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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2022 17:01:35 GMT -4
There are so many Covid based threads now that have broken off into the situation in Ottawa - that it's easy to get lost. Hopefully it's OK to start a thread of its own where the protest itself is central.
I'm not strong on politics or legal matters - so threads like this and what I see on other social media maybe has a bigger influence on my opinion than it should.
I was reading on the Frank Magazine chat (for what it's worth) what people were saying about bank accounts being frozen. It seems like there are a lot of complaints that it borders on - and opens the doors - to freezing bank accounts due to political association in the future.
I don't know really. It just seems wrong to freeze Canadian bank accounts for supporting a legal cause out of one side of their mouths - while claiming that most of the funding came from outside the country (can't freeze their accounts) out of the other side.
I don't know. . .
What does everybody else think?
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Post by Captain Obvious on Feb 17, 2022 18:40:39 GMT -4
There are so many Covid based threads now that have broken off into the situation in Ottawa - that it's easy to get lost. Hopefully it's OK to start a thread of its own where the protest itself is central. I'm not strong on politics or legal matters - so threads like this and what I see on other social media maybe has a bigger influence on my opinion than it should. I was reading on the Frank Magazine chat (for what it's worth) what people were saying about bank accounts being frozen. It seems like there are a lot of complaints that it borders on - and opens the doors - to freezing bank accounts due to political association in the future. I don't know really. It just seems wrong to freeze Canadian bank accounts for supporting a legal cause out of one side of their mouths - while claiming that most of the funding came from outside the country (can't freeze their accounts) out of the other side. I don't know. . . What does everybody else think? The reason they froze them was because 60%(or thereabouts) of the money was from American far right groups, the feeling is it's a test for similar protests in the US. |
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Post by Jacques Strap on Feb 17, 2022 19:35:37 GMT -4
There are so many Covid based threads now that have broken off into the situation in Ottawa - that it's easy to get lost. Hopefully it's OK to start a thread of its own where the protest itself is central. I'm not strong on politics or legal matters - so threads like this and what I see on other social media maybe has a bigger influence on my opinion than it should. I was reading on the Frank Magazine chat (for what it's worth) what people were saying about bank accounts being frozen. It seems like there are a lot of complaints that it borders on - and opens the doors - to freezing bank accounts due to political association in the future. I don't know really. It just seems wrong to freeze Canadian bank accounts for supporting a legal cause out of one side of their mouths - while claiming that most of the funding came from outside the country (can't freeze their accounts) out of the other side. I don't know. . . What does everybody else think? Do u still feel like it is a legal cause? Unless people are living in a cave u know the Right are running the show. I think there are people in it for what they are saying the cause is but there are a lot of oblivious people walking around. They think this a joke. They are basically mocking Government. Hot tubs, pigs on a spit? I feel zero percent bad for these people and what happens to them. And I am not a fan of Trudeau whatsoever. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2022 19:58:47 GMT -4
There are so many Covid based threads now that have broken off into the situation in Ottawa - that it's easy to get lost. Hopefully it's OK to start a thread of its own where the protest itself is central. I'm not strong on politics or legal matters - so threads like this and what I see on other social media maybe has a bigger influence on my opinion than it should. I was reading on the Frank Magazine chat (for what it's worth) what people were saying about bank accounts being frozen. It seems like there are a lot of complaints that it borders on - and opens the doors - to freezing bank accounts due to political association in the future. I don't know really. It just seems wrong to freeze Canadian bank accounts for supporting a legal cause out of one side of their mouths - while claiming that most of the funding came from outside the country (can't freeze their accounts) out of the other side. I don't know. . . What does everybody else think? Do u still feel like it is a legal cause? Unless people are living in a cave u know the Right are running the show. I think there are people in it for what they are saying the cause is but there are a lot of oblivious people walking around. They think this a joke. The are basically mocking Government. Hot tubs, pigs on a spit? I feel zero percent bad for these people and what happens to them. And I am not a fan of Trudeau whatsoever. I'm scared to say one way or another because it's a no-win argument. I think that if they start actually freezing Canadian taxpayers' bank accounts - that public support for the protesters will probably grow from those who don't care one way or another. If they start freezing bank accounts - I think it could result in a large number of people looking to move in to reinforce the front lines. Starving people out isn't a good tactic for any civilized country. There are other ways - there has to be. This guy with the "let's put on the boxing gloves" mentality is taking a page from the Trump playbook. Just my opinion. . . There are usually three opinions on any matter - one side - the other side - or don't know. I don't know. That's why I'm looking for other opinions. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2022 20:23:15 GMT -4
