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Post by lirette on Apr 20, 2022 13:09:54 GMT -4
I would rather have correct strike calls than "skill" at framing pitches. I want batters and pitchers to show skills. I'll also add that its frustrating as hell as a fan of a sport watching a strike be thrown but called a ball because the catcher didnt hold onto it. Doesnt happen all the time but it definitely happens. The problem with human umpires is their ego. They make certain situations about themselves because they have an audience and there's very little history of their performance being held against them is seems like. So they know they can make terrible calls and be exempt from criticism. Baseball is the sport that needs on-field officials the least. We reached a point probably 2 decades ago where most instant calls are made with higher accuracy by computers, sensors, etc.I'd at least like to see how it would work vs worrying about framed pitches or where they will draw a living from if those jobs didn't exist as our society is constantly replacing human jobs with devices who can do the same job but better and without needing sick time, pensions, etc. I think the sport would be a lot better to watch if the correct calls where made all the time and there was none of this "for tonight you're allowed 3 extra inches outside to right handed batters" nonsense that we see on a normal basis. For me its quite simple, sports are about winning and losing. The officials of a sport are the biggest thing that really stand in the way of the integrity of the game being fairly won or lost. Anything that can be done within reason to improve that integrity is something I support. The financial (and time) investment that fans make into watching their favourite team is simply too high to have a game come down to an umpire with declining vision, tired from the night before, or bias for whatever reason affect the outcome of the game. I don't think the drama of an incorrect call at a pivotal moment is worth the trade off of the impact it has on teams and their fans.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 20, 2022 13:19:13 GMT -4
I'll also add that its frustrating as hell as a fan of a sport watching a strike be thrown but called a ball because the catcher didnt hold onto it. Doesnt happen all the time but it definitely happens. The problem with human umpires is their ego. They make certain situations about themselves because they have an audience and there's very little history of their performance being held against them is seems like. So they know they can make terrible calls and be exempt from criticism. Baseball is the sport that needs on-field officials the least. We reached a point probably 2 decades ago where most instant calls are made with higher accuracy by computers, sensors, etc.I'd at least like to see how it would work vs worrying about framed pitches or where they will draw a living from if those jobs didn't exist as our society is constantly replacing human jobs with devices who can do the same job but better and without needing sick time, pensions, etc. I think the sport would be a lot better to watch if the correct calls where made all the time and there was none of this "for tonight you're allowed 3 extra inches outside to right handed batters" nonsense that we see on a normal basis. For me its quite simple, sports are about winning and losing. The officials of a sport are the biggest thing that really stand in the way of the integrity of the game being fairly won or lost. Anything that can be done within reason to improve that integrity is something I support. The financial (and time) investment that fans make into watching their favourite team is simply too high to have a game come down to an umpire with declining vision, tired from the night before, or bias for whatever reason affect the outcome of the game. I don't think the drama of an incorrect call at a pivotal moment is worth the trade off of the impact it has on teams and their fans. Could not agree more. And come playoff time when the stakes are the highest you're involving even more people and not even using a system where the best at certain positions stay there. How has MLB not come to a conclusion that the best home plate umpire should be at home plate more than 1 time per series? And that they should spend time on an outfield foul line of all places? It seems laughable to even say it at this point. Why should the best umpire not just be the home plate umpire for a series? Shouldn't even have to ask this question in 2022.
