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Post by hal on May 24, 2022 20:21:38 GMT -4
Depending how much someone wants this # 1 ranked D, or #2 ranked goalie, trading down could make sense this year for the Eagles. The Eagles priority would seem to be a top forward selection. If any or all of Victoriaville, Chicoutimi, and BC show interest in moving up it would seem to make sense this year for the Eagles, especially if there is any truth to the rumour of them moving the 11th overall for a 20y/o. 11th Overall for a 20 ? ...Now that would not be the Smartest Thing to do ........unless it has already been done .
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Post by classiccaper on May 24, 2022 20:27:39 GMT -4
Personally i am hoping for the goalie d'aigle or a forward poirriwr/l'italien
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Post by hal on May 24, 2022 20:30:38 GMT -4
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Post by gocapebreton on May 25, 2022 7:43:09 GMT -4
Personally i am hoping for the goalie d'aigle or a forward poirriwr/l'italien I think if their target is a goalie or Dman, then they would have to pick first. If the target is a forward, it would depend if Vic and Chic both come knocking to move up to get the goalie or dman. If both Vic and Chic are going after the goalie, it may give the Eagles leverage to move down one or two spots to pick up an extra first in a relatively deep draft.
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 25, 2022 8:49:47 GMT -4
I thought the last council was bad but this crew is making some brutal choices. To sell the building now makes zero sense. The CBRM controlling that facility is in the best interests of everyone unless they want to sell it to Simon and see the Serco situation repeat itself all over again. All the discussions that should be having and this is what they're interested in getting information on...I just don't get it. They've literally been quoted as saying "there is money to go around" and they want to now start selling assets? Shouldn't the conversations be how can we invest in C200 to modernize it a bit as a 35 year old building now? I mean they should be but thinking someone else will pay to have the work done is the easier way out I guess.
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Post by classiccaper on May 25, 2022 9:24:58 GMT -4
Personally i am hoping for the goalie d'aigle or a forward poirriwr/l'italien I think if their target is a goalie or Dman, then they would have to pick first. If the target is a forward, it would depend if Vic and Chic both come knocking to move up to get the goalie or dman. If both Vic and Chic are going after the goalie, it may give the Eagles leverage to move down one or two spots to pick up an extra first in a relatively deep draft. yeah i seen chicoutimi has 4 picks in the 1st round i believe (3, 12, 13, 18) and victo has a couple. BC has 4 and 5. Possibilities
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2022 9:56:37 GMT -4
Congratulations to the Eagles on landing the 1st overall pick! I actually think that if a team is so distant in last place overall in the standings - they should be awarded the 1st overall pick by default in the name of fairness.
The reason for a draft lottery should be to eliminate the possibility of throwing games - but sometimes the fairest thing overall is to help your league's weakest link. The Eagles finished in last place - a whopping 22 points behind the next lowest team. Had they not won the lottery - it would have been a farce.
It's going to be a chore to identify the top pick - especially for the Eagles as a franchise. It isn't a situation where the BPA is necessarily the right option for the franchise going forward.
In my own very limited opinion - none of the top 3 ranked CSR prospects for the draft is the right choice for the Eagles.
1. Tomas Lavoie - 6'3" and about 185 lbs. - 2 and a half zone D-man - will likely never put up big offensive numbers (Craig Eagles) - great skater for his size - likes the physical game - with size and numbers that project almost identically to those of Dylan MacKinnon at the same age. He doesn't do anything spectacularly and is unlikely to put a lot of fans in the seats once the novelty of being the 1st overall pick wears off. He would definitely help as a cornerstone of a winning team on the ice - but doesn't have 'wow' skills. I remember having a similar conversation here on the board about Evan Nause a couple of years ago.
2. D'Aigle - the best goalie prospect in years according to many - a 19-15 won-loss record this season (3-5 in the playoffs) - and very unproven in things like rebound control - glove - and handling the puck. He'll likely play in the NHL some day - but it takes years to develop in Junior hockey. If it was a question of stepping right in and being a dominant goalie - great - but chances are - you're looking at possibly 3 years down the road to even be your number 1 goalie. Is that what you're looking for with your opportunity at a franchise player in Major Junior with the 1st overall pick? I'm sure there are many who will say YES to that question - and I do understand that logic. IMO though - you're better off to go after a player from another position who is more developed and more of a sure thing to pay off over the next four seasons. That's just my opinion - and look no further than Vincent Filion who was also regarded as "the best goaltender to come along in years" in his draft year.
