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Post by yoyomamajoe on Feb 19, 2022 12:09:17 GMT -4
The fact that the government can cut off funding and freeze bank accounts without any legal back up, repercussions or recourse is very scary in my eyes. This is a constitutional democracy. They still could have gone after the protesters through the courts, the way it should be. What you need to ask yourself, is this power acceptable in the hands of your enemy? Cause you know it can be used by anyone now. What would have happened if Trump would have used similar powers to cut off funding and going after donations for BLM? The whole world would be going after him. So be careful what you wish for. The government can freeze your account for not paying child support.If they were using this act to freeze random bank accounts you'd have a point. They're not. It's very clear whose accounts are being frozen and why. This IS a constitutional democracy. But at some point a blockade of our national capital has to end. You don't get to stand around and disrupt people lives for an indefinite period of time because you don't like a government policy. If Pat King and other white supremacists from international countries were backing the BLM crowd with 60% of their funding I would have hoped Trump would have done something about it. These people are using children as props. You're acting like these are quiet people having a peaceful demonstration vs a politically driven group of fringe right wing ideologies who are trying to support the over throwing of our federal government while our official opposition stands with them. Blockades of national capitals can't go on indefinitely. It was never about freedom or vaccines or mandates to these people. Its about not liking Trudeau. Has anyone ever told their teenager to "get over" being upset at something? This is the adult version. At some point you have to accept that in a democracy things won't always be as you like. You can fight to change...but at some point you absolutely 100% have to accept certain things you may never like because life isn't always fair and you never get your way. We all know at the most these people are losing a couple of runs. Not their entire careers as truckers as the industry made sure we were well aware of 30 days ago for anyone who would listen. But still you're here representing them as this peaceful group who is being bullied. Essentially arguing that until they turn violent they are within their rights to completely block and make a mockery of our national capital and its tax paying citizens. And our of fear that an enemy could use the same powers on us? My enemy are the idiots who had a truck full of guns in Coutts. The people using their children as shields. The white supremacists like Pat King who took an opening and the cause said "come on in" and help lead us. The MAGA hat wearing official opposition leader who proudly stood with these idiots. My enemy isn't the people who have been trying to keep Canadians alive for 2 years and compared to other nations have done a great job by most measurable statistics. Enemies would have lied in January of 2020 and told us this will all go away and will be of no bother to us. Some politicians took that route. And the base they were going after is making up not only the ideology who attacked the US capital in January of 2021 but the same folks who think some vaccine mandates (all being lifted thanks to data, statistics, and science) are ruining a livelihood as the industry and fellow truckers all show us how that is not happening. You still don't get my point. Yes, the government can freeze your account for not paying child support, but only after a court injunction. They cannot do it just because they want to. And that is my problem with invoking this act. There is no control over what the government does anymore. So, just let's say, all of a sudden the NDP decides to vote against the invoking of this Act. What happens then? It means the government has acted on the act illegally, but the damage is already done. Can the protesters come back on the government for damages? No! Can the protesters come back on the banks? On the insurance companies? Any other financial institutions? No! They all point the fingers at each other and nobody has any blame, even though it was illegal. The fact that the government went from doing absolutely nothing to the most extreme measure is what bothers me too. Trudeau has done nothing but fueling the protest and inciting hatred and when he realized he wasn't getting his way he goes to extreme. I have no problem with the police cracking down on the protest and actually have to applaud them the way they handled themselves. I have seen harder crack downs of protests, but this is what they could have done two/three weeks ago also and would have had the same results. There was no Emergency Act needed for this.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 19, 2022 12:28:10 GMT -4
The government can freeze your account for not paying child support.If they were using this act to freeze random bank accounts you'd have a point. They're not. It's very clear whose accounts are being frozen and why. This IS a constitutional democracy. But at some point a blockade of our national capital has to end. You don't get to stand around and disrupt people lives for an indefinite period of time because you don't like a government policy. If Pat King and other white supremacists from international countries were backing the BLM crowd with 60% of their funding I would have hoped Trump would have done something about it. These people are using children as props. You're acting like these are quiet people having a peaceful demonstration vs a politically driven group of fringe right wing ideologies who are trying to support the over throwing of our federal government while our official opposition stands with them. Blockades of national capitals can't go on indefinitely. It was never about freedom or vaccines or mandates to these people. Its about not liking Trudeau. Has anyone ever told their teenager to "get over" being upset at something? This is the adult version. At some point you have to accept that in a democracy