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Post by Score on Apr 17, 2022 10:43:07 GMT -4
Yesterday's display was simply embarrassing. Unbelievable to see so many obvious wrong calls. Montoya handled himself well....it comes a point where the umpire gives the manager no choice but to come out. As I mentioned, it was just an embarrassing showing by that home plate umpire.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Apr 17, 2022 12:00:50 GMT -4
Yesterday's display was simply embarrassing. Unbelievable to see so many obvious wrong calls. Montoya handled himself well....it comes a point where the umpire gives the manager no choice but to come out. As I mentioned, it was just an embarrassing showing by that home plate umpire. One of the worst jobs I have ever seen. And that was after he snapped back at the Jays dugout for questioning a call against Ryu that touched the strike zone and he called it a ball. Then he called pitches 6 inches off the plate strikes and missed calls clearly in the zone. Just bizarre. I was saying that SOMEONE on the Jays needs to go get tossed and tell him how bad he's been.
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Post by WhiteTyAffair on Apr 17, 2022 12:48:30 GMT -4
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Post by Score on Apr 17, 2022 13:07:29 GMT -4
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Post by coleminer on Apr 17, 2022 13:37:15 GMT -4
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Post by Jacques Strap on Apr 18, 2022 17:04:18 GMT -4
Is this his excuse for being horrible? I think he is done as a starter.
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Post by lirette on Apr 19, 2022 21:33:13 GMT -4
With Kikuchi's hard hit metrics, it would be surprising if he fares well in the AL east in smaller parks with tougher lineups(vs AL west). Both him and Ryu could be expensive middle relief guys by year end. We will have to give Kikuchi half a season to really determine how effective he can be. Held the Red Sox to 3 hits over 5 innings tonight, looked much better, caught a couple breaks from the ump but tons of weak contact as well.
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Post by Score on Apr 19, 2022 22:03:48 GMT -4
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Post by jimmy on Apr 20, 2022 7:55:42 GMT -4
Certainly seems like the Jays are facing a run of bad ball-strike calls against them. They will want to be careful that they don't get a reputation as a whiny team as that will likely just make things worse for them with the umps. Offence is cold - need to get the bats going ... Bichette, Biggio and Kirk have been cold, and in the OF, looks like Tapia and Zimmer aren't going to bring much ... looking like a downgrade from Grichuk/Dickerson.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 20, 2022 9:15:43 GMT -4
Certainly seems like the Jays are facing a run of bad ball-strike calls against them. They will want to be careful that they don't get a reputation as a whiny team as that will likely just make things worse for them with the umps. Offence is cold - need to get the bats going ... Bichette, Biggio and Kirk have been cold, and in the OF, looks like Tapia and Zimmer aren't going to bring much ... looking like a downgrade from Grichuk/Dickerson. The plate was wide for both teams, JDM and Arroyo both struck out on pitches that were at least 3-4 inches outside.
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Post by pinkbeaver on Apr 20, 2022 12:05:23 GMT -4
Robot umps sound great on the surface. and maybe for some fans they are. But it will also take away some great things from the game. How a Catcher frames pitches and works with the umpire to get calls has always been something I watched for in a game. How a catcher may catch one just off the black in the tip of the webbing of his glove to give the appearance it was on the corner. that skill is gone. Maybe that's something the common fan doesn't care about. How about catchers fielding stance. You would have to assume they would stand in a position that allows them to be most efficient throwing to 2nd base when runners are on. Now we're talking about steal attempts also going way down as a result. another exciting part of the game being eliminated. Watching a game live, fans booing a bad call is exciting and that will be gone as well. What the game will win in accuracy, they may lose in emotion and intensity. Players will never throw a tantrum; no coaches ejected. the sport is boring and the accuracy of call will add to that. I don't think robot umps does anything more than alleviates frustration of teams and fans. The game/product itself itself won't be any better as a result.
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Post by lirette on Apr 20, 2022 12:21:18 GMT -4
Robot umps sound great on the surface. and maybe for some fans they are. But it will also take away some great things from the game. How a Catcher frames pitches and works with the umpire to get calls has always been something I watched for in a game. How a catcher may catch one just off the black in the tip of the webbing of his glove to give the appearance it was on the corner. that skill is gone. Maybe that's something the common fan doesn't care about.How about catchers fielding stance. You would have to assume they would stand in a position that allows them to be most efficient throwing to 2nd base when runners are on. Now we're talking about steal attempts also going way down as a result. another exciting part of the game being eliminated. Watching a game live, fans booing a bad call is exciting and that will be gone as well. What the game will win in accuracy, they may lose in emotion and intensity. Players will never throw a tantrum; no coaches ejected. the sport is boring and the accuracy of call will add to that. I don't think robot umps does anything more than alleviates frustration of teams and fans. The game/product itself itself won't be any better as a result. It's not that I don't care about it, but I would much prefer the correct call is made in a game where a 2-2 count vs a 3-1 count makes a world of difference. If I'm watching 2 entirely neutral baseball teams to me then sure I love seeing the umpires argue with coaches about the strike zone, but when I'm cheering on my favourite team, I would prefer they not lose a game because the umpire has created his own strike zone out of nowhere. I would imagine more fans spend time watching their favourite team vs watching 2 random teams play on a Wednesday afternoon. If umpires were ever held accountable for how bad they are I may feel differently, but some of the younger up and comers who actually call decent games never get to umpire playoff games because of seniority. If the MLB is never going to address that then bring in the robot umps. Jeff Nelson is making the same mistakes he made years ago in the playoffs during Jays / Royals. I'm also in support of many things that speed up the game, regular season MLB games should not be regularly hitting the 3 hour mark. I think if someone thinks baseball is boring, I cant imagine the chance that someone once a month argues balls and strikes with an umpire gets tossed will actually get them to invest in the product any differently.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 20, 2022 12:31:27 GMT -4
Robot umps sound great on the surface. and maybe for some fans they are. But it will also take away some great things from the game. How a Catcher frames pitches and works with the umpire to get calls has always been something I watched for in a game. How a catcher may catch one just off the black in the tip of the webbing of his glove to give the appearance it was on the corner. that skill is gone. Maybe that's something the common fan doesn't care about. How about catchers fielding stance. You would have to assume they would stand in a position that allows them to be most efficient throwing to 2nd base when runners are on. Now we're talking about steal attempts also going way down as a result. another exciting part of the game being eliminated. Watching a game live, fans booing a bad call is exciting and that will be gone as well. What the game will win in accuracy, they may lose in emotion and intensity. Players will never throw a tantrum; no coaches ejected. the sport is boring and the accuracy of call will add to that. I don't think robot umps does anything more than alleviates frustration of teams and fans. The game/product itself itself won't be any better as a result. I would rather have correct strike calls than "skill" at framing pitches. I want batters and pitchers to show skills.