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Post by pinkbeaver on Apr 20, 2022 13:38:17 GMT -4
For me its quite simple, sports are about winning and losing. The officials of a sport are the biggest thing that really stand in the way of the integrity of the game being fairly won or lost. Anything that can be done within reason to improve that integrity is something I support. The financial (and time) investment that fans make into watching their favourite team is simply too high to have a game come down to an umpire with declining vision, tired from the night before, or bias for whatever reason affect the outcome of the game. I don't think the drama of an incorrect call at a pivotal moment is worth the trade off of the impact it has on teams and their fans. Could not agree more. And come playoff time when the stakes are the highest you're involving even more people and not even using a system where the best at certain positions stay there. How has MLB not come to a conclusion that the best home plate umpire should be at home plate more than 1 time per series? And that they should spend time on an outfield foul line of all places? It seems laughable to even say it at this point. Why should the best umpire not just be the home plate umpire for a series? Shouldn't even have to ask this question in 2022. I guess it would also eliminate other human elements like impartial bias. It is going to change the game a lot though. you can start playing the position like a shortstop fielding stance if the pitcher is comfortable with that target.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 20, 2022 13:43:14 GMT -4
Could not agree more. And come playoff time when the stakes are the highest you're involving even more people and not even using a system where the best at certain positions stay there. How has MLB not come to a conclusion that the best home plate umpire should be at home plate more than 1 time per series? And that they should spend time on an outfield foul line of all places? It seems laughable to even say it at this point. Why should the best umpire not just be the home plate umpire for a series? Shouldn't even have to ask this question in 2022. I guess it would also eliminate other human elements like impartial bias. It is going to change the game a lot though. you can start playing the position like a shortstop fielding stance if the pitcher is comfortable with that target. Yeah a computer isn't going to hold your 3rd inning strike call argument against you in the 7th. Or against your pitcher in the future innings. Umpires in MLB just dig in when they're called out. There's no adjustment to attempt to call a proper strike zone. They all believe they're entitled to their own zone and its up to the players to figure it out. There are so many improvements that can be made that i'd be happy just starting with minor ones and going from there. Actually holding them accountable to their strike zones would be the biggest one. You can ruin a Tuesday game in April with your zone but you won't be umpiring anyone in September for example. Or if you're the best at strikes and balls...thats what you do for the entire 3 game series. So many simple changes that "baseball tradition" gets completely in the way of.
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Post by Score on Apr 21, 2022 16:38:50 GMT -4
Nice outing by Gausman to lead the Jays past the Red Sox this afternoon 3-2.
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Post by jimmy on Apr 21, 2022 16:59:00 GMT -4
Nice outing by Gausman to lead the Jays past the Red Sox this afternoon 3-2. Ace level performance - shutout into the 9th ... Berrios gave us a solid outing last night as well, nice to see the top of the rotation rounding into form. Manoah has been awesome, and Kikuchi looked pretty good last start as well.
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Post by coleminer on Apr 22, 2022 19:34:57 GMT -4
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Post by Score on Apr 22, 2022 19:39:36 GMT -4
You do realize that "Marty York" who you always quote is a nobody......right?
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Post by coleminer on Apr 22, 2022 19:44:15 GMT -4
You do realize that "Marty York" who you always quote is a nobody......right? Maybe in 2022. I remember him on TV when I was younger and in the old style newspapers. Anyway, he has been right, was the first to break the Hyman to Oilers news. He was often wrong back when he worked in the industry. lol
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Post by Score on Apr 23, 2022 19:07:23 GMT -4
Nice play by Vladdy to finish the fame today.
People obviously talk about his hitting......but he's very solid defensively. IMO. he's much underrated in that department
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Post by lirette on Apr 24, 2022 9:32:37 GMT -4
You do realize that "Marty York" who you always quote is a nobody......right? Maybe in 2022. I remember him on TV when I was younger and in the old style newspapers. Anyway, he has been right, was the first to break the Hyman to Oilers news. He was often wrong back when he worked in the industry. lol Well he looks pretty silly after Springer hit a leadoff Homer yesterday. Marty York gives some big old man yelling at cloud vibes. Jays could go 162-0 and he'd be complaining about something. Cynical sports commentators are no better than the pom pom waver types.
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Post by Score on Apr 28, 2022 15:49:05 GMT -4
Man, Manoah is solid.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 28, 2022 16:37:46 GMT -4
His fastball runs, so even with average velocity or slightly above he is hard to hit. Whitlock is similar but throws harder.
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Post by bois on Apr 29, 2022 8:44:59 GMT -4
Red Sox can't hit period...... aside from Bogaerts and Devers
but yeah Jays pitching so far looks especially solid....
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Post by hal on Apr 29, 2022 9:29:14 GMT -4
Red Sox can't hit period...... aside from Bogaerts and Devers but yeah Jays pitching so far looks especially solid.... So are you worried about Trevor Story being a Thin Air.... Mile High ......Coors Field Product ?
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