things won't always be as you like. You can fight to change...but at some point you absolutely 100% have to accept certain things you may never like because life isn't always fair and you never get your way. We all know at the most these people are losing a couple of runs. Not their entire careers as truckers as the industry made sure we were well aware of 30 days ago for anyone who would listen. But still you're here representing them as this peaceful group who is being bullied. Essentially arguing that until they turn violent they are within their rights to completely block and make a mockery of our national capital and its tax paying citizens. And our of fear that an enemy could use the same powers on us? My enemy are the idiots who had a truck full of guns in Coutts. The people using their children as shields. The white supremacists like Pat King who took an opening and the cause said "come on in" and help lead us. The MAGA hat wearing official opposition leader who proudly stood with these idiots. My enemy isn't the people who have been trying to keep Canadians alive for 2 years and compared to other nations have done a great job by most measurable statistics. Enemies would have lied in January of 2020 and told us this will all go away and will be of no bother to us. Some politicians took that route. And the base they were going after is making up not only the ideology who attacked the US capital in January of 2021 but the same folks who think some vaccine mandates (all being lifted thanks to data, statistics, and science) are ruining a livelihood as the industry and fellow truckers all show us how that is not happening. You still don't get my point. Yes, the government can freeze your account for not paying child support, but only after a court injunction. They cannot do it just because they want to. And that is my problem with invoking this act. There is no control over what the government does anymore. So, just let's say, all of a sudden the NDP decides to vote against the invoking of this Act. What happens then? It means the government has acted on the act illegally, but the damage is already done. Can the protesters come back on the government for damages? No! Can the protesters come back on the banks? On the insurance companies? Any other financial institutions? No! They all point the fingers at each other and nobody has any blame, even though it was illegal. The fact that the government went from doing absolutely nothing to the most extreme measure is what bothers me too. Trudeau has done nothing but fueling the protest and inciting hatred and when he realized he wasn't getting his way he goes to extreme. I have no problem with the police cracking down on the protest and actually have to applaud them the way they handled themselves. I have seen harder crack downs of protests, but this is what they could have done two/three weeks ago also and would have had the same results. There was no Emergency Act needed for this. The NDP has given no indication they won't support it. Singh has been the only one making any sense these last 3 weeks in my view and he's absolutely not getting in the way of anything breaking up this fringe right wingers wet dream. We can agree to disagree on how they utilized the emergency act. And agree to agree that our police have handled themselves exactly how we expect our police to function. They are clearly executing a well thought out and thorough plan and doing it with patience, and even a bit of class and grace. Evan Solomon from CTV has been incredible giving the protestors a voice and asking fair questions without passing any judgement on any of their views. I honestly think the "nothing" we seen for the last 10-14 days action wise was starting preparations for this police action. This wasn't something throw together overnight. This is well organized and thought out it would appear. I'd love to hear what the protestors view would be if the double vaccinated all showed up to counter their protest and they become an extreme minority in the crowd vs the only voice. Those echo chambers are how these people start to view themselves as a majority and its scary for the future of our democracy as fringe groups demand extreme measures.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 19, 2022 12:33:35 GMT -4
One thing that kind of stood out to me watching on TV off and on all day was not seeing a single obvious case of Covid amongst the protesters - nobody coughing - no mention of local hospitals being overwhelmed with such a large gathering of unvaxxed and unmasked people in close proximity to each other - and not a single mention by the media. The protesters lost big-time as far as gaining support from the public the longer they stayed - but - I don't know - it's kind of becoming apparent that just lifting the mandates is the best thing to do nation-wide going forward. The protestors might unwittingly have ended up having made a statement after all - simply by having no huge Covid outbreak during the protest itself? I'm just sayyin' - not meaning to be seen as picking one side or another. It really didn't have any effect on me over the past three weeks - one way or another. Definitely a headache for the residents though. I lived in a dorm at the university for a year on Nicholas St. Skating on the canal was unbelievable - you could go for miles with little warming huts along the way - continuous cleaning of the ice by tractors - and you were allowed sticks and pucks. It's a beautiful city. Wow, you can look at people and tell if they have Covid? People walk around and have it a don't even know it. The world could really use your help with that gift. It's also the end of a wave and coming at a time when most restrictions are starting to be lifted. The science has told us from day 1 that the spread outdoors is different then indoors. And the science for 2 years says that of all these unvaccinated people gathering that a few out of every thousand will need some hospitalization. Media has reported on that data regularly and its all readily available. This is about right wing politics. That's why the media doesn't lead with covid stats when showing the scenes and showing the story from the front line.
