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Post by classiccaper on May 27, 2022 11:56:18 GMT -4
In listening to Hanna talk about the upcoming draft, he mentions #1, #11 , #18 and #26....I thought the Eagles had 3 in the 2nd round...19 , 2(BLB) and 2 (CHA). Did he just run out of excitement at #26 or is that pick gone or about to be gone? Lots of talk of someone coming over from Charlottetown. We didn't acquire that 2nd in the Stairs deal but a future part of that deal being that CHA 2nd for a Roy or Biakabutuka may make sense. thats why i am thinking that charlottetown 2nd wasnt mentioned. And the rumour of lawrence coming makes me think the st john 2nd in 2023 would be sent to them. If thats the case, i can get behind both of those deals. As long as we arent moving 1sts. Flip those guys at christmas i hope.
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 27, 2022 12:07:30 GMT -4
Lots of talk of someone coming over from Charlottetown. We didn't acquire that 2nd in the Stairs deal but a future part of that deal being that CHA 2nd for a Roy or Biakabutuka may make sense. thats why i am thinking that charlottetown 2nd wasnt mentioned. And the rumour of lawrence coming makes me think the st john 2nd in 2023 would be sent to them. If thats the case, i can get behind both of those deals. As long as we arent moving 1sts. Flip those guys at christmas i hope. I realize people will speculate either way but bringing in leadership only to ship it out in 6 months might not be the best thing to do. You definitely evaluate where you are at Xmas and make a plan but moving 20's in and out and in again while trying to cultivate a young core doesn't scream stability to me. Use Langlois as the big trade chip and keep some leadership and production in place while the Squires, Ouellet's and Patterson's gain their experience would be my plan.
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Post by classiccaper on May 27, 2022 12:14:11 GMT -4
thats why i am thinking that charlottetown 2nd wasnt mentioned. And the rumour of lawrence coming makes me think the st john 2nd in 2023 would be sent to them. If thats the case, i can get behind both of those deals. As long as we arent moving 1sts. Flip those guys at christmas i hope. I realize people will speculate either way but bringing in leadership only to ship it out in 6 months might not be the best thing to do. You definitely evaluate where you are at Xmas and make a plan but moving 20's in and out and in again while trying to cultivate a young core doesn't scream stability to me. Use Langlois as the big trade chip and keep some leadership and production in place while the Squires, Ouellet's and Patterson's gain their experience would be my plan. i agree with you. But, these werent really the 20s that the eagles needed for stability. They could have had a similar path with current 20s or mid round 20s. I feel by acquiring these types of 20s were to try and gain added value and bring in experience for the short time they are here while gaining more value as tradeable assets. They have no ties to CB so why would they want to be 20s on a rebuilding team if they have a chance to be moved to a potential contender at christmas. Somewhat of a similar situation to shawn element except we had him for an extra half year. I dont agree with bringing in new 20s year after year. Iys a waste of assets of our own. Build your team through the draft, have your homegrown players be your 20s especially in a rebuilding phase. No need to high end 20s when you arent contending anytime soon.
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Post by JEagle on May 27, 2022 12:14:22 GMT -4
Sylvain Couturier resigned today.
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Post by eagleeye on May 27, 2022 12:19:09 GMT -4
very very interesting J
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 27, 2022 12:31:52 GMT -4
I realize people will speculate either way but bringing in leadership only to ship it out in 6 months might not be the best thing to do. You definitely evaluate where you are at Xmas and make a plan but moving 20's in and out and in again while trying to cultivate a young core doesn't scream stability to me. Use Langlois as the big trade chip and keep some leadership and production in place while the Squires, Ouellet's and Patterson's gain their experience would be my plan. i agree with you. But, these werent really the 20s that the eagles needed for stability. They could have had a similar path with current 20s or mid round 20s. I feel by acquiring these types of 20s were to try and gain added value and bring in experience for the short time they are here while gaining more value as tradeable assets. They have no ties to CB so why would they want to be 20s on a rebuilding team if they have a chance to be moved to a potential contender at christmas. Somewhat of a similar situation to shawn element except we had him for an extra half year. I dont agree with bringing in new 20s year after year. Iys a waste of assets of our own. Build your team through the draft, have your homegrown players be your 20s especially in a rebuilding phase. No need to high end 20s when you arent contending anytime soon. I assume some teams in the division will also need to be entering rebuilds. By Xmas could this be a middle of the pack team? I don't know the Quebec teams well enough to say for sure. I can't see ownership being in say 8th-10th and being able to get a haul for Langlois and decide to sell more. But maybe thinking they could even improve that much through development and adding 2 solid overagers is a bad assumption on my part.
