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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 1, 2021 10:42:33 GMT -4
The Habs played it safe but they got 3 or 4 very good chances, Byron to Anderson on a 2 on 1 but it bounced on him, Armia had a partial break, They had a 3 on 2 with Caufield feeding Petry and Campbell just got a piece of it(could have been late 2nd though). that was in the 2nd the Petry one The Leafs early third period PP was a nailbiter ..... i don't know what anyone else was watching that thought they didn't generate a couple glorious chances there... that makes it 2-1 and it's still more than anybody's game Price definitely made 3-4 key saves in the 3rd and Toronto had a few shifts where they controlled the puck in the OZ, but overall the Habs played a textbook 3rd with a 2 goal lead.
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Post by hal on Jun 1, 2021 12:36:52 GMT -4
You can't trade both. I put a gun to your head and say pick 1 or Matthews and Marner and who do you pick? I'd say everyone keeps the #1 center. Switch positions...and Matthews is the whipping boy right now. In terms of who the fan base thinks has to go to keep things realatively together. I've been commenting on how Rielly has lost a step for most of the season. He hasn't looked like a #1 defenceman since before the pandemic. He played better this series then he did for most of the season which doesnt really say a lot for his season. This one hurts because with all due respect to Montreal everyone seems to agree that we did it to ourselves as we got in our own heads. Props to Price of course. But once game 5 played out the way it did the psyche of the Leafs went from lets win to lets not lose. Can't win playoff hockey playing not to lose. The problem I see with Matthews, maybe I'm way off base, is that I see him heading to the western US once he becomes UFA. I see him as a guy that would rather play in a non traditional market. I know he is captain and it likely would not happen, but if a team would take Tavares, most of the cap issues would go away, they would need to find a 2nd center, but can likely do that a lot cheaper than 11M on the cap. Professional Sports 2021 ....Star Players get there Money first ........then they go where they want .......If Matthews wants out , he probably could make it happen .....if he wants to play on the West Coast of the USA then he could probably do it ......if he looks to leave now , he looks weak and if he doesn't want to be in a Major Hockey Market then go back home to Arizona .
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 1, 2021 13:50:35 GMT -4
The problem I see with Matthews, maybe I'm way off base, is that I see him heading to the western US once he becomes UFA. I see him as a guy that would rather play in a non traditional market. I know he is captain and it likely would not happen, but if a team would take Tavares, most of the cap issues would go away, they would need to find a 2nd center, but can likely do that a lot cheaper than 11M on the cap. Professional Sports 2021 ....Star Players get there Money first ........then they go where they want .......If Matthews wants out , he probably could make it happen .....if he wants to play on the West Coast of the USA then he could probably do it ......if he looks to leave now , he looks weak and if he doesn't want to be in a Major Hockey Market then go back home to Arizona . I think at some point, the pressure of Toronto becomes toxic for him and others. fun place to win, hard place to lose.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 1, 2021 14:21:04 GMT -4
The problem I see with Matthews, maybe I'm way off base, is that I see him heading to the western US once he becomes UFA. I see him as a guy that would rather play in a non traditional market. I know he is captain and it likely would not happen, but if a team would take Tavares, most of the cap issues would go away, they would need to find a 2nd center, but can likely do that a lot cheaper than 11M on the cap. I think you're only off base on the west coast thing. I don't think going "home" or "non-traditional" is necessarily it for him. His interests outside of hockey are things like fashion. If he leaves Toronto it will be for a New York, LA, Chicago type of large US market I think. And i'm all for rational discussion but its a waste of time discussion trading John Tavares. Nobody in the NHL is more guaranteed to return to their team. Team captain with an $11mil cap hit coming off a major concussion with a full NMC in play. Its not about finding a team to take a player in that position.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 1, 2021 14:25:59 GMT -4