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Post by bois on Feb 20, 2022 10:56:22 GMT -4
You think the protestors get tested?
I'm sure many of them do have covid
not surprising at all that there isn't some tremendous increase in cases tho since you have to be tested to count lol
i'm so sick of all this shit...... what a divisive country we have allowed ourselves to become... it's shameful really
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Post by yoyomamajoe on Feb 20, 2022 11:02:05 GMT -4
You still don't get my point. Yes, the government can freeze your account for not paying child support, but only after a court injunction. They cannot do it just because they want to. And that is my problem with invoking this act. There is no control over what the government does anymore. So, just let's say, all of a sudden the NDP decides to vote against the invoking of this Act. What happens then? It means the government has acted on the act illegally, but the damage is already done. Can the protesters come back on the government for damages? No! Can the protesters come back on the banks? On the insurance companies? Any other financial institutions? No! They all point the fingers at each other and nobody has any blame, even though it was illegal. The fact that the government went from doing absolutely nothing to the most extreme measure is what bothers me too. Trudeau has done nothing but fueling the protest and inciting hatred and when he realized he wasn't getting his way he goes to extreme. I have no problem with the police cracking down on the protest and actually have to applaud them the way they handled themselves. I have seen harder crack downs of protests, but this is what they could have done two/three weeks ago also and would have had the same results. There was no Emergency Act needed for this. The NDP has given no indication they won't support it. Singh has been the only one making any sense these last 3 weeks in my view and he's absolutely not getting in the way of anything breaking up this fringe right wingers wet dream.We can agree to disagree on how they utilized the emergency act. And agree to agree that our police have handled themselves exactly how we expect our police to function. They are clearly executing a well thought out and thorough plan and doing it with patience, and even a bit of class and grace. Evan Solomon from CTV has been incredible giving the protestors a voice and asking fair questions without passing any judgement on any of their views. I honestly think the "nothing" we seen for the last 10-14 days action wise was starting preparations for this police action. This wasn't something throw together overnight. This is well organized and thought out it would appear. I'd love to hear what the protestors view would be if the double vaccinated all showed up to counter their protest and they become an extreme minority in the crowd vs the only voice. Those echo chambers are how these people start to view themselves as a majority and its scary for the future of our democracy as fringe groups demand extreme measures. With the additional protests going on in Quebec, Toronto and other cities in Canada I think you cannot say it's just the fringe right wingers. For that many people across Canada to take to the streets and protest there must be more going on then just a few hard core right wingers. Even in Ottawa you saw people of all walks of life. Sure, there may have been some fringe right wing groups trying to hyjack the protest, but most people there are to protest the governments mandates. There is always going to be a large silent majority, but that doesn't mean that they don't oppose the governments handling of the pandemic, currently an endemic. And keep hammering the lie that it was a protest of the unvaccinated. It never was a protest of the unvaccinated. The majority of the protesters are dubble vaxed and boostered. They just don't agree with the yellow stars that the government wants to stick on the unvaxed. Now, you are going to say that that is out of line, but nobody believed Hitler was going to kill that many Jews in the early '30 when he started singling out groups. That's why you have to be so careful with what the government wants to impose with the Emergency Act and vaccine passports. Trudeau already knows he has lost this battle but is too proud to admit defeat, cause that will mean political suicide.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 20, 2022 13:48:22 GMT -4
