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Post by Mika on Nov 11, 2019 23:58:26 GMT -4
It's an opinion that when vocalized can reflect really poorly on a business. He was wrong to only target immigrants when many born and raised in Canada don't wear poppies.
Rogers was within their rights to fire him for what he said. It's hard to promote your brand when one of your stars is alienating and bashing potential clientele.
And rather than vilifying the immigrants that don't wear one for not wearing one, take the time to explain the significance. They just may not understand.
I totally get what he was trying to say, but he really took the wrong road with it.
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Post by scotiahockey on Nov 12, 2019 0:06:17 GMT -4
It's an opinion that when vocalized can reflect really poorly on a business. He was wrong to only target immigrants when many born and raised in Canada don't wear poppies. Rogers was within their rights to fire him for what he said. It's hard to promote your brand when one of your stars is alienating and bashing potential clientele. And rather than vilifying the immigrants that don't wear one for not wearing one, take the time to explain the significance. They just may not understand. I totally get what he was trying to say, but he really took the wrong road with it. Exactly, it’s not so much about what was said and instead how he said it. If it was delivered in a different way, then the message is portrayed differently and maybe gets understood better.
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Post by Mika on Nov 12, 2019 1:29:49 GMT -4
It's an opinion that when vocalized can reflect really poorly on a business. He was wrong to only target immigrants when many born and raised in Canada don't wear poppies. Rogers was within their rights to fire him for what he said. It's hard to promote your brand when one of your stars is alienating and bashing potential clientele. And rather than vilifying the immigrants that don't wear one for not wearing one, take the time to explain the significance. They just may not understand. I totally get what he was trying to say, but he really took the wrong road with it. Exactly, it’s not so much about what was said and instead how he said it. If it was delivered in a different way, then the message is portrayed differently and maybe gets understood better. And in the end, I'd rather someone wear one because they chose to, not because someone shamed them into doing so.
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Post by jimmy on Nov 12, 2019 5:59:19 GMT -4
End of day, the suits at Sportsnet have been looking for a way to move on from him for a while, and he gave it to them. The first intermission of a hockey game is not the place for a political rant, regardless of the view. Talk about the game, what is going on around the league - when I tune into a hockey game it is not to listen to a political editorial.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 12, 2019 10:25:43 GMT -4
He said a stupid and ignorant thing and was punished for it.
He uses different words and a different tone and the meaning might have hit home for what he intended.
Do I think he meant is nearly as harshly as he said it? No. But you can't change that soundbite after the fact.
Not sure why some are finding it such a tough thing to grasp. We need to be attracting all Canadians to our sport not continue to let people like Cherry alienate them with his comments.
And on the media side almost 100% of those supporting him are the right wing nut jobs who simply thrive off of poking the political center/left with their out of touch views of reality. Hell, you can say that here for posters in this thread.
When shit bags like Faith Goldy are backing your cause it's hard to try and claim any moral high ground.
I blame the people at Rogers who kept putting an out of touch 80+ year old man with no filter on live TV every Saturday night. Everyone has seen this coming for a decade or more based on Cherry's laundry list of offensive comments over the years.
This wasn't a 1 off. And he admits he wasn't going to change at all. So there was no choice left but to get rid of him.
He probably saves face by getting ahead of this all on Sunday but he decided to double down on his right to be an idiot and like all his rants he was off base on he let it slide and this one finally caught up to him.
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Post by L'il Boy on Nov 12, 2019 10:26:24 GMT -4
“Cancel Culture” and political correctness claim another victim. Rogers is a joke , they are scared of losing advertising dollars because of a remark but have no problem whatsoever taking money from Huawei, a Chinese company run by China that is stealing intellectual property everywhere it goes not to mention run by a regime that is shooting unarmed protesters in Hong Kong and running actual concentration camps in Western China. Oh and Huawei also does business with Iran, that is why their crooked CFO got arrested in BC and subsequently two Canadians are being held in retaliation by that fascist country. It is pretty bad when a sportscaster is held to a higher standard than our Prime Minister- Rogers is a joke and Canada is as well for that matter. And yet here you are still.......
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 12, 2019 10:39:01 GMT -4
My personal opinion is, Cherry has not been relevant in today’s game for 10-15 years, aside from the racist comments, he is way out of touch with how today’s game is played.
