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Post by bois on Jan 5, 2022 14:43:49 GMT -4
yeah not familiar enough with Amirov to comment there but Dermott or Kerfoot for that matter don't come close to equalling Tuch in my opinion but then i'm a Tuch guy if i look at the Leafs roster and try to find the equivalent to a Tuch i'm not sure it's there to be honest..... if i'm Arizona i think i request Sandin as part of my package back Sandin + Kerfoot + Amirov + 1st + 3rd = Chychrun would somewhat make sense then. Massive package to pay however. Chychrun in any other city besides Arizona is likely a top 2 pairing guy as he's shown promises of before. and to that i think it's overpayment Sandin plus Amirov or Robertson plus a first is the basis of a deal i guess if u need to dump Ritchie the coyotes could toss a mid round pick in to balance it |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 5, 2022 15:07:45 GMT -4
Sandin + Kerfoot + Amirov + 1st + 3rd = Chychrun would somewhat make sense then. Massive package to pay however. Chychrun in any other city besides Arizona is likely a top 2 pairing guy as he's shown promises of before. and to that i think it's overpayment Sandin plus Amirov or Robertson plus a first is the basis of a deal i guess if u need to dump Ritchie the coyotes could toss a mid round pick in to balance it Can we get Vejmelka tossed in? That guy has been unreal any time i've seen him this year. |
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Post by jordo999 on Jan 5, 2022 15:21:56 GMT -4
Sandin + Kerfoot + Amirov + 1st + 3rd = Chychrun would somewhat make sense then. Massive package to pay however. Chychrun in any other city besides Arizona is likely a top 2 pairing guy as he's shown promises of before. and to that i think it's overpayment Sandin plus Amirov or Robertson plus a first is the basis of a deal i guess if u need to dump Ritchie the coyotes could toss a mid round pick in to balance it I agree it's steep... so not sure it's possible but Arizona seems to expect something along the lines. |
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Post by jordo999 on Jan 5, 2022 15:22:17 GMT -4
and to that i think it's overpayment Sandin plus Amirov or Robertson plus a first is the basis of a deal i guess if u need to dump Ritchie the coyotes could toss a mid round pick in to balance it Can we get Vejmelka tossed in? That guy has been unreal any time i've seen him this year. he's definitely been a bright spot on a brutal Coyotes squad... |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 5, 2022 15:32:36 GMT -4
Can we get Vejmelka tossed in? That guy has been unreal any time i've seen him this year. he's definitely been a bright spot on a brutal Coyotes squad... He is having a rough year, but that may be due to the team. Based on last year's production, his age(23), size and having 3.5 years left at 4.6M he would be worth a similar return to Eichel. How much does this season impact his value? You can't say he is a flash in the pan, he had good production in 19-20. If you average out his last 3 years...145GP 32-42-74 for 18-24-42 over 82 games. "blowing it up" can have unintended consequences of screwing up the play/development of your young players. |
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Post by jimmy on Jan 5, 2022 16:19:31 GMT -4
I said it before when they moved Garland, and Dvorak, and I will say it again with regards to Chychrun - WTF is Arizona doing??? In what kind of rebuild do you have no use for good players in their early to mid-20's, signed to term, at a reasonable contract? When are they hoping to compete - 2030???
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 5, 2022 16:27:19 GMT -4
I said it before when they moved Garland, and Dvorak, and I will say it again with regards to Chychrun - WTF is Arizona doing??? In what kind of rebuild do you have no use for good players in their early to mid-20's, signed to term, at a reasonable contract? When are they hoping to compete - 2030??? My take on it is they panicked because they were in no man's land and had picks missing due to the penalties. They did end up with Guenther for Garland plus ended up dumping OEL's awful contract, so that deal on it's own can be justified. Getting a late 1st for Dvorak who could have been around 6-8 years, that's where it gets more dicey. |
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Post by jordo999 on Jan 5, 2022 17:49:55 GMT -4
I said it before when they moved Garland, and Dvorak, and I will say it again with regards to Chychrun - WTF is Arizona doing??? In what kind of rebuild do you have no use for good players in their early to mid-20's, signed to term, at a reasonable contract? When are they hoping to compete - 2030??? I think declaring it a rebuild is even a bit much lol. They wanted a complete overhaul and traded literally everyone of some value not named Keller or Chychrun. Honestly wouldn't be shocked to see them move Kessel and a few other depth pieces too by the deadline. I do agree though they could've kept a majority of their younger guys rather then move them but they seem to be doing a similar approach to Ottawa and just getting as much value as possible and then taking the long train back to a playoff spot. But this is a whole other level of tanking. definitely can't see them making the playoffs for at least 5 years unless all their picks are complete studs and their top prospects develop as such over the next 2-3 years. Their management in general over the last few years hasn't exactly been good either, let alone product on ice. |
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Post by jordo999 on Jan 7, 2022 11:25:23 GMT -4
Ritchie on waivers, was expected eventually...now if they can make some moves, including Engvall would be nice.
