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Post by hal on May 20, 2021 10:22:04 GMT -4
Leafs in 5 ...........Bergevin gets fired and it will all be worth it .
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Post by cb67 on May 20, 2021 20:01:30 GMT -4
And just like that Tavares is gone .
This looks brutal
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Post by hal on May 20, 2021 22:26:40 GMT -4
Hope Taveras is OK . Not a Leaf Fan but always liked Taveras....Classy Guy .
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Post by Captain Obvious on May 21, 2021 7:34:54 GMT -4
Hope Taveras is OK . Not a Leaf Fan but always liked Taveras....Classy Guy . It did not look good, pretty much every player on both teams was stunned. Hopefully it's nothing serious. I thought the staged fight after was beyond ridiculous. Pretty obvious to anybody with half a brain that he fell into Perry's legs and Perry tried to jump and avoid him. |
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Post by bois on May 21, 2021 7:58:34 GMT -4
scary scene but entirely accidental
put a bit of a damper on the night for sure
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Post by scotiahockey on May 21, 2021 10:00:03 GMT -4
Hope Taveras is OK . Not a Leaf Fan but always liked Taveras....Classy Guy . It did not look good, pretty much every player on both teams was stunned. Hopefully it's nothing serious. I thought the staged fight after was beyond ridiculous. Pretty obvious to anybody with half a brain that he fell into Perry's legs and Perry tried to jump and avoid him. I think the fight was unnecessary but I also don’t know if I’d called it staged. Sure we knew it was coming but you get in the heat of the moment, you see your Captain go down on a play, I think it was an accident but who knows what angles they saw it at and you could maybe think it was intentional. Perry isn’t going to get the benefit of the doubt from guys. Emotions run high in those situations. If you’re the Leafs though, you have to be encouraged that Foligno would do that because let’s face it, the last few years there was nobody on the team that would even make that challenge. It shows a bit of grit and heart that they haven’t had in the past. It was a silly fight but he actually was willing to stand up for his teammates, Perry took it and was just hanging on by never throwing a punch. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on May 21, 2021 10:34:41 GMT -4
It did not look good, pretty much every player on both teams was stunned. Hopefully it's nothing serious. I thought the staged fight after was beyond ridiculous. Pretty obvious to anybody with half a brain that he fell into Perry's legs and Perry tried to jump and avoid him. I think the fight was unnecessary but I also don’t know if I’d called it staged. Sure we knew it was coming but you get in the heat of the moment, you see your Captain go down on a play, I think it was an accident but who knows what angles they saw it at and you could maybe think it was intentional. Perry isn’t going to get the benefit of the doubt from guys. Emotions run high in those situations. If you’re the Leafs though, you have to be encouraged that Foligno would do that because let’s face it, the last few years there was nobody on the team that would even make that challenge. It shows a bit of grit and heart that they haven’t had in the past. It was a silly fight but he actually was willing to stand up for his teammates, Perry took it and was just hanging on by never throwing a punch. The fact that it happened like 10 minutes after and the saw the replay from 5 angles makes it staged. had he fought Chiarot, Anderson, weber or Edmundson, you can say it required courage but Perry? Not really. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 21, 2021 11:17:12 GMT -4
I think the fight was unnecessary but I also don’t know if I’d called it staged. Sure we knew it was coming but you get in the heat of the moment, you see your Captain go down on a play, I think it was an accident but who knows what angles they saw it at and you could maybe think it was intentional. Perry isn’t going to get the benefit of the doubt from guys. Emotions run high in those situations. If you’re the Leafs though, you have to be encouraged that Foligno would do that because let’s face it, the last few years there was nobody on the team that would even make that challenge. It shows a bit of grit and heart that they haven’t had in the past. It was a silly fight but he actually was willing to stand up for his teammates, Perry took it and was just hanging on by never throwing a punch. The fact that it happened like 10 minutes after and the saw the replay from 5 angles makes it staged. had he fought Chiarot, Anderson, weber or Edmundson, you can say it required courage but Perry? Not really. Some saw all the replays. Doesnt mean the guys on the ice kept watching them. I honestly havent seen 1 replay of it because watching it live was enough for me. If he was my friend I would not have been watching the replays either. Of course the fight was ridiculous. But so is "the code" or whatever the fuck it is. Should we have jumped Chariot for punching Matthews in the back of the head? Of course not. Yet under the code people would have accepted that. I think Foligno did what he did because he's had so few games with that group and Perry is someone who others give zero benefit of the doubt even in accidental situations. So Foligno sees the younger teammates in shock and felt he had to try and change some of that by getting the attention off the KO'd captain and on the fight. Earns him some points he had not had the chance to earn in his regular season games. I get why he did it even if it was silly because of the purely accidental nature of it all. How do we fix all this? Stop thinking hockey players are policing themselves with fighting and a code invented by a bunch of goons. If Foligno was getting a game misconduct then he doesnt fight Perry. But all the other factors made him feel like he HAD to fight Perry. Because of the people saying it was ridiculous....a good % would have been saying the Leafs are soft today if nobody did anything and Matthews was laughing off punches to the back in a scrum like he did. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 21, 2021 11:18:45 GMT -4
It did not look good, pretty much every player on both teams was stunned. Hopefully it's nothing serious. I thought the staged fight after was beyond ridiculous. Pretty obvious to anybody with half a brain that he fell into Perry's legs and Perry tried to jump and avoid him. I think the fight was unnecessary but I also don’t know if I’d called it staged. Sure we knew it was coming but you get in the heat of the moment, you see your Captain go down on a play, I think it was an accident but who knows what angles they saw it at and you could maybe think it was intentional. Perry isn’t going to get the benefit of the doubt from guys. Emotions run high in those situations. If you’re the Leafs though, you have to be encouraged that Foligno would do that because let’s face it, the last few years there was nobody on the team that would even make that challenge. It shows a bit of grit and heart that they haven’t had in the past. It was a silly fight but he actually was willing to stand up for his teammates, Perry took it and was just hanging on by never throwing a punch. Foligno told Weber it was now or later so lets do it now. Why does it have to happen at all? There's so many reasons that its funny watching everyone so up in arms about it as if that code everyone keeps referencing hasnt been changing to suit agendas for decades now. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on May 21, 2021 11:22:46 GMT -4
The fact that it happened like 10 minutes after and the saw the replay from 5 angles makes it staged. had he fought Chiarot, Anderson, weber or Edmundson, you can say it required courage but Perry? Not really. Some saw all the replays. Doesnt mean the guys on the ice kept watching them. I honestly havent seen 1 replay of it because watching it live was enough for me. If he was my friend I would not have been watching the replays either. Of course the fight was ridiculous. But so is "the code" or whatever the fuck it is. Should we have jumped Chariot for punching Matthews in the back of the head? Of course not. Yet under the code people would have accepted that. I think Foligno did what he did because he's had so few games with that group and Perry is someone who others give zero benefit of the doubt even in accidental situations. So Foligno sees the younger teammates in shock and felt he had to try and change some of that by getting the attention off the KO'd captain and on the fight. Earns him some points he had not had the chance to earn in his regular season games. I get why he did it even if it was silly because of the purely accidental nature of it all. How do we fix all this? Stop thinking hockey players are policing themselves with fighting and a code invented by a bunch of goons. If Foligno was getting a game misconduct then he doesnt fight Perry. But all the other factors made him feel like he HAD to fight Perry. Because of the people saying it was ridiculous....a good % would have been saying the Leafs are soft today if nobody did anything and Matthews was laughing off punches to the back in a scrum like he did. A big part of that code starts with Colin Campbell using former goons to police discipline in the NHL. When something stupid happens, DPS should be strict and harsh...and the NHLPA needs to be on board. They are also part of the problem, where every heavy suspension seems to be appealed. |
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Post by cb67 on May 27, 2021 20:12:15 GMT -4
Leafs came out for the optional skate so far in game 5 lol
Got a bad feeling there’s a game 7 coming. Lacking that killer instinct hopefully turn it up.
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 31, 2021 9:07:31 GMT -4
Well....here we go. Game 7.
You look at some of the trends of this series, and apply the law of averages, and this game goes one of 2 ways:
Montreal wins by 3+. Or Toronto wins a nail biter.
Leafs best players have been propped up by the role players. Losing while getting amazing goaltending and contributions from everywhere but where it should be would be quite the Maple Leaf thing to do. If Matthews and Marner don't make some kind of mark tonight its hard to feel confident. But somehow Jason Spezza looks like its 2007 so not all hope is lost. Even if he is playing with 2030's Joe Thornton (should have been a healthy scratch by now to set the stage for this, now you basically cant without injury)
Have to give Montreal props after game 4 for tightening up and making us fight harder for open ice. Its caused 2 straight complete toss up games where 1 mistake makes the entire difference. And both times it did.