The NDP has given no indication they won't support it. Singh has been the only one making any sense these last 3 weeks in my view and he's absolutely not getting in the way of anything breaking up this fringe right wingers wet dream.We can agree to disagree on how they utilized the emergency act. And agree to agree that our police have handled themselves exactly how we expect our police to function. They are clearly executing a well thought out and thorough plan and doing it with patience, and even a bit of class and grace. Evan Solomon from CTV has been incredible giving the protestors a voice and asking fair questions without passing any judgement on any of their views. I honestly think the "nothing" we seen for the last 10-14 days action wise was starting preparations for this police action. This wasn't something throw together overnight. This is well organized and thought out it would appear. I'd love to hear what the protestors view would be if the double vaccinated all showed up to counter their protest and they become an extreme minority in the crowd vs the only voice. Those echo chambers are how these people start to view themselves as a majority and its scary for the future of our democracy as fringe groups demand extreme measures. With the additional protests going on in Quebec, Toronto and other cities in Canada I think you cannot say it's just the fringe right wingers. For that many people across Canada to take to the streets and protest there must be more going on then just a few hard core right wingers. Even in Ottawa you saw people of all walks of life. Sure, there may have been some fringe right wing groups trying to hyjack the protest, but most people there are to protest the governments mandates. There is always going to be a large silent majority, but that doesn't mean that they don't oppose the governments handling of the pandemic, currently an endemic. And keep hammering the lie that it was a protest of the unvaccinated. It never was a protest of the unvaccinated. The majority of the protesters are dubble vaxed and boostered. They just don't agree with the yellow stars that the government wants to stick on the unvaxed. Now, you are going to say that that is out of line, but nobody believed Hitler was going to kill that many Jews in the early '30 when he started singling out groups. That's why you have to be so careful with what the government wants to impose with the Emergency Act and vaccine passports. Trudeau already knows he has lost this battle but is too proud to admit defeat, cause that will mean political suicide. All walks of life? You keep believing that myth. One regular comment from many on social media for weeks about this group was the irony that the group fighting for freedom have been the same people fighting against minorities and LGBTQ who have fought for freedom for decades...yet the representation of minorities and LGBTQ in that group was non-existent. Somehow the "freeom" these people have fought for don't align with those who have actually fought for freedom. Its almost like using the term "freedom" in this cause is a laughable overreach from people looking to attract a certain political base.... And on top of that now we're back to Trudeau and Hitler comparisons because of some rapid tests and mandates that multiple countries are using? And comparisons to the Holocaust. Are you seriously that fucking ignorant to world history and our current day plight? So you seen this as some utopia of vaccinated people fighting for the rights of the unvaccinated. While Pat King and Tamara Lich and their types get brushed off as some fringe groups there to hijack the real cause. And Trudeau ia bordering on Hitler. While his country has seen 1/2 or 1/3 the deaths per million as countries with similar makeups. And Trudeau has lost what exactly? I realize people love to say Trudeau lost something as the guy keeps winning every election he runs in but you're bordering on delusional after that post. *here is where you find 1 picture with 1 minority and use that statistical example of 1 to prove that minorities support the cause*
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Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 20, 2022 13:57:37 GMT -4
The irony of Pat King being on 1 side of this and Trudeau being compared to Hitler is peak Conservative spin though. I'm completely blown away that the literal white supremacist is brushed off and the leader of the country which mandates are mostly provincial and are going away is the Hitler is all this.
Disgusting...it really is.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2022 14:47:06 GMT -4
I'll keep saying that the protesters at all sites should have gone home after the very first day - or even after a few hours. They only hurt their cause by becoming a nuisance to other Canadians - but I don't see them as a bunch of idiots like some people do.