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 27, 2022 12:33:48 GMT -4
Sylvain Couturier resigned today. I'd expect something from the Eagles over the next few days announcing his hiring as our new GM.
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Post by scotiahockey on May 27, 2022 12:41:55 GMT -4
Sylvain Couturier resigned today. I'd expect something from the Eagles over the next few days announcing his hiring as our new GM. If he does and Simon gives him the go ahead, there may not be a traditional rebuild here. Hasn’t been Sly’s style recently. If that’s the road they go, best of luck to the Eagles.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2022 12:44:17 GMT -4
I have no issue with bringing a high value 20 if he is the right fit. Not every 20 is cut out to lead a young team thru the highs and lows of a tough season, as we seen with Girouard. A guy like Lawerence and I don't know the kid, could come in have a great first half, be moved for some good value and have him finish on a contender. If you don't move him, he is likely pissed off by February and he becomes more of a pain then an asset. Thinking about the drama that surrounded that kid thru his minor hockey and then the rumored "wouldn't report" to the Q BS, while St John likely had a deal in place with the family all along, makes me nervous that the old I in Team will come shining thru. Hope I am wrong.
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Post by bois on May 27, 2022 12:54:22 GMT -4
thats why i am thinking that charlottetown 2nd wasnt mentioned. And the rumour of lawrence coming makes me think the st john 2nd in 2023 would be sent to them. If thats the case, i can get behind both of those deals. As long as we arent moving 1sts. Flip those guys at christmas i hope. I realize people will speculate either way but bringing in leadership only to ship it out in 6 months might not be the best thing to do. You definitely evaluate where you are at Xmas and make a plan but moving 20's in and out and in again while trying to cultivate a young core doesn't scream stability to me. Use Langlois as the big trade chip and keep some leadership and production in place while the Squires, Ouellet's and Patterson's gain their experience would be my plan. from following along and listening to your owners interview with Patrick.... i don't see you bringing in high end 20's to ship them out at Christmas..... i think he thinks you guys can take a real jump next year in the standings... and he's probably right as the division will be quite a bit weaker next year for sure.
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 27, 2022 14:40:27 GMT -4
I have no issue with bringing a high value 20 if he is the right fit. Not every 20 is cut out to lead a young team thru the highs and lows of a tough season, as we seen with Girouard. A guy like Lawerence and I don't know the kid, could come in have a great first half, be moved for some good value and have him finish on a contender. If you don't move him, he is likely pissed off by February and he becomes more of a pain then an asset. Thinking about the drama that surrounded that kid thru his minor hockey and then the rumored "wouldn't report" to the Q BS, while St John likely had a deal in place with the family all along, makes me nervous that the old I in Team will come shining thru. Hope I am wrong. Every year there are kids who play games to go where they want to play at 16/17. And we regularly see how by 19/20 they're mostly (I say this as NTC's do exist) just normal players in the league...assets to move based on the cycle. That's partly why they play those games at the draft. At 20 with no pro options the least of my worries is his attitude in February. Its how he performs and carries himself in the months before that. Nobody is saying to force a kid who wants a better situation to play here or nowhere. Just saying that the team isn't acquiring players with an immediate eye to what they can bring back in December. I can see us both buying AND selling in December. Langlois going out...17's and 18's coming in. If an overager does want to go to a contender and you have a fair offer...you weight it at that point around the deadline. You just don't go into the draft with a plan to flip everyone you add as leadership and reasons to buy tickets in the Fall.