But I will pick some beefs with the inconsistency of Sheldon Keefe. And yes I hope these all come back to look very stupid by this time tomorrow morning.
How are we down Tavares with Nylander generating the most offense yet playing 10 minutes less then Marner? Like last year vs Columbus when he deployed his "nuclear" option and put Tavares on the opposite wing of Marner between Matthews there is was Saturday at times with Nylander getting some ice time with them. It didn't work then and it won't work now. Why not spread things out? Drop Marner down a bit and see if some lost ice time gets his head into playoff mode? I just don't get that.
Also wasnt a fan of banishing Sandin to the press box but not Galchenyuk. Lots of depth forwards to throw in as a kick in the ass for that game 5 OT giveaway. Only time this team has had a PP looking NHL worthy in the last 3 months has been with Sandin at the point. Rielly, minus his 1 goal in the series, has looked worn down since game 1 of the season. Isn't the same player he was for some reason. Going with Dermott again tonight is a message of trying not to lose vs trying to win in my opinion.
Feels like we're kind of at a fork in the road with this one overall.
You win and you start to change the narrative. A breathe of fresh air kind of enters the room. And you're in playoff mode and right back at it again on Wednesday.
Lose and the message has to start to change. Not getting any cap increases means someone has to go to keep things relatively together while trying to add some improvements. Lose again to a scrappy team without the same high end talent and coming back with the same group just starts to become pointless. Especially going back to playing Tampa and Boston in round 1.
But that's a conversation for another day. And hopefully not tomorrow.
I will add that the fan bases absolute toxic reactions on social media are just disgusting. You'd think this team got swept in round 1. Lost 2 OT games and the pitch forks came out as if it was back-to-back 6-0 blowouts. The same people will be the ones waving flags and being the opposite kind of obnoxious if we happen to win. In a way the fan bases reaction shows their maturity to be similar to that of the team they're basically assaulting and harassing on their social media outlets.
Over 6 games there has been 2 OT wins for Montreal. 2 2-1 games which went either way. And 2 4 goal wins by Toronto. Using the law of averages, as opposed to following the trends, I come back to what I said earlier: Montreal wins by 3+. Or Toronto wins a nail biter.
My pick. Have to go with my heart. My head will already be beat up enough if we happen to lose. So i'll say 3-1 Leafs with an empty net goal. Matthews gets something done on the scoresheet. The supporting cast ultimately leads the way and Jack Campbell gives another MVP performance.
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Post by jimmy on May 31, 2021 9:18:03 GMT -4
This one is all about the Leafs - they are by far the superior team. Odds that the Habs win if both teams play well is 5-10% IMO (basically dependant on Price being lights out good) ... odds that the Leafs lose are closer to 50/50 though ... all of the pressure is on them, Montreal is playing with house money at this point ..
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 31, 2021 9:24:38 GMT -4
This one is all about the Leafs - they are by far the superior team. Odds that the Habs win if both teams play well is 5-10% IMO (basically dependant on Price being lights out good) ... odds that the Leafs lose are closer to 50/50 though ... all of the pressure is on them, Montreal is playing with house money at this point .. Absolutely. There's no doubt all the pressure exists on one side. As it should. And now is the time for that pressure to be the motivation vs the fear for this group. They can shake off 20 years of demons tonight. For a core thats only been together for 5 years. But they need to want to change their own narrative....nobody is going to let them do it easily. These types of series are what show you what you're made of. There's no excuse here because Tavares is out and Foligno and Muzzin are banged up and may not play. Thats how deep this team is and this is the exact situation the team was built for. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 31, 2021 9:56:19 GMT -4
Ontario's provincial government given the best platform they could ever have to push the benefits of everyone getting vaccinated and they go from a hard no to letting 550 fully vaccinated health care workers in.
Why not 5000? Fully vaccinated. Even if they have masks on and are distanced...its a big building. We're finally getting to the end of this thing yet the governments are missing wide open empty nets in terms of their chance to show the benefits of being in a fully vaccinated society.
Awesome 550 are being allowed in. But it should be more. Especially with the fully vaccinated logic in play and free tickets to the health care workers.
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