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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2022 15:39:26 GMT -4
If anyone is interested in talking off-season, draft, prospects, trades, next year's roster, let's do it hear. If you want to bash the franchise the management or staff, let's use another thread. I would love to get some positive vibes happening as hard as that may be.
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 4, 2022 15:47:41 GMT -4
There's not going to be a "positive" thread and a "bash the team" thread. People will just post their thoughts where they think they fit within different conversations in every thread.
Here's a tip though: You can't just say you want some positive vibes when most people see very few of them.
Tell us why you have positive vibes. Tell us why we should have positive vibes.
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Post by hal on May 4, 2022 16:12:17 GMT -4
If anyone is interested in talking off-season, draft, prospects, trades, next year's roster, let's do it hear. If you want to bash the franchise the management or staff, let's use another thread. I would love to get some positive vibes happening as hard as that may be. Do you think that was my Sole Intent ? It was to encourage Maximum Participation by Board and Non Board Members . It was done because I care .....to get it under One Thread to talk about all aspects Eagles ..... Bad and Good ....we just come off our worst season ....what did you expect ? You might as well stick your head in the Sand if you only want to seek Positive Only . You didn't have to Hijack the Other Thread and accuse us of Bashing Only . All you had to do was let it run it's Course and as Positive things ....like a New GM ........Draft Talk and Player Decisions would have come to the Forefront .
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2022 16:21:33 GMT -4
I understand the position of the organization, I have been involoved in the game for almost 40 years. What I don't understand is that there is zero talk about the product on the ice. Everyone is so caught up in the bad, that there is zero good every discussed. I am a glass half full guy, I have been reading these boards for many years, I enjoy them, but I enjoy the hockey talk much more..that's all. I get the passion, I just don't know where it ends.
Having Hal post a negative rant before every game is just plain annoying, it's pointless. I don't need Hal telling me what negative outcome I may see if I chose to tune in.
We need a Bomber1974, he is a player first kinda guy.
I lived in quebec for 30+ years (excuse my english) trust me, it's not all roses with many of their franchises...I have been to countless games with 500-600 fans in the building...booing the on ice product. We lose sight sometimes that there are kids on the ice trying their hardest to make a career out of this shit show and I feel it's important to support that.
I am not telling you what to post, I was just hoping for something a little strategic and uplifting.
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 4, 2022 17:01:04 GMT -4
I understand the position of the organization, I have been involoved in the game for almost 40 years. What I don't understand is that there is zero talk about the product on the ice. Everyone is so caught up in the bad, that there is zero good every discussed. I am a glass half full guy, I have been reading these boards for many years, I enjoy them, but I enjoy the hockey talk much more..that's all. I get the passion, I just don't know where it ends. You're going to have a tough time here between now and September because there is no product to talk about and the product we did have was the worst in the league. Having Hal post a negative rant before every game is just plain annoying, it's pointless. I don't need Hal telling me what negative outcome I may see if I chose to tune in. So block hal so you don't read his posts. But you can't expect the guy paying to see every game and watching crap to not be vocal about the crap he's paying for. Hal's right as a fan and poster here is to be able to post his outcome through his own words. That's not about you...but you do always have the ability to not read his posts. W e need a Bomber1974, he is a player first kinda guy. I lived in quebec for 30+ years (excuse my english) trust me, it's not all roses with many of their franchises...I have been to countless games with 500-600 fans in the building...booing the on ice product. We lose sight sometimes that there are kids on the ice trying their hardest to make a career out of this shit show and I feel it's important to support that. I am not telling you what to post, I was just hoping for something a little strategic and uplifting. We haven't lost sight. We're just sick of losing. Sick of being fed crap from upper management. Sick of an owner who appears to have money but zero clue how to run a hockey team. We want kids to come here and be successful and grow into pro hockey players. We're being denied that as top players want ZERO part of playing here. They'd rather leave the country vs play in Cape Breton in some cases. Losing should bring a silver lining of a top star to build around. Except in Cape Breton. Thats the problem. And you can't expect positivity when that is the reality. Here you are 2 posts in a row telling us what you want us to say but you're not even saying the things yourself. You can only talk about Squires, Perron, and 2 goaltenders so much. Eventually all the talk ends up as "how the hell did we end up here?" and afterwards it "and what do you mean they're keeping the people who put us in this position and we're supposed to wait while they figure out how to fix it?" In no other market in the entire CHL would 2 teams like this be rewarded by a pissed off owner. Whats the point of the owner being pissed if he wants to not have to hire anyone new to do a proper job? We're always supposed to accept that it's harder to do anything here. But all we're seeing is people making it harder than it has to be. And that's no positive. We chose not to play in last years playoffs. We were 22 points behind 2nd last in the league this year. Who else can say they this stuff?