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Post by pinkbeaver on Apr 20, 2022 12:48:31 GMT -4
Robot umps sound great on the surface. and maybe for some fans they are. But it will also take away some great things from the game. How a Catcher frames pitches and works with the umpire to get calls has always been something I watched for in a game. How a catcher may catch one just off the black in the tip of the webbing of his glove to give the appearance it was on the corner. that skill is gone. Maybe that's something the common fan doesn't care about.How about catchers fielding stance. You would have to assume they would stand in a position that allows them to be most efficient throwing to 2nd base when runners are on. Now we're talking about steal attempts also going way down as a result. another exciting part of the game being eliminated. Watching a game live, fans booing a bad call is exciting and that will be gone as well. What the game will win in accuracy, they may lose in emotion and intensity. Players will never throw a tantrum; no coaches ejected. the sport is boring and the accuracy of call will add to that. I don't think robot umps does anything more than alleviates frustration of teams and fans. The game/product itself itself won't be any better as a result. It's not that I don't care about it, but I would much prefer the correct call is made in a game where a 2-2 count vs a 3-1 count makes a world of difference. If I'm watching 2 entirely neutral baseball teams to me then sure I love seeing the umpires argue with coaches about the strike zone, but when I'm cheering on my favourite team, I would prefer they not lose a game because the umpire has created his own strike zone out of nowhere. I would imagine more fans spend time watching their favourite team vs watching 2 random teams play on a Wednesday afternoon. If umpires were ever held accountable for how bad they are I may feel differently, but some of the younger up and comers who actually call decent games never get to umpire playoff games because of seniority. If the MLB is never going to address that then bring in the robot umps. Jeff Nelson is making the same mistakes he made years ago in the playoffs during Jays / Royals. I'm also in support of many things that speed up the game, regular season MLB games should not be regularly hitting the 3 hour mark. I think if someone thinks baseball is boring, I cant imagine the chance that someone once a month argues balls and strikes with an umpire gets tossed will actually get them to invest in the product any differently. I can agree with most of that. And I agree fans dont tune in for the off chance a heated ejection occurs. just noting its a thing that will no longer exist. I know nothing about how the union works but it seems the best solution is to find a way to get your star umpires behind the dish. maybe an umpire specializes in one position on the field (the same way players do) and you pay your star plate umpires more. If you could find a way to get the best umpires behind the plate the need for robo umps/more accuracy probably isn't being discussed. The game Sunday Toronto vs Oakland. there were calls being made 5-7 inches off the plate and that is simply unacceptable for any professional to be that bad at their job. You wouldn't ever see umpiring that bad here in an NB senior game.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 20, 2022 12:51:26 GMT -4
Robot umps sound great on the surface. and maybe for some fans they are. But it will also take away some great things from the game. How a Catcher frames pitches and works with the umpire to get calls has always been something I watched for in a game. How a catcher may catch one just off the black in the tip of the webbing of his glove to give the appearance it was on the corner. that skill is gone. Maybe that's something the common fan doesn't care about. How about catchers fielding stance. You would have to assume they would stand in a position that allows them to be most efficient throwing to 2nd base when runners are on. Now we're talking about steal attempts also going way down as a result. another exciting part of the game being eliminated. Watching a game live, fans booing a bad call is exciting and that will be gone as well. What the game will win in accuracy, they may lose in emotion and intensity. Players will never throw a tantrum; no coaches ejected. the sport is boring and the accuracy of call will add to that. I don't think robot umps does anything more than alleviates frustration of teams and fans. The game/product itself itself won't be any better as a result. I would rather have correct strike calls than "skill" at framing pitches. I want batters and pitchers to show skills. I'll also add that its frustrating as hell as a fan of a sport watching a strike be thrown but called a ball because the catcher didnt hold onto it. Doesnt happen all the time but it definitely happens. The problem with human umpires is their ego. They make certain situations about themselves because they have an audience and there's very little history of their performance being held against them is seems like. So they know they can make terrible calls and be exempt from criticism. Baseball is the sport that needs on-field officials the least. We reached a point probably 2 decades ago where most instant calls are made with higher accuracy by computers, sensors, etc.I'd at least like to see how it would work vs worrying about framed pitches or where they will draw a living from if those jobs didn't exist as our society is constantly replacing human jobs with devices who can do the same job but better and without needing sick time, pensions, etc. I think the sport would be a lot better to watch if the correct calls where made all the time and there was none of this "for tonight you're allowed 3 extra inches outside to right handed batters" nonsense that we see on a normal basis.
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