Just because they hold pride days - only a narrow-minded person would think that everybody taking part is gay. There are idiots at every protest for any cause - but there are also people trying to intelligently protest or show their support to try to effect change.
I also think that the protests needed to happen to help expedite changes like the removal of the vaccine passports and things like masks in schools.
People can argue that the changes were already trending in that direction - but three weeks ago - they weren't. Even on this forum at the time - several people thought that the QMJHL season wouldn't be completed - or the Memorial Cup. That thinking has all but disappeared.
The people have spoken - and they have demanded that we move on with our lives and learn to live with Covid.
The outlook has definitely turned into endemic from pandemic.
I'm not on any side - but I do think that they should lift some of the mandates within Canada and make it so that it's up to the individual to wear a mask and social distance - and let's get on with life.
My opinion has changed several times over the past year - but it's now 100 percent that anybody who wants a vaccine has one and its time to get on with life.
I could be wrong - but I do believe that the people needed to make some noise. The people have spoken - and they have been heard. It's time for Strange - Morrison - Higgs and the rest to go the blazes home!
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Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 20, 2022 15:34:30 GMT -4
I also think that the protests needed to happen to help expedite changes like the removal of the vaccine passports and things like masks in schools. You can argue for the well being of children mentally due to their extra curricular items such as sports being so drastically effected by the pandemic regulations. You can argue for how as a society we've still put little thought or investment into the air quality and ventilation systems in places like our public schools. You can argue how the household limits and the effect on our teens who had disrupted grad experiences and very different introductions to post secondary education and adult life. But masks in schools is what you're worried about. Really says it all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2022 15:37:53 GMT -4
I also think that the protests needed to happen to help expedite changes like the removal of the vaccine passports and things like masks in schools. You can argue for the well being of children mentally due to their extra curricular items such as sports being so drastically effected by the pandemic regulations. You can argue for how as a society we've still put little thought or investment into the air quality and ventilation systems in places like our public schools. You can argue how the household limits and the effect on our teens who had disrupted grad experiences and very different introductions to post secondary education and adult life. But masks in schools is what you're worried about. Really says it all. I'm not worried about anything except you flying off the handle and constantly trying to make me look bad for daring to have an opinion different from your own. Thankfully - you can no longer just delete my posts and ban me at whim. Would I have that right - or just a stretch on my part?
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Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 20, 2022 15:49:25 GMT -4
You can argue for the well being of children mentally due to their extra curricular items such as sports being so drastically effected by the pandemic regulations. You can argue for how as a society we've still put little thought or investment into the air quality and ventilation systems in places like our public schools. You can argue how the household limits and the effect on our teens who had disrupted grad experiences and very different introductions to post secondary education and adult life. But masks in schools is what you're worried about. Really says it all. I'm not worried about anything except you flying off the handle and constantly trying to make me look bad for daring to have an opinion different from your own. Thankfully - you can no longer just delete my posts and ban me at whim. Would I have that right - or just a stretch on my part? Your response to a clear point questioning why masks in school is such a pressing matter to you is telling me i'm flying off the handle? So you're not going to bother explaining why masks in schools is so important to you because you will make yourself look bad? Am I understanding your version of this interaction? I have zero ways to delete your posts or ban you. You're doing all that to yourself as well. Nobody here can make YOU look bad. You're the one posting from your account. You're the one making yourself look bad. How do you not know how this works?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2022 15:58:13 GMT -4