There are so many Covid based threads now that have broken off into the situation in Ottawa - that it's easy to get lost. Hopefully it's OK to start a thread of its own where the protest itself is central. I'm not strong on politics or legal matters - so threads like this and what I see on other social media maybe has a bigger influence on my opinion than it should. I was reading on the Frank Magazine chat (for what it's worth) what people were saying about bank accounts being frozen. It seems like there are a lot of complaints that it borders on - and opens the doors - to freezing bank accounts due to political association in the future. I don't know really. It just seems wrong to freeze Canadian bank accounts for supporting a legal cause out of one side of their mouths - while claiming that most of the funding came from outside the country (can't freeze their accounts) out of the other side. I don't know. . . What does everybody else think? The reason they froze them was because 60%(or thereabouts) of the money was from American far right groups, the feeling is it's a test for similar protests in the US. I'm not at all looking to argue it - I think the protestors should have gone home after a day or two. The CBC News story says that they are looking at freezing the bank accounts of some of those taking part in the protest - as well as donors. When the early donations were being made - I considered it a legal protest - to answer the question by Jacques Strap. CBC News - Bank Accounts |
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Post by yoyomamajoe on Feb 18, 2022 9:11:39 GMT -4
This whole invoking of the emergency act is a scam. There is nothing more that the police can do now then they could two weeks ago. All they needed was more men, which the Chief of Police had been begging for until he resigned.
The only extra thing the government can do now is the freezing of the bank accounts and that is a very slippery slope to invoke such a powerful tool. They now have to label a group of peaceful protesters as terrorists in order to validate this measure. That is a very huge overreach for the government and it is going to blow back on them.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 18, 2022 9:21:08 GMT -4
This whole invoking of the emergency act is a scam. There is nothing more that the police can do now then they could two weeks ago. All they needed was more men, which the Chief of Police had been begging for until he resigned. The only extra thing the government can do now is the freezing of the bank accounts and that is a very slippery slope to invoke such a powerful tool. They now have to label a group of peaceful protesters as terrorists in order to validate this measure. That is a very huge overreach for the government and it is going to blow back on them. Perhaps but they had to do something and that emergency act lets them easily freeze the money coming in from foreign countries that are behind most of the cash flowing to these idiots. They are not at all peaceful. If I sat outside your house in a big rig blaring my horn your family would certainly not be in any peace. Just because there is no physical violence doesn't necessarily make a protest peaceful. These folks have been breaking local laws for weeks now and if the municipality won't enforce their own laws (which they are not and why the chief ended up resigning) then at some point the feds have to do something and starting by killing the funding was a common sense place to start. They're not freezing GoFundMe's of local people with diseases or house fires who need a lifeline. They're freezing the accounts of people who are refusing to follow the law and are essentially just being a nuisance. At some point a protest is answered with democracy. These people simply are upset they didn't win the last election. You can cry and whine about it outside Parliament Hill but when you're trying to over throw a democratically elected government and refusing to leave until you do...you absolutely cross over from peaceful protestors to domestic terrorist in my eyes and that line was crossed once the Pat King's joined the cause. You can't go there with an MOU to overthrow our federal government but also be called a peaceful protestor when also you're defying every noise bylaw in the city and demanding the Prime Minister do certain things that his political base elected him to not do. These people can protest at the ballot box next election like all Trudeau haters. But there's nothing peaceful about disrupting our national capital for 3 weeks. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 18, 2022 9:27:01 GMT -4
Oh and can we at least all acknowledge how brain dead their entire argument re: mandates sounds?
Canada changing our mandates still doesn't change the employment situation for these truckers. The US still has the same mandates.
So Canada changing our rules just allows unvaccinated truckers in from the US. You still can't go in the other direction. Shouldn't these Canadian truckers be in Washington protesting?