Professional Sports 2021 ....Star Players get there Money first ........then they go where they want .......If Matthews wants out , he probably could make it happen .....if he wants to play on the West Coast of the USA then he could probably do it ......if he looks to leave now , he looks weak and if he doesn't want to be in a Major Hockey Market then go back home to Arizona . I think at some point, the pressure of Toronto becomes toxic for him and others. fun place to win, hard place to lose. If Toronto had ever drafted an Ovechkin for example....NHL great who never won until he was 32...the toxic part of the fan base and media would have run him out of town long before his Cup run. The 2010 Boston Bruins would have had to be completely dismantled after blowing a 3-0 series lead. People dump 50 years of not winning on 24year olds with 5 years experience who have it held against them for being good enough to be a playoff team in 2017. They suck as some predicted and just don't make the playoffs in 17 and 18 and there's not half of this today. It's quite the polarizing situation. If I was a player I wouldn't want to play there again in all honesty. Its not worth the bullshit. You can suck in Arizona or Anaheim and they won't be ganging up on your Instagram photos with harassing messages and calling your parents to the lowest. Its disgusting what social media has become to the sports world. For the 1% positivity of news spreads as fast as it can and you have a direct outlet to a shit ton of smart people the other 99% is toxic garbage.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 1, 2021 14:29:09 GMT -4
I think at some point, the pressure of Toronto becomes toxic for him and others. fun place to win, hard place to lose. If Toronto had ever drafted an Ovechkin for example....NHL great who never won until he was 32...the toxic part of the fan base and media would have run him out of town long before his Cup run. The 2010 Boston Bruins would have had to be completely dismantled after blowing a 3-0 series lead. People dump 50 years of not winning on 24year olds with 5 years experience who have it held against them for being good enough to be a playoff team in 2017. They suck as some predicted and just don't make the playoffs in 17 and 18 and there's not half of this today. It's quite the polarizing situation. If I was a player I wouldn't want to play there again in all honesty. Its not worth the bullshit. You can suck in Arizona or Anaheim and they won't be ganging up on your Instagram photos with harassing messages and calling your parents to the lowest. Its disgusting what social media has become to the sports world. For the 1% positivity of news spreads as fast as it can and you have a direct outlet to a shit ton of smart people the other 99% is toxic garbage. I agree with you on that, Montreal was the same with Drouin when he only had one goal earlier this year and it may have had an impact on him needing a leave. It's one thing to not be happy about a player's performance, but certain markets take it to a toxic level.
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Post by mooseguy on Jun 1, 2021 15:30:21 GMT -4
This is a general response to social media and todays fans
I know in the sports and entertainment world you want as much exposure as you can get for your product as that generates more money for everyone. But the price can be high for the mental and physical health of individuals. The constant need to get ratings, clicks, likes etc is a never ending chore. Social media is a cesspool of trolls and extreme unfiltered vitriol. Even watching traditional media last night and today they seem to be throwing players under the bus and taking the Leafs loss personally. It's a game. And I laugh when salary comes up as if giving someone more money makes them play better. It's a reward for generating money for the team in ticket sales, merchandise sales, tv revenue etc. I'm a Habs fan and I firmly believe the media in Quebec is a negative influence on players that may prevent the team from ever winning the Cup again. From guys saying no way in hell they want to play in that market to a guy like Druoin who wanted to play but couldn't carry the weight of a media and fanbase on his shoulders. Where is the downtime for players these days away from the game?
The Leafs players cared last night. The shadows of the caps covering their eyes shielded the pain of the loss. The players have to be perfect, never respond to a fan and have thick skin. The disrespect being shown to NBA players with fans back in the buildings is another sign of fans thinking they are entitled to something that they are not.
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Post by hal on Jun 1, 2021 16:12:07 GMT -4
So what happens .....between now and Training Camp with the Leafs ? Predictions ? Personal Wishes ? Management Changes ? Coaching Changes ? .......Players .....well that is a Given but do any of their Top Tier get Moved ?