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Post by gocapebreton on May 4, 2022 17:27:03 GMT -4
If anyone is interested in talking off-season, draft, prospects, trades, next year's roster, let's do it hear. If you want to bash the franchise the management or staff, let's use another thread. I would love to get some positive vibes happening as hard as that may be. It certainly has been a rough year for the Eagles fan base. That is somewhat compounded by the real stage of the rebuild. The reality is this team, although 2 years into a rebuild, has the equivalent of the completion of a first year of rebuild. The hopes of positivity going forward, imo, will largely be played out over the next few months. Who takes over as GM, and the direction management goes will be key to getting positive vibes back. This team cannot buy its way into a championship run next year, or the year after. They must face the facts of where they are in the rebuild, and progress from there. There are of course some positives. They will get a top 3 pick, with some luck 1st overall. They also should get a very good euro with a top 3 pick there as well. They also have picks, I believe, at 11th, 19th, 26th, and 36th (not sure if there are any compensation picks in between any of those). Cam Squires had a very good year. Perron should progress into a high end D. Prospect wise, Luke Patterson led in regular season points in the NB/PEI under 18. With respect to trades, I would expect the Eagles to move Langlois at some point this season. They do not have much trade bait, 19 or 20 wise, after that. If the right offer came in for Ruccia, would it make sense to trade him? Both he, and Delafontaine, will be 20's when the Eagles will realistically be in a go for it year. If you can get a good return for Ruccia, then use one of the top four picks to draft a younger high end goalie prospect.
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Post by eagleeye on May 4, 2022 17:54:59 GMT -4
JMO Delafontaine will be leaving
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Post by habsfan29 on May 4, 2022 19:42:24 GMT -4
JMO Delafontaine will be leaving I think if you're management, you see what the market is like for both of them. One was not SIGNIFICANTLY better than the other this year. If you can get a TON more for Ruccia, I think you do that.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2022 19:56:42 GMT -4
I think its an ideal situation to walk into for any GM. There's nowhere to go but up.
You're guaranteed a top three pick - and even better - there is no pressure to land the consensus big fish if you do win the number one pick overall.
I don't think they should rush hiring a new GM - but they should have people already talking to the top prospects - and they need to identify the one top prospect who is the right fit - the guy who wants to be there the most out of the top five or six ranked prospects - the one guy who can't wait to hit the ice at training camp.
I like the new trend of going to people with player agent / director of player personnel / director of scouting experience in filling a GM role. You definitely want somebody with a hockey background - but it doesn't need to be a former player who wants to stay involved in the game.
I don't want to bullshit anybody - but from first hand experience - there are people who lay there in bed late at night - long after everybody else has gone to sleep - and all they think about are ways to improve their hockey teams and organizations - and that's what seems to be missing with the Eagles.
Looking into the recent past a bit - the Eagles were one of only four Q teams to reach 40 wins just three seasons ago. Their average attendance was in the top half of the league. Then Covid hit at the worst possible time.
Even this season - they still averaged more than four or five other teams despite bottoming out - and they were neck and neck in attendance with the Titan who were near the top of the league on the ice.
I know its a touchy subject to some and I'm not trying to paint a rosy picture. I don't have the answers - I only started paying attention a few months ago - but I honestly don't think its as bad as some people make it out to be.
I see a lot of positives - and a lot to work with. You have some top picks. There will be a glut of good 20 year-olds to pick and choose from for next season - just stop the talk about trading a 1st rounder for a 20 right now. Nobody's that stupid in the name of trying to put a .500 team on the ice. Where did that talk even come from - possibly trading a 1st for a 20?