I applaud him for supporting the military, but being a proud Canadian doesn’t just mean one province or one “type” of Canadian, it implies everything the country stands for. The minute you start using an “us” and “them” approach to patriotism, then you are no longer a patriot. There are people of all colours and sexes that put their lives on the line for the country, being white and of Irish descent doesn’t make it a bigger sacrifice.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 12, 2019 10:46:26 GMT -4
Obviously you don't realize the connection between Cherry and The Military .....I understand ...believe me I understand it fully ....so to say the day of his firing is irrelevant .... is wrong .....trust me ...it's wrong . There are a lot of upset people in our Legion's right now ....Coast to Coast . I very much do realize the connection between Cherry and The Military, I also very much fully understand it. There may be upset people in our legions but would they be any less upset if it happened tomorrow or happened yesterday? I’m not sure.. I think people would be upset either way. Rightfully so to some degree but I just don’t agree that doing it today is any more significant then if they did it another day. I agree with this, but when you start painting those with a difference colored face as you or different language as you as not being as “Canadian” then you are attacking the very thing the military is out there fighting for. There are a lot of francophones and non whites in the military, their sacrifice and dedication is no less than those of the white English speaking soldiers. There is a parallel from when he used to attack Europeans for being soft and lesser players, there is a level of racism there also.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 12, 2019 10:47:47 GMT -4
It's an opinion that when vocalized can reflect really poorly on a business. He was wrong to only target immigrants when many born and raised in Canada don't wear poppies. Rogers was within their rights to fire him for what he said. It's hard to promote your brand when one of your stars is alienating and bashing potential clientele. And rather than vilifying the immigrants that don't wear one for not wearing one, take the time to explain the significance. They just may not understand. I totally get what he was trying to say, but he really took the wrong road with it. This is very well put together.
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Post by SteveUL on Nov 12, 2019 11:37:17 GMT -4
My personal opinion is, Cherry has not been relevant in today’s game for 10-15 years, aside from the racist comments, he is way out of touch with how today’s game is played. I applaud him for supporting the military, but being a proud Canadian doesn’t just mean one province or one “type” of Canadian, it implies everything the country stands for. The minute you start using an “us” and “them” approach to patriotism, then you are no longer a patriot. There are people of all colours and sexes that put their lives on the line for the country, being white and of Irish descent doesn’t make it a bigger sacrifice. I don't support Cherry and I am not a fan of his weekly ranting. I stopped watching HNIC years ago when Rogers took over. Rogers made NHL hockey boring. But lets just be clear ... Don Cherry did not target anybody that fought for their country. He is specifically targeting those that don't openly support or show respect for those that fought for their country. Even Jagmeet Singh took his words way out of context by showing a photo of his Great Grandfather who served in WWI and WWII. Cherry is asking for a show of respect for veterans like Jagmeet Singh's Great Grandfather and everybody's Grandfather and Great Grandfather that served. Cherry definitely did cross the line in the delivery of his message ... but lets not skew the line into something that he did not say. Some people do wear poppies but for whatever reason they aren't wearing it when you see them. At our Sunday game here in Moncton I attended the pre-game remembrance day ceremony. When I left the house I had my poppy on, but when I got into the rink I had no poppy on. I found it after the game sitting beside my car, pulled off by the seatbelt of course. I was quite embarassed that I did not have my poppy on for the pre-game ceremony.
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Post by hal on Nov 12, 2019 12:58:21 GMT -4
What's everyone's take on Ron MacLean's actions ?.....Words ?
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 12, 2019 14:13:02 GMT -4
What's everyone's take on Ron MacLean's actions ?.....Words ? I find MacLean is the anti-Cherry on TV but on Saturday he was asleep at the switch, then apologised for it. I find him a little too “politically correct” not sure if that’s him or just his role. Will be interesting to see what they do with the segment, Brian Burke is an obvious option, he is quite opinionated but his views are more adapted to the times.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 12, 2019 14:30:12 GMT -4
interesting thread...
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Post by scotiahockey on Nov 12, 2019 15:13:33 GMT -4
What's everyone's take on Ron MacLean's actions ?.....Words ? I can see why he wouldn’t speak up in the moment, I assume he didn’t know what was being said and it’s an awkward/difficult moment to speak up in when on air, with a colleague and I assume friend of roughly 30 years. I’m not sure what Ron could have done differently in that moment, it feels like one of those things that you may not realize how bad it sounded in the moment but once it’s over and you can analyze it, you realize how differently you could have handled it. I don’t like him back tracking though and essentially firing a friend under the bus the next day to save his job/take the heat off of himself. I have no issues with an apology but it felt very forced and almost cowardly, to throw a friend under the bus like that when you do it.
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Nov 12, 2019 16:10:42 GMT -4
To expand the market reach of Roger's having Cherry didnt make sense in fact it was counterintuitive. The followers of Cherry consume the game and always will.
It's no coincidence Kypreos and Doug MacLean were let go earlier. The population shift in Canada makes there a market to tap into. Fans that prefer soccer or basketball includes younger audiences and newcomers to Canada where the NHL product is not engrained. They never appeal to that big piece of the country with Cherry in tow.
Roger's paid 5.5 billion $ on the property. While NHL is tapping world markets there is opportunity right under Roger's noses so they are moving out the old stalwarts anyway.
Cherry made it really easy for them to walk out from under his contract with them.
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