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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 15, 2021 14:48:42 GMT -4
I think they will make a run at a top starter to go with sale and Eovaldi, then probably a #3-4 type to battle Pivetta. Houck and Whitlock are both very good starting options or pitch in relief.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 29, 2021 14:17:49 GMT -4
You would think the RS would go hard one of these top guys...
Aaron Gleeman @aarongleeman · 10m 11 of my top 20 free agent starters remain unsigned.
#3 Robbie Ray #4 Marcus Stroman #6 Carlos Rodón #7 Clayton Kershaw #12 Alex Wood #15 Alex Cobb #16 Michael Pineda #17 Danny Duffy #18 Zack Greinke #19 Yusei Kikuchi #20 Dylan Bundy
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Post by bois on Dec 2, 2021 10:25:05 GMT -4
so umm tell me why i should be excited about re acquiring JBJ and ditching Renfore in the process?
or by acquiring a 70 year old over the Rich Hill blister problem?
or by acquiring James Paxton and his 1 inning of work in 2021?
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 2, 2021 10:34:52 GMT -4
so umm tell me why i should be excited about re acquiring JBJ and ditching Renfore in the process? or by acquiring a 70 year old over the Rich Hill blister problem? or by acquiring James Paxton and his 1 inning of work in 2021? When they moved Mookie Betts I figured they'd quickly transition back to the big spenders. Here it is years later and the only thing they've spent on was the Pittsburgh Penguins.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 2, 2021 11:00:07 GMT -4
so umm tell me why i should be excited about re acquiring JBJ and ditching Renfore in the process? or by acquiring a 70 year old over the Rich Hill blister problem? or by acquiring James Paxton and his 1 inning of work in 2021? They sold high on Renfroe and bought low on Bradley, they got 2 good young prospects in the deal. part of what Bloom is doing is adding depth to the farm system. Bradley hit very well in Boston in 2020. Hill was very good last year(sub 4.00 ERA) and pitched 160 innings Paxton was a top AL pitcher before blowing out his elbow, they won't get a ton from him next year, he is expected back at midseason, but they have 2 option years for 12.5M in 2022 and 2023, so if he returns to form he would be a #2 or 3 guy in the rotation.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 2, 2021 11:03:18 GMT -4
so umm tell me why i should be excited about re acquiring JBJ and ditching Renfore in the process? or by acquiring a 70 year old over the Rich Hill blister problem? or by acquiring James Paxton and his 1 inning of work in 2021? When they moved Mookie Betts I figured they'd quickly transition back to the big spenders. Here it is years later and the only thing they've spent on was the Pittsburgh Penguins. They spent around 200M last year and will do it again in 2022. That's in the top 5 or 6 teams.
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Post by bois on Dec 2, 2021 11:10:56 GMT -4
so umm tell me why i should be excited about re acquiring JBJ and ditching Renfore in the process? or by acquiring a 70 year old over the Rich Hill blister problem? or by acquiring James Paxton and his 1 inning of work in 2021? They sold high on Renfroe and bought low on Bradley, they got 2 good young prospects in the deal. part of what Bloom is doing is adding depth to the farm system. Bradley hit very well in Boston in 2020. Hill was very good last year(sub 4.00 ERA) and pitched 160 innings Paxton was a top AL pitcher before blowing out his elbow, they won't get a ton from him next year, he is expected back at midseason, but they have 2 option years for 12.5M in 2022 and 2023, so if he returns to form he would be a #2 or 3 guy in the rotation. hard to imagine him getting back to top of the rotation stuff after essentially not pitching for 2 plus years ... if he doesn't come back until midseason don't care what Hill did last year he's not reliable and he's older than dirt i don't mind selling high on Renfroe... but makes little sense bringing JBJ back after one year.... i'll take your word on the prospects with a grain of salt...... this is an extremely boring off season for a Sox fan..... i don't care for Bloom
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Post by bois on Dec 2, 2021 11:12:03 GMT -4
fuck this is the 4th time Rich Hill has been acquired by us lol
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 2, 2021 11:17:45 GMT -4
They sold high on Renfroe and bought low on Bradley, they got 2 good young prospects in the deal. part of what Bloom is doing is adding depth to the farm system. Bradley hit very well in Boston in 2020. Hill was very good last year(sub 4.00 ERA) and pitched 160 innings Paxton was a top AL pitcher before blowing out his elbow, they won't get a ton from him next year, he is expected back at midseason, but they have 2 option years for 12.5M in 2022 and 2023, so if he returns to form he would be a #2 or 3 guy in the rotation. hard to imagine him getting back to top of the rotation stuff after essentially not pitching for 2 plus years ... if he doesn't come back until midseason don't care what Hill did last year he's not reliable and he's older than dirt i don't mind selling high on Renfroe... but makes little sense bringing JBJ back after one year.... i'll take your word on the prospects with a grain of salt...... this is an extremely boring off season for a Sox fan..... i don't care for Bloom People said the same thing last off season but he made 4 or 5 very good moves that were not exciting at the time but worked out great(renfroe Hernandez Ottavino Sawamura). Hill was old last year, and the year before, and the one before, it's a 1 year deal at well below normal cost for his numbers.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 2, 2021 12:51:27 GMT -4