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 27, 2022 14:44:50 GMT -4
I realize people will speculate either way but bringing in leadership only to ship it out in 6 months might not be the best thing to do. You definitely evaluate where you are at Xmas and make a plan but moving 20's in and out and in again while trying to cultivate a young core doesn't scream stability to me. Use Langlois as the big trade chip and keep some leadership and production in place while the Squires, Ouellet's and Patterson's gain their experience would be my plan. from following along and listening to your owners interview with Patrick.... i don't see you bringing in high end 20's to ship them out at Christmas..... i think he thinks you guys can take a real jump next year in the standings... and he's probably right as the division will be quite a bit weaker next year for sure. Agreed. I think they see teams taking a step back that have been on opposite ends of our cycle and think adding some talent will at least get them somewhat back to respectability and out of the bottom of the league.
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Post by hal on May 27, 2022 16:59:13 GMT -4
from following along and listening to your owners interview with Patrick.... i don't see you bringing in high end 20's to ship them out at Christmas..... i think he thinks you guys can take a real jump next year in the standings... and he's probably right as the division will be quite a bit weaker next year for sure. Agreed. I think they see teams taking a step back that have been on opposite ends of our cycle and think adding some talent will at least get them somewhat back to respectability and out of the bottom of the league. They ( Shaw and Hanna ) all seem to be singing from the Same Song Sheet and the Composer is Our Owner , Irwin Simon . Listen to him and one thing you know for sure , he's in this for the Long Haul so I don't think we are going anywhere anytime soon , having a Gazillion Dollars affords you this way of thinking . Has there been any mention of any GM Candidates other than this Sly Fella outta Bathurst ? The Year Bathurst won the Memorial Cup was that a Traditional Cycle or a two year Successful Build hitting on all their Trades ? Have the people on the Bathurst Board hear anything concrete on their Guy relocating to Cape Breton Island ?
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 27, 2022 18:27:46 GMT -4
Agreed. I think they see teams taking a step back that have been on opposite ends of our cycle and think adding some talent will at least get them somewhat back to respectability and out of the bottom of the league. They ( Shaw and Hanna ) all seem to be singing from the Same Song Sheet and the Composer is Our Owner , Irwin Simon . Listen to him and one thing you know for sure , he's in this for the Long Haul so I don't think we are going anywhere anytime soon , having a Gazillion Dollars affords you this way of thinking . Has there been any mention of any GM Candidates other than this Sly Fella outta Bathurst ? The Year Bathurst won the Memorial Cup was that a Traditional Cycle or a two year Successful Build hitting on all their Trades ? Have the people on the Bathurst Board hear anything concrete on their Guy relocating to Cape Breton Island ? Bathurst has a majority owner calling all the shots now. I doubt the local people there are hearing much as the old ownership group was large and with the change I can see very few locals being in the know as the new owner takes control of everything. Couturier sounds like he has some legal challenges ahead with that owner based on his own comments today so maybe that changes things. In terms of how they built that contender: 2013 14th overall - Guillame Brisebois 5th overall later moved for a 1st and 2nd at 2016 draft 2014 14th overall - Maher 6th overall part of 2018 core 2015 last overall - Morand 2nd overall part of 2018 core 2016 14th overall - Dobson 6th overall part of 2018 core 2017 6th overall 2018 Memorial Cup champs traded for Asselin, Fitzpatrick, Balmas, Rubtsov, Galipeau They traded deep at the end of a traditional cycle. Since they won...everyone views that as worth it. Especially as it was a hail mary attempt from ownership that was completed...but they were down 7 and missed the extra point. What I mean by that is they won but it didnt create any new fans short term. By the next season the players were all gone and the fans that filled the barn all spring didn't support the team following it.
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Post by JEagle on Jun 4, 2022 13:54:22 GMT -4
Here's who's eligible to be back next season before any trades get completed at the draft in July.
Forwards: (12) Logan Camp 20yo Ivan Ivan 20yo Charles Savoie 19yo Jack Campbell 19yo Carter McCluskey 19yo Kian Bell 19yo Matthew MacDonald 19yo Peter Repcik 18yo Kiefer Lyons 18yo Lucas Canning 18yo Matis Ouellet 17yo Cam Squires 17yo
Defence: (6) Romain Rodzinski 20yo Jacob Squires 19yo Conor Shortall 19yo Jérémy Langlois 19yo François-James Buteau 18yo Emile Perron 17yo
Goalies: (2) Rémi Delafontaine 18yo Nicolas Ruccia 18yo
(3) Twenty Year Olds (8) Nine-teen Year Olds (6) Eight-teen Year Olds (3) Seven-teen Year Olds
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