3. Sacha Boisvert - already signed to play in the US next season - and his own agent has gone on record as saying he will be going the NCAA route - not a maybe - he says he WILL be going NCAA. I guess CSR simply tries to rank the players on skills and upside - and not so much on projecting which route they go - but for a QMJHL based draft - maybe they should factor in those things. . . Unless somebody has an under the table pact with Boisvert - I can't see him even being drafted in the 1st round. There could be some outside the box thinking - like taking him and turning it into a top 5 pick in next year's draft that some already think is stronger than this draft class.
The Eagles' scouting staff and a new GM are facing a daunting task - IMO.
I'm just a fan here on this forum - and these are my own personal opinions. Nobody should accept or go by anything I have to say - but just meaning that - IMO - none of the top three ranked CSR prospects is the BPA to go to as the number 1 draft choice by the Eagles this year.
Do I think I'm a better evaluator of talent than the CSR scouts? Hell no! They are professionals who are paid to do what they do - and they are very good at it. I'm a fan - and not even a good fan a lot of the time. I've actually had fist fights in the stands over the years and some people think I'm out and out crazy. . . I remember one night in Springhill outside the rink after a game - a bunch of us were rocking the visitor's bus trying to overturn it. Don't go by me about anything!
The Eagles have the coveted 1st pick - but it might very well be the toughest number 1 pick to have since the draft began. I'd probably listen to offers and possibly even try to draft a bit lower and get the best goal scorer in the draft - and the exact type of player they missed out on last year in Tyler Peddle.
I wish there was a way to discuss things like this without seeming to knock exceptional young talent like D'aigle and Lavoie - something I'm truly not trying to do. There's just no other way to accomplish it when discussing what needs to be a franchise player for the Eagles' organization. They can't afford to make the wrong choice. You need to maximize your chances for success in identifying the right player for your franchise over the next four seasons.
Congratulations again to the Eagles - but they really - REALLY need to do their homework.
Having said all of that - I would guess that the Eagles will go with D'Aigle with the 1st pick - and the Eagles' people, as is, are way over and above me when it comes to evaluating their needs as an organization. I wish them nothing but the best going forward.
I used to go down for games when the Pepsi Islanders played the first season in the new rink. They led the MJAHL in attendance by a mile and their fans were as loud and as voracious as I had ever seen in Junior A. They loved their hockey. The older I get - the more I like Cape Breton. It's my favourite place to visit in Canada - and there's no reason they can't make it one of the better places to play in the QMJHL with a bit of work and a winning team on the ice.
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 25, 2022 11:15:34 GMT -4
Congratulations to the Eagles on landing the 1st overall pick! I actually think that if a team is so distant in last place overall in the standings - they should be awarded the 1st overall pick by default in the name of fairness. The reason for a draft lottery should be to eliminate the possibility of throwing games - but sometimes the fairest thing overall is to help your league's weakest link. The Eagles finished in last place - a whopping 22 points behind the next lowest team. Had they not won the lottery - it would have been a farce. I'm with you on this one. The sports world was too caught up in tanking. And at this level...you're just hurting teams that are terrible with a lottery. And the teams are all tanking if they're not trying to win so what does a lottery accomplish? The NFL has no lottery. Owners who want to tank. But its also the most successful league in North America. For this level a lottery is not necessary at all in my opinion It's going to be a chore to identify the top pick - especially for the Eagles as a franchise. It isn't a situation where the BPA is necessarily the right option for the franchise going forward. In my own very limited opinion - none of the top 3 ranked CSR prospects for the draft is the right choice for the Eagles. 1. Tomas Lavoie - 6'3" and about 185 lbs. - 2 and a half zone D-man - will likely never put up big offensive numbers (Craig Eagles) - great skater for his size - likes the physical game - with size and numbers that project almost identically to those of Dylan MacKinnon at the same age. He doesn't do anything spectacularly and is unlikely to put a lot of fans in the seats once the novelty of being the 1st overall pick wears off. He would definitely help as a cornerstone of a winning team on the ice - but doesn't have 'wow' skills. I remember having a similar conversation here on the board about Evan Nause a couple of years ago. 2. D'Aigle - the best goalie prospect in years according to many - a 19-15 won-loss record this season (3-5 in the playoffs) - and very unproven in things like rebound control - glove - and handling the puck. He'll likely play in the NHL some day - but it takes years to develop in Junior hockey. If it was a question of stepping right in and being a dominant goalie - great - but chances are - you're looking at possibly 3 years down the road to even be your number 1 goalie. Is that what you're looking for with your opportunity at a franchise