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Post by bois on Dec 28, 2020 15:21:34 GMT -4
Another solid signing corey perry for one year league minimum .... really liking the skill being added to the bottom of the lineup for a change.... no more dale weise or jordan weal or nate thompson type adds
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Post by Score on Dec 28, 2020 16:54:53 GMT -4
Another solid signing corey perry for one year league minimum .... really liking the skill being added to the bottom of the lineup for a change.... no more dale weise or jordan weal or nate thompson type adds Yes....great addition! With the additions this team has made, it blows my mind that some people still don't see them atop the Canadian Division. Unless they completely flop....or turn on the coach...I cant see them not winning the division.
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Post by hal on Dec 28, 2020 18:10:43 GMT -4
Another solid signing corey perry for one year league minimum .... really liking the skill being added to the bottom of the lineup for a change.... no more dale weise or jordan weal or nate thompson type adds Yes....great addition! With the additions this team has made, it blows my mind that some people still don't see them atop the Canadian Division. Unless they completely flop....or turn on the coach...I cant see them not winning the division. Nope ....don't agree . As a Habs Fan I just see Toronto and Calgary having made better key additions to already stronger Teams than Montreal . Montreal will be better .....but putting them at the Top of the Canadian Ladder is too much ....too soon .Your Post comes across as you almost feel like ...........Corey Perry just put us Over the Top .
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 29, 2020 8:17:03 GMT -4
Yes....great addition! With the additions this team has made, it blows my mind that some people still don't see them atop the Canadian Division. Unless they completely flop....or turn on the coach...I cant see them not winning the division. Nope ....don't agree . As a Habs Fan I just see Toronto and Calgary having made better key additions to already stronger Teams than Montreal . Montreal will be better .....but putting them at the Top of the Canadian Ladder is too much ....too soon .Your Post comes across as you almost feel like ...........Corey Perry just put us Over the Top . What key additions did Calgary and Toronto make to put them over the top? Toronto has strong star power on offense, but the depth and overall defensive play is poor, that has not changed. They have added guys whom most think should retire as 3rd or 4th liners...Thornton Simmonds and Spezza, none are remotely close to their prime. Brodie is better defensively than Barrie but not as good on offense, he's lost a step if not two. Bogosian was waved by Buffalo last year. Vesey is a guy multiple teams have given up on. The guys that left(Barrie Johnsson Kapanen) are better than what they added overall. Calgary upgraded in nets but still doesn't have much depth up front, Their D which used to be a strength is now subpar with Giordano having lost a step if not two. Harmonic Brodie are gone. The rest has potential but quite young/unproven.
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Post by bois on Dec 29, 2020 12:20:06 GMT -4
yeah i'm trying to figure out what Calgary added..... have to confess i don't recall any significant moves but they arent my team and its been so long ... someone fill me in
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 29, 2020 12:45:44 GMT -4
yeah i'm trying to figure out what Calgary added..... have to confess i don't recall any significant moves but they arent my team and its been so long ... someone fill me in added Markstrom Tanev Lost Talbot Brodie Hamonic Pretty much a wash, Markstrom should be a bit better than Talbot but the numbers are about the same with Markstrom more consistent. They lost a bit of depth on D. they were on pace for 92 pts in the weakest division in the NHL.
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Post by hal on Dec 29, 2020 13:19:43 GMT -4
I just think that a lot of people forget that Montreal got into the Bubble Playoffs on a technicality . They made the " most " changes outside of Ottawa to their Roster of the Canadian Division Teams but they were outside of Ottawa the worst Canadian Team when the Previous Season ended . Calgary's Achilles Heel has been Goaltending since Kiprusoff left , so they got the Best Free Agent Goalie Markstrom and Toronto upraded their Defence and added some toughness and experience with the additions of Brodie , Simmonds , Bogosian and Thornton . Montreal upgraded with Anderson , Toffoli , Edmundson , Frolik ....I am a little less excited about Allen and Perry . Score's Post stated that he has them as the Best Canadian Team and the Favourites to win the Division . Hell .....I hope he's right but I just tried to be honest...not biased .