When they moved Mookie Betts I figured they'd quickly transition back to the big spenders. Here it is years later and the only thing they've spent on was the Pittsburgh Penguins. They spent around 200M last year and will do it again in 2022. That's in the top 5 or 6 teams. Sure but there's no flashy additions or aggressive moves. Keeping a solid team together but not really trying to push it over the top as we've seen them do in the past. They're a team we've come to expect to be aggressive and a leader on the FA/trade markets. I'm sure once some dead money falls off they jump back in...but they certainly seem to be taking a step back from major additions right now.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 2, 2021 14:29:09 GMT -4
They spent around 200M last year and will do it again in 2022. That's in the top 5 or 6 teams. Sure but there's no flashy additions or aggressive moves. Keeping a solid team together but not really trying to push it over the top as we've seen them do in the past. They're a team we've come to expect to be aggressive and a leader on the FA/trade markets. I'm sure once some dead money falls off they jump back in...but they certainly seem to be taking a step back from major additions right now. I don't recall Atlanta, Houston or Boston making flashy additions last winter and they were all 3 among the 4 LS finalists.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 6, 2021 9:19:36 GMT -4
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 6, 2021 9:26:26 GMT -4
Sure but there's no flashy additions or aggressive moves. Keeping a solid team together but not really trying to push it over the top as we've seen them do in the past. They're a team we've come to expect to be aggressive and a leader on the FA/trade markets. I'm sure once some dead money falls off they jump back in...but they certainly seem to be taking a step back from major additions right now. I don't recall Atlanta, Houston or Boston making flashy additions last winter and they were all 3 among the 4 LS finalists. Meanwhile the Dodgers regularly add to try and win and they're usually in that mix as well. Atlanta replaced an entire outfield in the summer. I doubt anyone tries replicating that winning formula.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 6, 2021 10:34:57 GMT -4
I don't recall Atlanta, Houston or Boston making flashy additions last winter and they were all 3 among the 4 LS finalists. Meanwhile the Dodgers regularly add to try and win and they're usually in that mix as well. Atlanta replaced an entire outfield in the summer. I doubt anyone tries replicating that winning formula. Other than Bauer who was suspended all year, most of LA's regulars were guys they developed or traded for thanks to their player development. None of the moves were blockbuster ones, just pointing out that flashy signings in FA more often than not don't lead to success, I think Texas will be one of them despite spending half a billion. I think big market teams need a blend on smart FA(some will be big money) along with self developed players and trades. Most of LA's success has been due to their farm system, which has been one of the best the last 10 years.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 6, 2021 11:47:57 GMT -4
Meanwhile the Dodgers regularly add to try and win and they're usually in that mix as well. Atlanta replaced an entire outfield in the summer. I doubt anyone tries replicating that winning formula. Other than Bauer who was suspended all year, most of LA's regulars were guys they developed or traded for thanks to their player development. None of the moves were blockbuster ones, just pointing out that flashy signings in FA more often than not don't lead to success, I think Texas will be one of them despite spending half a billion. I think big market teams need a blend on smart FA(some will be big money) along with self developed players and trades. Most of LA's success has been due to their farm system, which has been one of the best the last 10 years. They traded for Max Scherzer and Trea Turner. They've regularly added to their team over the last few years. You dont need to sign FA's to spend money/assets on improving your team. LA's success comes down to spending resources. Whether it be on MLB talent or on their farm system. They've regularly spent big and invested big. Never thought a Boston Red Sox fan would be so touchy about pointing out their team hasnt really done much to improve lately. Is that not the truth? Or am I missing something? Because it really does seem like ownerships efforts are clearly distracted by trying to grow their overall portfolio. And that all seems to line up with when they decided to move Betts and Price.
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