player in Major Junior with the 1st overall pick? I'm sure there are many who will say YES to that question - and I do understand that logic. IMO though - you're better off to go after a player from another position who is more developed and more of a sure thing to pay off over the next four seasons. That's just my opinion - and look no further than Vincent Filion who was also regarded as "the best goaltender to come along in years" in his draft year. 3. Sacha Boisvert - already signed to play in the US next season - and his own agent has gone on record as saying he will be going the NCAA route - not a maybe - he says he WILL be going NCAA. I guess CSR simply tries to rank the players on skills and upside - and not so much on projecting which route they go - but for a QMJHL based draft - maybe they should factor in those things. . . Unless somebody has an under the table pact with Boisvert - I can't see him even being drafted in the 1st round. There could be some outside the box thinking - like taking him and turning it into a top 5 pick in next year's draft that some already think is stronger than this draft class. The Eagles' scouting staff and a new GM are facing a daunting task - IMO. I'm just a fan here on this forum - and these are my own personal opinions. Nobody should accept or go by anything I have to say - but just meaning that - IMO - none of the top three ranked CSR prospects is the BPA to go to as the number 1 draft choice by the Eagles this year. Do I think I'm a better evaluator of talent than the CSR scouts? Hell no! They are professionals who are paid to do what they do - and they are very good at it. I'm a fan - and not even a good fan a lot of the time. I've actually had fist fights in the stands over the years and some people think I'm out and out crazy. . . I remember one night in Springhill outside the rink after a game - a bunch of us were rocking the visitor's bus trying to overturn it. Don't go by me about anything! The Eagles have the coveted 1st pick - but it might very well be the toughest number 1 pick to have since the draft began. I'd probably listen to offers and possibly even try to draft a bit lower and get the best goal scorer in the draft - and the exact type of player they missed out on last year in Tyler Peddle. I wish there was a way to discuss things like this without seeming to knock exceptional young talent like D'aigle and Lavoie - something I'm truly not trying to do. There's just no other way to accomplish it when discussing what needs to be a franchise player for the Eagles' organization. They can't afford to make the wrong choice. You need to maximize your chances for success in identifying the right player for your franchise over the next four seasons. Congratulations again to the Eagles - but they really - REALLY need to do their homework. Having said all of that - I would guess that the Eagles will go with D'Aigle with the 1st pick - and the Eagles' people, as is, are way over and above me when it comes to evaluating their needs as an organization. I wish them nothing but the best going forward. I used to go down for games when the Pepsi Islanders played the first season in the new rink. They led the MJAHL in attendance by a mile and their fans were as loud and as voracious as I had ever seen in Junior A. They loved their hockey. The older I get - the more I like Cape Breton. It's my favourite place to visit in Canada - and there's no reason they can't make it one of the better places to play in the QMJHL with a bit of work and a winning team on the ice. The biggest issue they have now is that there's no room for error or games with this pick. They can't pick someone out of spite hoping to get a ransom like the Roy situation. They need to identify the BPA for them and pick the kid #1 overall and give their marketing people a chance to show the fan base how a new era is beginning for Eagles hockey. I've said before i'm ok with a goalie #1. So I have no issue if thats the route as I can see how you turn that into other assets with the goaltending already in place. But if there's an elite scorer...someone that might put people in seats at 18/19...the owner has to make a commitment to the next generation of Eagles and see if punching above our weight sees a long term pay off because running this like a small market means the franchise is on life support. We can't afford to have every kid say no and trade down again for a shitty return...they have to hit a home run here. We have a big enough rink that we can see 4500+ for big games. But we'll never get that without some investment in the product and now we have the perfect situation to completely change our image with this draft.
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 25, 2022 11:17:17 GMT -4
Depending how much someone wants this # 1 ranked D, or #2 ranked goalie, trading down could make sense this year for the Eagles. The Eagles priority would seem to be a top forward selection. If any or all of Victoriaville, Chicoutimi, and BC show interest in moving up it would seem to make sense this year for the Eagles, especially if there is any truth to the rumour of them moving the 11th overall for a 20y/o. 11th Overall for a 20 ? ...Now that would not be the Smartest Thing to do ........unless it has already been done . That came from my own thoughts that if Josh Lawrence is coming here...the asset going back makes sense to be that other 1st rounder. We're apparently keeping their 2024 1st so if you see Lawrence for that pick as the futures I think the entire deal makes more sense. But that has no sources and is just completely speculation.