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 29, 2020 14:20:52 GMT -4
I just think that a lot of people forget that Montreal got into the Bubble Playoffs on a technicality . They made the " most " changes outside of Ottawa to their Roster of the Canadian Division Teams but they were outside of Ottawa the worst Canadian Team when the Previous Season ended . Calgary's Achilles Heel has been Goaltending since Kiprusoff left , so they got the Best Free Agent Goalie Markstrom and Toronto upraded their Defence and added some toughness and experience with the additions of Brodie , Simmonds , Bogosian and Thornton . Montreal upgraded with Anderson , Toffoli , Edmundson , Frolik ....I am a little less excited about Allen and Perry . Score's Post stated that he has them as the Best Canadian Team and the Favourites to win the Division . Hell .....I hope he's right but I just tried to be honest...not biased . I agree with you in regards to last year, on the flip side, pretty much the same roster in 18-19 they had 96 points. I think those two long losing streaks killed their season as well as losing 6 to Detroit. I think what the bubble showed is that they could compete with anybody when they played a tighter style instead of the run and gun looser game they played during the RS. I think the off season they filled pretty much every hole they had and more. Allen is a big upgrade on Lindgren plus he likely makes Price better by playing less. Edmundson makes their D deeper, as does Romanov. That's a huge upgrade on the 3rd pair of Mete-Ouellet they had vs Pit and Phil. Mete drops to 7 and Ouellet to 8 or 9. Anderson and Toffoli add a lot of size and skill. Gives them 3 offensive lines, deeper than any Canadian team. Perry and Frolik add spare parts with a lot of experience, size and edge. The one position that they may have concerns is at center, is JKK the player he was in the bubble or during the RS. Is Evans ready for a regular role. I could see them bringing in a guy like Boyle, was hoping for Brassard. Toronto's issue is depth and having a team that doesn't play well without the puck. Their off season changes make them thinner offensively(Barrie Kapanen Johnsson out and Brodie Thornton Bogosian Simmonds in). Brodie is an older slower, slightly better defensive version of Barrie, his numbers have dipped the last 2-3 years, he can still move the puck but won't be an elite shutdown guy. Thornton at this point is a 4th line guy on a contender, not a core guy, same for Simmonds. Bogosian is a 3rd pair guy who needs insulated minutes. Best case they are where they were last year in a weaker division. 65-68 point team.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 30, 2020 8:27:39 GMT -4
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 30, 2020 16:34:47 GMT -4
Thornton at this point is a 4th line guy on a contender, not a core guy, same for Simmonds. Bogosian is a 3rd pair guy who needs insulated minutes. Thornton was signed to the league minimum to play on the 4th line for Toronto. You're basically arguing that Toronto IS a contender with this as those players were all signed to play those roles or at best be in the mix with several others including recent high picks for slightly higher roles (4th D vs 5th, 3rd line RW vs 4th, etc) I think how the division goes all depends on health. A team loses 3-4 key guys for a homestand and that's the difference between top 2 in the division and bottom 2 in my opinion because all the teams have huge flaws and only 1 is really a clear tier below the rest. Montreal lacks the high end offense and offensive game breakers Toronto has. Toronto lacks the defensive structure and game breakers in that area that Montreal has. Ottawa has a ton of high end youth and are probably the weakest. Out west they're all close and outside Winnipeg are all basically hoping their goalie situations pan out. Winnipeg doesn't have the D depth it did a couple years back but they can score and have goaltending. Calgary has a new goalie but they also have depth issues. Vancouver has high end youth but is banking on a new goalie tandem. Edmonton has the best 2 players in the league and the worst group of bottom end guys. There's no perfect team in Canada. Should make for a wild ride.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 30, 2020 16:46:10 GMT -4
Thornton at this point is a 4th line guy on a contender, not a core guy, same for Simmonds. Bogosian is a 3rd pair guy who needs insulated minutes. Thornton was signed to the league minimum to play on the 4th line for Toronto. You're basically arguing that Toronto IS a contender with this as those players were all signed to play those roles or at best be in the mix with several others including recent high picks for slightly higher roles (4th D vs 5th, 3rd line RW vs 4th, etc) I think how the division goes all depends on health. A team loses 3-4 key guys for a homestand and that's the difference between top 2 in the division and bottom 2 in my opinion because all the teams have huge flaws and only 1 is really a clear tier below the rest. Montreal lacks the high end offense and offensive game breakers Toronto has. Toronto lacks the defensive structure and game breakers in that area that Montreal has. Ottawa has a ton of high end youth and are probably the weakest. Out west they're all close and outside Winnipeg are all basically hoping their goalie situations pan out. Winnipeg doesn't have the D depth it did a couple years back but they can score and have goaltending. Calgary has a new goalie but they also have depth issues. Vancouver has high end youth but is banking on a new goalie tandem. Edmonton has the best 2 players in the league and the worst group of bottom end guys. There's no perfect team in Canada. Should make for a wild ride. As I said, the issue in Toronto is that they don't play defense, too many one way players, that's why they were a fringe playoff team in 19-20(94 point pace), that didn't change in 2021. They have to win a lot of 5-4 and 4-3 games which they could not do last year on nights where their 4-5 top guys were shut down. A big team that can make it hard to get in the middle can shut them down. IMO they don't have the defensive structure or commitment to beat teams 2-1. Because this division is weaker than the Atlantic I don't see them lower than 2 but their style doesn't fit playoff hockey depending on who they play.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 31, 2020 9:00:46 GMT -4
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 5, 2021 8:43:32 GMT -4
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Post by bois on Jan 11, 2021 15:01:36 GMT -4
Noah Juulsen lost to waivers.... claimed by Florida
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 11, 2021 15:20:00 GMT -4
Noah Juulsen lost to waivers.... claimed by Florida Tough spot for the team and the kid, he's barely played in 2 years. He was 8-10 on the depth chart and needed AHL games. Will be interesting to see if Florida keeps him all year. It's a really strange spot, they have 6 veteran D and 4 are righties. Not an ideal situation if he has to sit.
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