To be fair though this Leafs team looks a lot different then recent years, they seem calm and collected out there and really gelling, idk how to really explain it.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 7, 2022 11:41:33 GMT -4
Ritchie on waivers, was expected eventually...now if they can make some moves, including Engvall would be nice. To be fair though this Leafs team looks a lot different then recent years, they seem calm and collected out there and really gelling, idk how to really explain it. Not being in LTIR means they can accrue some cap space by putting him on the taxi squad. That might be the thinking here. And I agree on the calmness. Havent seen it in a Leafs team since Belfour was the last line of defence. Its mainly experience...Nylander for example is looking like the elite winger we were thinking he could be. I'd argue he's already surpassed any expectations most had for him. The bottom 6 also plays really well defensively and the 4th line with Spezza and Simmonds on it always provides a spark. |
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Post by jordo999 on Jan 7, 2022 14:46:39 GMT -4
Ritchie on waivers, was expected eventually...now if they can make some moves, including Engvall would be nice. To be fair though this Leafs team looks a lot different then recent years, they seem calm and collected out there and really gelling, idk how to really explain it. Not being in LTIR means they can accrue some cap space by putting him on the taxi squad. That might be the thinking here. And I agree on the calmness. Havent seen it in a Leafs team since Belfour was the last line of defence. Its mainly experience...Nylander for example is looking like the elite winger we were thinking he could be. I'd argue he's already surpassed any expectations most had for him. The bottom 6 also plays really well defensively and the 4th line with Spezza and Simmonds on it always provides a spark. that makes sense honestly. Still wondering if he'd potentially be included in a trade as cap dump. I expect the Leafs to likely add a piece or 2 if possible once the deadline looms, they have a good shot this year to do well if they can get over the hunch, but like I mentioned they look like a whole different team this year and I expect that to hopefully translate into the playoffs. Tampa and Florida will be 2 strong teams so the Leafs need to push above them if possible. I agree, Nylander has been amazing and I'm really glad Leaf's management was a lot more patient than the fans were. He's proving his worth. I think adding another depth forward and a depth D this team can make some more waves. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 7, 2022 14:52:40 GMT -4
Not being in LTIR means they can accrue some cap space by putting him on the taxi squad. That might be the thinking here. And I agree on the calmness. Havent seen it in a Leafs team since Belfour was the last line of defence. Its mainly experience...Nylander for example is looking like the elite winger we were thinking he could be. I'd argue he's already surpassed any expectations most had for him. The bottom 6 also plays really well defensively and the 4th line with Spezza and Simmonds on it always provides a spark. that makes sense honestly. Still wondering if he'd potentially be included in a trade as cap dump. I expect the Leafs to likely add a piece or 2 if possible once the deadline looms, they have a good shot this year to do well if they can get over the hunch, but like I mentioned they look like a whole different team this year and I expect that to hopefully translate into the playoffs. Tampa and Florida will be 2 strong teams so the Leafs need to push above them if possible. I agree, Nylander has been amazing and I'm really glad Leaf's management was a lot more patient than the fans were. He's proving his worth. I think adding another depth forward and a depth D this team can make some more waves. Heard from a few "insiders" that Chiarot would be a good fit in Toronto...and Edmonton...and St.Louis...and TB...he should be a hot commodity at the TDL... |
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Post by jordo999 on Jan 7, 2022 15:21:51 GMT -4
that makes sense honestly. Still wondering if he'd potentially be included in a trade as cap dump. I expect the Leafs to likely add a piece or 2 if possible once the deadline looms, they have a good shot this year to do well if they can get over the hunch, but like I mentioned they look like a whole different team this year and I expect that to hopefully translate into the playoffs. Tampa and Florida will be 2 strong teams so the Leafs need to push above them if possible. I agree, Nylander has been amazing and I'm really glad Leaf's management was a lot more patient than the fans were. He's proving his worth. I think adding another depth forward and a depth D this team can make some more waves. Heard from a few "insiders" that Chiarot would be a good fit in Toronto...and Edmonton...and St.Louis...and TB...he should be a hot commodity at the TDL... I actually like Chiarot's game, plays hard and good defensively. The only thing is Montreal would prob ask for more for him being in the same division and trades between the 2 don't happen too often lol. |
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Post by hal on Jan 7, 2022 15:56:16 GMT -4
Heard from a few "insiders" that Chiarot would be a good fit in Toronto...and Edmonton...and St.Louis...and TB...he should be a hot commodity at the TDL... I actually like Chiarot's game, plays hard and good defensively. The only thing is Montreal would prob ask for more for him being in the same division and trades between the 2 don't happen too often lol. Why would Montreal care about that ? If Toronto has the Slam Dunk Best Offer then that's where Chairot is gonna go to . Montreal is gonna be on the Golf Course , so Why would they care where he goes for a Few Months . He could end up Next Season in the Western Conference as a Pending Free Agent . The only thing that might happen though is if a Contender with Cap Room trades for him and in turn gives him a Long Term Deal ........but I don't see that happening . I think the same type of Scenario that happened with Savard and Tampa Bay is what will probably happen with Chairiot . The Highest Bidder of the Stanley Cup Contenders gets him for the Rest of this Season .......then The Highest Bidder from the entire NHL gets him beyond this Season . |
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Post by jordo999 on Jan 7, 2022 16:14:48 GMT -4
I actually like Chiarot's game, plays hard and good defensively. The only thing is Montreal would prob ask for more for him being in the same division and trades between the 2 don't happen too often lol. Why would Montreal care about that ? If Toronto has the Slam Dunk Best Offer then that's where Chairot is gonna go to . Montreal is gonna be on the Golf Course , so Why would they care where he goes for a Few Months . He could end up Next Season in the Western Conference as a Pending Free Agent . The only thing that might happen though is if a Contender with Cap Room trades for him and in turn gives him a Long Term Deal ........but I don't see that happening . I think the same type of Scenario that happened with Savard and Tampa Bay is what will probably happen with Chairiot . The Highest Bidder of the Stanley Cup Contenders gets him for the Rest of this Season .......then The Highest Bidder from the entire NHL gets him beyond this Season . fair points, that's likely what would happen, he would likely on be a rental for most teams even if not ending up in Toronto. |
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