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 1, 2021 16:15:18 GMT -4
This is a general response to social media and todays fans I know in the sports and entertainment world you want as much exposure as you can get for your product as that generates more money for everyone. But the price can be high for the mental and physical health of individuals. The constant need to get ratings, clicks, likes etc is a never ending chore. Social media is a cesspool of trolls and extreme unfiltered vitriol. Even watching traditional media last night and today they seem to be throwing players under the bus and taking the Leafs loss personally. It's a game. And I laugh when salary comes up as if giving someone more money makes them play better. It's a reward for generating money for the team in ticket sales, merchandise sales, tv revenue etc. I'm a Habs fan and I firmly believe the media in Quebec is a negative influence on players that may prevent the team from ever winning the Cup again. From guys saying no way in hell they want to play in that market to a guy like Druoin who wanted to play but couldn't carry the weight of a media and fanbase on his shoulders. Where is the downtime for players these days away from the game? The Leafs players cared last night. The shadows of the caps covering their eyes shielded the pain of the loss. The players have to be perfect, never respond to a fan and have thick skin. The disrespect being shown to NBA players with fans back in the buildings is another sign of fans thinking they are entitled to something that they are not. Some of that is acceptable, part of being a pro athlete and not getting the job done. That has always existed, the worst part is the added abuse from social media and talk radio where they go over the top and it festers and takes on a life of it's own. It's not just in Toronto and Montreal, NY Boston Phillie Detroit Chicago can also be tough markets.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 1, 2021 16:17:43 GMT -4
So what happens .....between now and Training Camp with the Leafs ? Predictions ? Personal Wishes ? Management Changes ? Coaching Changes ? .......Players .....well that is a Given but do any of their Top Tier get Moved ? I expect some changes, I don't see them making any major ones. Due to the flat cap I think it forces them into another off season of signing cheap vets late plus maybe a lateral trade. I expect them to sign a 1B type goalie and try and keep one of Foligno or Hyman.
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Jun 1, 2021 16:26:57 GMT -4
I think at some point, the pressure of Toronto becomes toxic for him and others. fun place to win, hard place to lose. If Toronto had ever drafted an Ovechkin for example....NHL great who never won until he was 32...the toxic part of the fan base and media would have run him out of town long before his Cup run. The 2010 Boston Bruins would have had to be completely dismantled after blowing a 3-0 series lead. People dump 50 years of not winning on 24year olds with 5 years experience who have it held against them for being good enough to be a playoff team in 2017. They suck as some predicted and just don't make the playoffs in 17 and 18 and there's not half of this today. It's quite the polarizing situation. If I was a player I wouldn't want to play there again in all honesty. Its not worth the bullshit. You can suck in Arizona or Anaheim and they won't be ganging up on your Instagram photos with harassing messages and calling your parents to the lowest. Its disgusting what social media has become to the sports world. For the 1% positivity of news spreads as fast as it can and you have a direct outlet to a shit ton of smart people the other 99% is toxic garbage. Yes you can suck in Arizona and Anaheim but I think most players want to be playing where what they do matters. That means they get torqued for their mistakes. At the end of the day all the legendary best players have gone through that somewhere on the way. Maybe not with Toronto media, but most of the guys who wear the disappointment best play through the criticism and try and get better. It does keep them accountable. Players still want to sign with (or be traded to) Toronto to play under all of that. These guys want to be the ones who finally pull it off. Not as many players want to go to Arizona or Anaheim. If they want to be the best they probably want to be on a winner in plain view. Knife cuts both ways. It's easier to be cut down when visible and much harder to hide.