I honestly don't think that it's a long road back to respectability. They have a good fan base - but it's definitely going to get smaller just from the way people are talking.
As stupid as it might sound - I honestly think that if the Eagles' ownership started reaching out to the more vocal detractors and ask them what they can do to help turn things around - on and off the ice - that would be the first step to a change in the culture and outlook towards the future.
It isn't so much the need to take their advice - but more to let people know they (management) are open to suggestions and willing to listen. Give people something to feel like they matter - and give them a reason for hope. I've seen organizations struggle and fold - and I've seen others turn it around. It isn't a fine line - it's a lot of hard work.
I don't have anything to lose or gain - just my opinion. I'll never have a job in hockey. If I had what it takes - I would have been offered an opportunity years ago.
For the people who do have what it takes - this is about as ideal a situation as you could find to step into. All you need to do is throw yourself into your work - and everything you do is likely to lead to an improvement. Draft a stud - trade Langlois at the right time (love his play) - trade a goalie - draft well - reach out to the community - and in 12 months - you're smiling again and back in the top half of the league in attendance.
IMO - those are very realistic and attainable goals. . .
Again - all just my opinion - and I'm fairly new on the scene.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2022 7:42:22 GMT -4
Amen to that...well said Bomber.
Agree 100% on the 20 year olds, there will be plenty of guys looking for work this fall, no need to rush things. They likely have a 20 coming as part of the St.John deadline deal, which would have a pick going back..just hoping it's not the 2022 1st round Halifax pick.
Ivan had a solid season, he's a tough guy to trade and a tough guy to keep. Picking high in the Euro draft should yield a prospect that can play in your top 9 easily, so using a 20/Euro spot on the same guy is not the direction this teams needs.
Furthermore, let's assume Ivan gets a PTO, you can't wait until Sept to see if a pro team would like him to stay in NA for another season.
I wouldn't discount Camp as a guy to keep on board, tremendous leader and can play up and down the line-up. Throw him on a line with 2 skilled rookies and you may be better off then bringing in a guy who wants 20+ mins of ice a night to get you 50-60 pts for 1 season.
There is some foundation with the Eagles, with a solid draft this year I see them in a better position prospect wise then many of our other divisional rivals, who have very few picks in the early rounds this year or next.
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 5, 2022 8:40:14 GMT -4
Amen to that...well said Bomber. Agree 100% on the 20 year olds, there will be plenty of guys looking for work this fall, no need to rush things. They likely have a 20 coming as part of the St.John deadline deal, which would have a pick going back..just hoping it's not the 2022 1st round Halifax pick. Ivan had a solid season, he's a tough guy to trade and a tough guy to keep. Picking high in the Euro draft should yield a prospect that can play in your top 9 easily, so using a 20/Euro spot on the same guy is not the direction this teams needs. Furthermore, let's assume Ivan gets a PTO, you can't wait until Sept to see if a pro team would like him to stay in NA for another season. I wouldn't discount Camp as a guy to keep on board, tremendous leader and can play up and down the line-up. Throw him on a line with 2 skilled rookies and you may be better off then bringing in a guy who wants 20+ mins of ice a night to get you 50-60 pts for 1 season. There is some foundation with the Eagles, with a solid draft this year I see them in a better position prospect wise then many of our other divisional rivals, who have very few picks in the early rounds this year or next. You're allowed 2 Europeans. If Ivan is 1 and an overager you still have room for the kid you pick high in the draft. I would say most would rather keep Ivan as a European and an overager vs trading say Halifax's 1st rounder for someone like Josh Lawrence or Brady Burns from SJ. But like I said in another thread, I doubt Ivan has any interest in another year here.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2022 8:56:33 GMT -4
I was assuming Repcik would be one Euro and the other comes via the draft. The only way Ivan has interest is if a Pro Team advises him to stay and not sure we have the time to wait for that to happen.
He likely has a pro offer on the table back home.