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Post by JEagle on May 25, 2022 12:25:50 GMT -4
Eagles posted this today make of it what you will.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2022 20:12:13 GMT -4
In the interview with the owner posted earlier - he seems to speak enthusiastically about possibly drafting "a scoring forward who could get the fans excited" before tailing off with "or a defenceman or a goalie." Anyway - if he's still available at number 11 - Maxime Masse is a pretty exciting player and a goal scorer. 7. CSR 14
2006 MAXIM MASSE, College Notre-Dame U18 5'11" - 161 lbs. Right Wing: Shoots RSEASON | TEAM / LEAGUE | GP | G | A | PTS. | PIM | 2019-20 | Ecole de Mistral LHPS M15 Majeur | 24 | 30* | 22* | 52* | 6 | 2020-21 | Ecole de Mistral LHPS M15 Majeur | - | - | - | - | - | 2021-22 | Coll. Notre-Dame Albatros QM18AAA | 40 | 26 | 17 | 43 | 10 | 2021-22 | Team Black QMJHL Cup | 4 | 2 | 3 | 5 | 0 |
Maxim Masse is a natural goal scorer. He can bury a laser wrist shot from anywhere in the home plate area or go through the legs to roof the puck from in close. He's always dangerous around the net and the puck seems to follow him around. He knows where to be.
In playing style, he has good speed and protects the puck well. He's one of those players who can snipe bar down as he goes to the outside and cuts back towards the net from a sharp angle. He seems to have a knack for picking off opponents' passes in the neutral zone or on the breakout. He has also become an efficient passer, making him even more of an offensive threat with the East-West game.
He led the local high school league in goals (30); assists (22) and points (52) in a 24 game schedule three seasons ago. This season, as an U18 rookie, he finished 3rd in the league in goals (26) and 11th in points (43).
In analytics, he finished 1st on his team by a country mile in CORSI (136), 1st in SOG (179) and 2nd in player index (141). For a first year player, he was dominant. He's very skilled and has good size - already 5'11" and 163 lbs.
Maxim is listed as one of the 33 'A' players on the latest CSR release. He is mentioned as a bottom half of the 1st round pick in the upcoming Q draft by a couple of sources. I would venture a guess that he could go a bit higher.
Back in the days when John Brophy was coaching, he'd tell the new tryouts in training camps to "go out there and do something that makes me notice you." That's exactly what Maxim Masse does - he makes you take notice when he's on the ice. I can't say that he'll be another Zachary L'Heureux, but he plays a similar style.
Maxime had a strong QMJHL Cup showing putting up 2-3-5 totals in 4 games.
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Post by habsfan29 on May 25, 2022 21:20:55 GMT -4
11th Overall for a 20 ? ...Now that would not be the Smartest Thing to do ........unless it has already been done . That came from my own thoughts that if Josh Lawrence is coming here...the asset going back makes sense to be that other 1st rounder. We're apparently keeping their 2024 1st so if you see Lawrence for that pick as the futures I think the entire deal makes more sense. But that has no sources and is just completely speculation. I have also heard rumblings of Lawrence - hoping not to lose the other 1st rounder though. In an interview of John Hanna on the Eagles FB page, he talked about having the #1 pick and the #11 pick. I don’t think he mentions that other pick with the enthusiam he did if it’s going back to SJ. Hopefully it is a 2nd or 3rd for Lawrence (if he is indeed the one coming our way), which would be a great deal for us. He could potentially be moved at the deadline for more.
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Post by classiccaper on May 25, 2022 23:33:39 GMT -4
That came from my own thoughts that if Josh Lawrence is coming here...the asset going back makes sense to be that other 1st rounder. We're apparently keeping their 2024 1st so if you see Lawrence for that pick as the futures I think the entire deal makes more sense. But that has no sources and is just completely speculation. I have also heard rumblings of Lawrence - hoping not to lose the other 1st rounder though. In an interview of John Hanna on the Eagles FB page, he talked about having the #1 pick and the #11 pick. I don’t think he mentions that other pick with the enthusiam he did if it’s going back to SJ. Hopefully it is a 2nd or 3rd for Lawrence (if he is indeed the one coming our way), which would be a great deal for us. He could potentially be moved at the deadline for more. i actually thought the same thing. We could have given them their own 2nd rounder back. They have double digit 20s so getting a 2nd for one of them after trading so many picks to load up as well seems plausible. If so, thats a good get.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2022 10:52:26 GMT -4
In listening to Hanna talk about the upcoming draft, he mentions #1, #11 , #18 and #26....I thought the Eagles had 3 in the 2nd round...19 , 2(BLB) and 2 (CHA). Did he just run out of excitement at #26 or is that pick gone or about to be gone?
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 27, 2022 10:58:02 GMT -4
In listening to Hanna talk about the upcoming draft, he mentions #1, #11 , #18 and #26....I thought the Eagles had 3 in the 2nd round...19 , 2(BLB) and 2 (CHA). Did he just run out of excitement at #26 or is that pick gone or about to be gone? Lots of talk of someone coming over from Charlottetown. We didn't acquire that 2nd in the Stairs deal but a future part of that deal being that CHA 2nd for a Roy or Biakabutuka may make sense.
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