I'm not worried about anything except you flying off the handle and constantly trying to make me look bad for daring to have an opinion different from your own. Thankfully - you can no longer just delete my posts and ban me at whim. Would I have that right - or just a stretch on my part? Your response to a clear point questioning why masks in school is such a pressing matter to you is telling me i'm flying off the handle? So you're not going to bother explaining why masks in schools is so important to you because you will make yourself look bad? Am I understanding your version of this interaction? I have zero ways to delete your posts or ban you. You're doing all that to yourself as well. Nobody here can make YOU look bad. You're the one posting from your account. You're the one making yourself look bad. How do you not know how this works? I don't want to argue all day. The game's starting. . . It's an opinion - and it's my right to voice it. What says it all to me is that you have this despicable habit of condensing peoples' posts to one line - or one word - and you do it all the time. It's discouraging. My post was never only about masks in schools - but with my wife being a teacher - ya - it is a part of forming an opinion. Relax Jack. Every discussion doesn't need to turn into something that leaves people telling us to get a room. . . As far as the deleting and banning and so on - yes - I know that you NO LONGER can do it. This guy isn't stupid. . . I don't think I'm making myself look bad - that's your claim. I think YOU make yourself look bad though - because you constantly seem to believe that only your thinking is the right thinking - and you fly into a rage if somebody goes against you. I honestly try to be out of my way diplomatic - I really do. I like trying to see where others are coming from without name calling and bashing and picking at words and phrases.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 20, 2022 16:17:13 GMT -4
Your response to a clear point questioning why masks in school is such a pressing matter to you is telling me i'm flying off the handle? So you're not going to bother explaining why masks in schools is so important to you because you will make yourself look bad? Am I understanding your version of this interaction? I have zero ways to delete your posts or ban you. You're doing all that to yourself as well. Nobody here can make YOU look bad. You're the one posting from your account. You're the one making yourself look bad. How do you not know how this works? I don't want to argue all day. The game's starting. . . It's an opinion - and it's my right to voice it. What says it all to me is that you have this despicable habit of condensing peoples' posts to one line - or one word - and you do it all the time. It's discouraging. My post was never only about masks in schools - but with my wife being a teacher - ya - it is a part of forming an opinion. Relax Jack. Every discussion doesn't need to turn into something that leaves people telling us to get a room. . . As far as the deleting and banning and so on - yes - I know that you NO LONGER can do it. This guy isn't stupid. . . I don't think I'm making myself look bad - that's your claim. I think YOU make yourself look bad though - because you constantly seem to believe that only your thinking is the right thinking - and you fly into a rage if somebody goes against you. I honestly try to be out of my way diplomatic - I really do. I like trying to see where others are coming from without name calling and bashing and picking at words and phrases. Your right to voice it? Ok, sure. Not the point or the question. Why are masks in school such an important item to you? If you're going to voice that it is....i'm allowed to voice a question in response asking why is it so important to you. Nobody is telling us to get a room. I responded to that one asking you a simple and direct question which for some reason you're very intimidated to answer. I'm not here speaking for anyone but myself. If you think that makes me look bad - great! Still makes me wonder why masks in schools is where you're drawing any line in terms of pandemic restrictions. No bashing no picking at phrases...still asking the same very direct question very politely and not seeing any answer and a pile of questionable deflections. The answer to your question might actually score you some points with whoever you're aggravating moderator wise if people hear an opinion and see where you're coming from as your reputation so far is hurting you based on the disappearing posts and your self admitted vacations. So i'll try 1 more time in case you actually want to answer the question and I will move on from it. So, why are masks in school such an important item to you?