Oh, right. Once Pat King and Tamara Lich got involved this had nothing to do with truckers and mandates and become a right wing fantasy.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Feb 18, 2022 9:32:19 GMT -4
Oh and can we at least all acknowledge how brain dead their entire argument re: mandates sounds? Canada changing our mandates still doesn't change the employment situation for these truckers. The US still has the same mandates. So Canada changing our rules just allows unvaccinated truckers in from the US. You still can't go in the other direction. Shouldn't these Canadian truckers be in Washington protesting? Oh, right. Once Pat King and Tamara Lich got involved this had nothing to do with truckers and mandates and become a right wing fantasy. Walking around insulting masked locals and people working at local businesses didn't help people sympathize with their cause either. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 18, 2022 9:42:42 GMT -4
Oh and can we at least all acknowledge how brain dead their entire argument re: mandates sounds? Canada changing our mandates still doesn't change the employment situation for these truckers. The US still has the same mandates. So Canada changing our rules just allows unvaccinated truckers in from the US. You still can't go in the other direction. Shouldn't these Canadian truckers be in Washington protesting? Oh, right. Once Pat King and Tamara Lich got involved this had nothing to do with truckers and mandates and become a right wing fantasy. Walking around insulting masked locals and people working at local businesses didn't help people sympathize with their cause either. You have a short window to gain locals support on something like that. And even if you do it's going to wear out as you keep effecting their day to day. People unable to go to work...hell in some cases people were scared to go get food because they didn't want to end up looking like a protestor. Not 1 of us would view a trucker outside our home for 3 weeks being a nuisance as peaceful. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 18, 2022 12:44:13 GMT -4
Absolute chaos in Ottawa right now as they attempt to move these folks out. Lots of chanting of freedom and signing Oh Canada. Cops are doing their best to not use force but there's no way around it when you have people yelling in your face who refuse to move.
Predictable scene but an ugly one for sure. This has nothing to do with vaccine's or mandates...anyone still thinking that is being had by the fringe right wing dominating this scene at this point.
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Post by Score on Feb 18, 2022 13:16:36 GMT -4
Getting heated in Ottawa right now
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Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 18, 2022 13:27:42 GMT -4
Getting heated in Ottawa right now Both the kids I seen on CTV were no older then 12/13. Disgusting for adults to use children in this. There was an interview with a couple earlier this week. They're unable to see their 9 yr old who has cancer because they won't vaccinate. So they're in Ottawa fighting for their freedom. You couldn't make most of this stuff up if you tried. |
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Post by Jacques Strap on Feb 18, 2022 13:28:39 GMT -4
These "parents" that brought their children and actually have them right on the front line should be charged with Child Endangerment. I hope the police nail these idiots. Unbelievable to put a child in that situation.
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Post by yoyomamajoe on Feb 18, 2022 14:16:36 GMT -4
This whole invoking of the emergency act is a scam. There is nothing more that the police can do now then they could two weeks ago. All they needed was more men, which the Chief of Police had been begging for until he resigned. The only extra thing the government can do now is the freezing of the bank accounts and that is a very slippery slope to invoke such a powerful tool. They now have to label a group of peaceful protesters as terrorists in order to validate this measure. That is a very huge overreach for the government and it is going to blow back on them. Perhaps but they had to do something and that emergency act lets them easily freeze the money coming in from foreign countries that are behind most of the cash flowing to these idiots. They are not at all peaceful. If I sat outside your house in a big rig blaring my horn your family would certainly not be in any peace. Just because there is no physical violence doesn't necessarily make a protest peaceful. These folks have been breaking local laws for weeks now and if the municipality won't enforce their own laws (which they are not and why the chief ended up resigning) then at some point the feds have to do something and starting by killing the funding was a common sense place to start. They're not freezing GoFundMe's of local people with diseases or house fires who need a lifeline. They're freezing the accounts of people who are refusing to follow the law and are essentially just being a nuisance. At some point a protest is answered with democracy. These people simply are upset they didn't win the last election. You can cry and whine about it outside Parliament Hill but when you're trying to over throw a democratically elected government and refusing to leave until you do...you absolutely cross over from peaceful protestors to domestic terrorist in my eyes and that line was crossed once the Pat King's joined the cause. You can't go there with an MOU to overthrow our federal government but also be called a peaceful protestor when also you're defying every noise bylaw in the city and demanding the Prime Minister do certain things that his political base elected him to not do. These people can protest at the ballot box next election like all Trudeau haters. But there's nothing peaceful about disrupting our national capital for 3 weeks. Whether you agree with the truckers or disagree it is still an overreach of the government to invoke the Emergency Act for this. Everything the police is doing now, they could have done two weeks ago. They just needed the numbers that they have now and that is not because of the Emergency Act. Arresting the leaders and die hard protesters would have been enough. |
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