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Post by mooseguy on Jun 1, 2021 16:43:20 GMT -4
This is a general response to social media and todays fans I know in the sports and entertainment world you want as much exposure as you can get for your product as that generates more money for everyone. But the price can be high for the mental and physical health of individuals. The constant need to get ratings, clicks, likes etc is a never ending chore. Social media is a cesspool of trolls and extreme unfiltered vitriol. Even watching traditional media last night and today they seem to be throwing players under the bus and taking the Leafs loss personally. It's a game. And I laugh when salary comes up as if giving someone more money makes them play better. It's a reward for generating money for the team in ticket sales, merchandise sales, tv revenue etc. I'm a Habs fan and I firmly believe the media in Quebec is a negative influence on players that may prevent the team from ever winning the Cup again. From guys saying no way in hell they want to play in that market to a guy like Druoin who wanted to play but couldn't carry the weight of a media and fanbase on his shoulders. Where is the downtime for players these days away from the game? The Leafs players cared last night. The shadows of the caps covering their eyes shielded the pain of the loss. The players have to be perfect, never respond to a fan and have thick skin. The disrespect being shown to NBA players with fans back in the buildings is another sign of fans thinking they are entitled to something that they are not. Some of that is acceptable, part of being a pro athlete and not getting the job done. That has always existed, the worst part is the added abuse from social media and talk radio where they go over the top and it festers and takes on a life of it's own. It's not just in Toronto and Montreal, NY Boston Phillie Detroit Chicago can also be tough markets. Professional players sign up for being in the spotlight and they love the attention when they are riding high for sure. Being unable to watch the series in person with others forced me over to social media to live the "community" experience. I could not believe the trolling going on and multiple accounts spewing the same word for word garbage on every single tweet. Taking the piss out of each other is fun but the obsessiveness of it was just disturbing. I typically never follow things on social media like this but any politician or corporation should chill out a few days of a Twitter movement because I have a hard time believing these are contributing members of society.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 1, 2021 16:49:18 GMT -4
This is a general response to social media and todays fans I know in the sports and entertainment world you want as much exposure as you can get for your product as that generates more money for everyone. But the price can be high for the mental and physical health of individuals. The constant need to get ratings, clicks, likes etc is a never ending chore. Social media is a cesspool of trolls and extreme unfiltered vitriol. Even watching traditional media last night and today they seem to be throwing players under the bus and taking the Leafs loss personally. It's a game. And I laugh when salary comes up as if giving someone more money makes them play better. It's a reward for generating money for the team in ticket sales, merchandise sales, tv revenue etc. I'm a Habs fan and I firmly believe the media in Quebec is a negative influence on players that may prevent the team from ever winning the Cup again. From guys saying no way in hell they want to play in that market to a guy like Druoin who wanted to play but couldn't carry the weight of a media and fanbase on his shoulders. Where is the downtime for players these days away from the game? The Leafs players cared last night. The shadows of the caps covering their eyes shielded the pain of the loss. The players have to be perfect, never respond to a fan and have thick skin. The disrespect being shown to NBA players with fans back in the buildings is another sign of fans thinking they are entitled to something that they are not. I don't get the obsession over money. Both teams basically have the exact same payrolls. Both were cap teams. And Toronto had like $20 million injured and watching lol Agreed tho especially adding in the NBA fans. The attitude people have towards these teams is disgraceful. Never has fan entitlement been so pathetic. You can not enjoy last nights outcome, critique the performance, discuss how to get better....and not trash their personalities and families and go on about their salaries. Most NHL playoff teams basically have the same payrolls.
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Jun 1, 2021 20:10:09 GMT -4
Big picture. If the divisions were the normal division. Florida, Tampa, Boston, Toronto, Wings, Sens, Sabres & Habs where would the healthy Leafs fall?
If they make the playoffs next year (& they will) what will the expectations be? If the teams are Florida, TB, BOS, & TOR and the Leafs don't win a round it's not unexpected. I think this year though with only Canadian teams and Edmonton out Toronto really fell short no matter the excuses.
The sport is designed to manufacture this heart break.
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Post by bois on Jun 2, 2021 8:12:59 GMT -4
Some of that is acceptable, part of being a pro athlete and not getting the job done. That has always existed, the worst part is the added abuse from social media and talk radio where they go over the top and it festers and takes on a life of it's own. It's not just in Toronto and Montreal, NY Boston Phillie Detroit Chicago can also be tough markets. Professional players sign up for being in the spotlight and they love the attention when they are riding high for sure. Being unable to watch the series in person with others forced me over to social media to live the "community" experience. I could not believe the trolling going on and multiple accounts spewing the same word for word garbage on every single tweet. Taking the piss out of each other is fun but the obsessiveness of it was just disturbing. I typically never follow things on social media like this but any politician or corporation should chill out a few days of a Twitter movement because I have a hard time believing these are contributing members of society. Twitter is the absolute worst.....
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