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Post by MikeC on Feb 20, 2022 19:56:35 GMT -4
The NDP has given no indication they won't support it. Singh has been the only one making any sense these last 3 weeks in my view and he's absolutely not getting in the way of anything breaking up this fringe right wingers wet dream.We can agree to disagree on how they utilized the emergency act. And agree to agree that our police have handled themselves exactly how we expect our police to function. They are clearly executing a well thought out and thorough plan and doing it with patience, and even a bit of class and grace. Evan Solomon from CTV has been incredible giving the protestors a voice and asking fair questions without passing any judgement on any of their views. I honestly think the "nothing" we seen for the last 10-14 days action wise was starting preparations for this police action. This wasn't something throw together overnight. This is well organized and thought out it would appear. I'd love to hear what the protestors view would be if the double vaccinated all showed up to counter their protest and they become an extreme minority in the crowd vs the only voice. Those echo chambers are how these people start to view themselves as a majority and its scary for the future of our democracy as fringe groups demand extreme measures. With the additional protests going on in Quebec, Toronto and other cities in Canada I think you cannot say it's just the fringe right wingers. For that many people across Canada to take to the streets and protest there must be more going on then just a few hard core right wingers. Even in Ottawa you saw people of all walks of life. Sure, there may have been some fringe right wing groups trying to hyjack the protest, but most people there are to protest the governments mandates. There is always going to be a large silent majority, but that doesn't mean that they don't oppose the governments handling of the pandemic, currently an endemic. And keep hammering the lie that it was a protest of the unvaccinated. It never was a protest of the unvaccinated. The majority of the protesters are dubble vaxed and boostered. They just don't agree with the yellow stars that the government wants to stick on the unvaxed. Now, you are going to say that that is out of line, but nobody believed Hitler was going to kill that many Jews in the early '30 when he started singling out groups. That's why you have to be so careful with what the government wants to impose with the Emergency Act and vaccine passports. Trudeau already knows he has lost this battle but is too proud to admit defeat, cause that will mean political suicide. Personally, in the beginning I thought there were a lot of good, regular people, spearheading and populating this protest. Maybe I just really wanted to believe it. But it IS the fringe right wing wackos that are the face of this protest, and are/were the ones in charge and organizing it. And if it truly is the good, regular people that make up the bulk of the protestors, why have I NOT seen tweets/quotes/videos from these good people denouncing the wackos that hijacked their worthy protest? If these do exist, and I hope they do, please show me.
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Post by yoyomamajoe on Feb 21, 2022 6:48:22 GMT -4
With the additional protests going on in Quebec, Toronto and other cities in Canada I think you cannot say it's just the fringe right wingers. For that many people across Canada to take to the streets and protest there must be more going on then just a few hard core right wingers. Even in Ottawa you saw people of all walks of life. Sure, there may have been some fringe right wing groups trying to hyjack the protest, but most people there are to protest the governments mandates. There is always going to be a large silent majority, but that doesn't mean that they don't oppose the governments handling of the pandemic, currently an endemic. And keep hammering the lie that it was a protest of the unvaccinated. It never was a protest of the unvaccinated. The majority of the protesters are dubble vaxed and boostered. They just don't agree with the yellow stars that the government wants to stick on the unvaxed. Now, you are going to say that that is out of line, but nobody believed Hitler was going to kill that many Jews in the early '30 when he started singling out groups. That's why you have to be so careful with what the government wants to impose with the Emergency Act and vaccine passports. Trudeau already knows he has lost this battle but is too proud to admit defeat, cause that will mean political suicide. Personally, in the beginning I thought there were a lot of good, regular people, spearheading and populating this protest. Maybe I just really wanted to believe it. But it IS the fringe right wing wackos that are the face of this protest, and are/were the ones in charge and organizing it. And if it truly is the good, regular people that make up the bulk of the protestors, why have I NOT seen tweets/quotes/videos from these good people denouncing the wackos that hijacked their worthy protest? If these do exist, and I hope they do, please show me. Just look at all the protests that are sprouting up around Canada. These cannot all be organised by the same fringe right wing people as most of them have been arrested. These are ordinary Canadians of all walks of life that are fed up with the mandates and/or Trudeau personally. And so it was with the Ottawa protest. But most, ordinary Canadians didn't stay for three weeks. In order to do that you must be more radical or desperate. It doesn't help that the MSM and politicians picked out the few bad apples, that you will have at any demonstration, and used that to discredit the whole demonstration. One idiot with a swastika flag, one idiot with a confederate flag on day one and all the thousands of protesters are right wing fascists, nazist, racists, etc As a matter of fact the person with the confederate flag was asked to leave the demonstration by the protesters and the swastika flag bearer wasn't flying the swastika flag because he sympathises with the symbol, but was accusing the government of being fascist. I agree with all of you that that was not the right way of showing it, but there is always a context. So look past the incidents and look at the overall picture and you will see ordinary Canadians standing up against the mandates and/or the way this is being handled by government.
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