for Bergevin for years. I think the Aho offer sheet was done just to show the fan base that at least they tried. Agree about the Aho Offer but the problem is that ......this Moron is in his second rebuild ......and Bergevin also !
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 3, 2019 11:28:08 GMT -4
so is this Bergevin's worst early summer off season as GM? you clear out cap space you already had to be an active player in the free agent frenzy market you sign a minor leaguer and a backup goalie.... and put together an offer sheet that doesn't come close to forcing Carolina's hand meanwhile every possible target to add scoring is signed elsewhere.... now you're sitting with even more capspace you haven't used the last 2 years effectively..... and egg on your face hoping somebody will be desperate and trade you what you need if you'll take on a dead contract with it? lots of time to redeem yourself but your not in any of your colleague's good books right now....... the free agent market is extremely dried up..... at least you have 30 picks to make in front of your hostile home crowd next June i guess they should have made a better offer sheet..... or targetted Point instead....... So you'd rather see him pay ridiculous money to a Duchene or Panarin? The only negative is, he's pissed off some GM's for sure. It was worth a try, they obviously had inside info on Dundon's finances. We have no idea how close or not it came. Carolina talks a good game on TV but that’s just PR. They obviously won’t come out and say…ouf, we almost let him walk because of all the up front cash… I find it comical that people were railing for a rebuild for years, now they do one and people complain that MB isn’t signing terrible contracts as a short cut. The group of 25 and under in the organisation is the best the Habs have had since the mid 80’s. Domi(23) Drouin(23) Danault(25) JKK(19) Mete(20) in the NHL Juulsen(21) Poehling(20) Suzuki(20) Brook(20) Fleury(21) Primeau(20) Evans(22) arriving soon Also 10 picks in 2019, 11 in 2018 plus 12 coming in 2020. I’d rather not sign big UFA’s than give them ridiculous money and be trying to buy them out in 1 or 2 years while trying to extend young players. I would have liked Lee but at 7M x 7 he could be Andrew Ladd in 3-4 years. I prefer the slow and steady approach, last year the team got younger AND better.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 3, 2019 11:29:32 GMT -4
so is this Bergevin's worst early summer off season as GM? you clear out cap space you already had to be an active player in the free agent frenzy market you sign a minor leaguer and a backup goalie.... and put together an offer sheet that doesn't come close to forcing Carolina's hand meanwhile every possible target to add scoring is signed elsewhere.... now you're sitting with even more capspace you haven't used the last 2 years effectively..... and egg on your face hoping somebody will be desperate and trade you what you need if you'll take on a dead contract with it? lots of time to redeem yourself but your not in any of your colleague's good books right now....... the free agent market is extremely dried up..... at least you have 30 picks to make in front of your hostile home crowd next June i guess they should have made a better offer sheet..... or targetted Point instead....... If the Habs miss the playoffs again and Molson still doesn't fire Bergevin then you know where the real problem is located. I am strongly considering going to the draft next year in Montreal to 1) hopefully see Barron get drafted in the 1st round and 2) have a big bag of popcorn and sit back and see the spectacle when Bergevin is still there. I will give him some credit as there is obviously a build through the draft theme going on now and there is finally a nucleus of young players starting to form. But impatience is growing even among those who made excuses for Bergevin for years. I think the Aho offer sheet was done just to show the fan base that at least they tried. What is it you want? To build through the draft or a patchwork team to sneak in the playoffs? I'm sure Molson is on board with the rebuild, otherwise MB would have not done it. It's that simple. 1 step back to take two forward.
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