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Post by Reesor on May 5, 2022 9:24:39 GMT -4
In my opinion the Eagles primary focus should be 2025. The Q host the Memorial Cup and Cape Breton as well as probably Chicoutimi should be bidding for that tournament. Chicoutimi currently have 4 1st round picks in this draft, as well as Bathurst's 2023 and 2024 1st. That's 8 1sts in the next three seasons. Some of those 1sts will probably go back at this draft for players, but those players could then be flipped for assets to be used in 2025.
If Cape Breton wants to bid on that Memorial Cup, they need to focus on that year and not focus on squeaking out wins in years that honestly don't matter win/loss wise. If futures are coming from Saint John, take those players and flip them for assets that will help you down the road. Trade Langlois for a ransom at Christmas. Take advantage of your great Euro selection this year and probably next year, and get yourselves Euros that will be around in 2025.
@leafs1967: The positives are that Cape Breton can turn the page on recent mistakes and start fresh at the draft, and still have a contending team in 3 years. They can draft all kinds of young talent, and fans can watch them grow and develop on the way to a contending team. But none of that can happen if management decides to try and squeak out wins for short term gain. Eagles fans will come back if they see light at the end of the tunnel and have a process to get behind.
If we use Eagle's management's logic, the division will be a lot easier next year with Charlottetown, Saint John and probably Bathurst selling off. Bathurst isn't a guarantee, we'll have to see how many of their good returnees are futures in deals they made this year. So the Eagles will get more wins next year even if the caliber of their team remains the same. But those teams that are selling off will stockpile a lot of picks and prospects, and Cape Breton runs the risk of being lapped if they decide to hold onto their players of value for the sake of next season.
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 5, 2022 9:36:09 GMT -4
In my opinion the Eagles primary focus should be 2025. The Q host the Memorial Cup and Cape Breton as well as probably Chicoutimi should be bidding for that tournament. Chicoutimi currently have 4 1st round picks in this draft, as well as Bathurst's 2023 and 2024 1st. That's 8 1sts in the next three seasons. Some of those 1sts will probably go back at this draft for players, but those players could then be flipped for assets to be used in 2025. If Cape Breton wants to bid on that Memorial Cup, they need to focus on that year and not focus on squeaking out wins in years that honestly don't matter win/loss wise. If futures are coming from Saint John, take those players and flip them for assets that will help you down the road. Trade Langlois for a ransom at Christmas. Take advantage of your great Euro selection this year and probably next year, and get yourselves Euros that will be around in 2025. @leafs1967: The positives are that Cape Breton can turn the page on recent mistakes and start fresh at the draft, and still have a contending team in 3 years. They can draft all kinds of young talent, and fans can watch them grow and develop on the way to a contending team. But none of that can happen if management decides to try and squeak out wins for short term gain. Eagles fans will come back if they see light at the end of the tunnel and have a process to get behind. If we use Eagle's management's logic, the division will be a lot easier next year with Charlottetown, Saint John and probably Bathurst selling off. Bathurst isn't a guarantee, we'll have to see how many of their good returnees are futures in deals they made this year. So the Eagles will get more wins next year even if the caliber of their team remains the same. But those teams that are selling off will stockpile a lot of picks and prospects, and Cape Breton runs the risk of being lapped if they decide to hold onto their players of value for the sake of next season. Great post. Simon is already wondering how teams who also went for it in 2020 are so far ahead of us. If he pushes for top overagers and to keep Langlois and in 12 months time end 2023 without that 2nd 2022 1st rounder and without the haul Langlois should bring...we'll start to fall behind teams who went for it this year as well. The talk right now should be...we know where we are and how we got here but we also know shortcuts don't exist at this level and once we're through this we'll be better off for it. Not...everyone else is doing better so we need to acquire talent for our fans so they're not paying for us to lose 5-1 every night. That is how you end up in a battle against yourself and never end up in a position to properly contend.
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 5, 2022 9:42:01 GMT -4
I was assuming Repcik would be one Euro and the other comes via the draft. The only way Ivan has interest is if a Pro Team advises him to stay and not sure we have the time to wait for that to happen. He likely has a pro offer on the table back home. Repcik is an option. Not sure he'd be my plan A or even plan B though. Really depends on what options are available. This wouldn't be the worst time to stash a kid with a 2nd round pick who might not want to come over this year.
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