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Post by jordo999 on May 25, 2023 17:01:07 GMT -4
There is a rumor that Washington is looking to dump Mantha's contract and is willing to pay a team for it...I could see the Habs being interested for Washington's 2nd(40th OA) or maybe a bigger trade: Edmundson(1 year at 3.5M) Anderson(4 years at 5.5M) Habs 2nd Rd(37th OA) for Mantha(1 year at 5.7M) Wash 1st(8th OA) Edmundson fills a big need on the LH side. Anderson gives them what they wanted in Mantha, goal scoring winger with size and an edge. They reportedly want one last run with Ovechkin & Backstrom. no way Washington gives that 8th overall up imo...especially in a deep year. Yeah they might want to re-tool instead of rebuild but if they're moving that pick it won't be to offload a contract + acquire 2 guys that still aren't really worth that value. Keep in mind Mantha's contract is one year left, they could just buy him out worst case. Washington needs to get a bit younger as well, not add older guys, and the fact they offloaded guys with expiring contracts makes me believe they wouldn't go after a guy like Edmundson. They offloaded Orlov and such and brought in Sandin so the vision is a bit clear.
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Post by Mika on May 25, 2023 18:17:30 GMT -4
There is a rumor that Washington is looking to dump Mantha's contract and is willing to pay a team for it...I could see the Habs being interested for Washington's 2nd(40th OA) or maybe a bigger trade: Edmundson(1 year at 3.5M) Anderson(4 years at 5.5M) Habs 2nd Rd(37th OA) for Mantha(1 year at 5.7M) Wash 1st(8th OA) Edmundson fills a big need on the LH side. Anderson gives them what they wanted in Mantha, goal scoring winger with size and an edge. They reportedly want one last run with Ovechkin & Backstrom. Lol just to get rid of one year of Mantha's contract? Not worth it at all. Not like the team is winning anything next year anyway. Keep the pick and use it on a potential impact player.
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Post by Captain Obvious on May 26, 2023 7:47:49 GMT -4
There is a rumor that Washington is looking to dump Mantha's contract and is willing to pay a team for it...I could see the Habs being interested for Washington's 2nd(40th OA) or maybe a bigger trade: Edmundson(1 year at 3.5M) Anderson(4 years at 5.5M) Habs 2nd Rd(37th OA) for Mantha(1 year at 5.7M) Wash 1st(8th OA) Edmundson fills a big need on the LH side. Anderson gives them what they wanted in Mantha, goal scoring winger with size and an edge. They reportedly want one last run with Ovechkin & Backstrom. Lol just to get rid of one year of Mantha's contract? Not worth it at all. Not like the team is winning anything next year anyway. Keep the pick and use it on a potential impact player. Ovechkin is near the end of the line, they need help now, not a kid who can contribute in 3-4 years when he's retired. That's why a guy like Anderson who is in his prime and built for playoffs is a good fit.
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Post by scotiahockey on May 26, 2023 8:13:44 GMT -4
Lol just to get rid of one year of Mantha's contract? Not worth it at all. Not like the team is winning anything next year anyway. Keep the pick and use it on a potential impact player. Ovechkin is near the end of the line, they need help now, not a kid who can contribute in 3-4 years when he's retired. That's why a guy like Anderson who is in his prime and built for playoffs is a good fit. What exactly makes him “built for the playoffs”? The guy has 14 career points in 43 playoff games. He has 2 20 goal seasons, he’s topped 40 points once. He’s heralded as this guy who’s a big impact player and he just isn’t. He’s big, he skates well, and he’s physical. He’s also wildly consistent. He can go through stretches where he looks like an unstoppable force and then you won’t notice him for 15 games. I think any team in the league would like to add him because I do think he’s good but he also has a big enough track record that he’s shown what he is. The reality is, he’s a 3rd line player who can play up in your lineup for stretches but you can’t rely on him to play there for a full season because he’s too inconsistent and disappears for large stretches at a time. I don’t think his value is as high as everyone wants to think it is, he’s on a horrible contract and you just can’t justify paying a 3rd liner, who’s a maybe to get 20 goals and 35 points, 5.5 million for 4 more seasons. Again, I like the player but in a cap world, your cap hit has to be associated with the player and he’s not worth his cap hit. In a bubble, I think everybody would take him on their team but not at that cost with that term.
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Post by Captain Obvious on May 26, 2023 8:43:22 GMT -4
Ovechkin is near the end of the line, they need help now, not a kid who can contribute in 3-4 years when he's retired. That's why a guy like Anderson who is in his prime and built for playoffs is a good fit. What exactly makes him “built for the playoffs”? The guy has 14 career points in 43 playoff games. He has 2 20 goal seasons, he’s topped 40 points once. He’s heralded as this guy who’s a big impact player and he just isn’t. He’s big, he skates well, and he’s physical. He’s also wildly consistent. He can go through stretches where he looks like an unstoppable force and then you won’t notice him for 15 games. I think any team in the league would like to add him because I do think he’s good but he also has a big enough track record that he’s shown what he is. The reality is, he’s a 3rd line player who can play up in your lineup for stretches but you can’t rely on him to play there for a full season because he’s too inconsistent and disappears for large stretches at a time. I don’t think his value is as high as everyone wants to think it is, he’s on a horrible contract and you just can’t justify paying a 3rd liner, who’s a maybe to get 20 goals and 35 points, 5.5 million for 4 more seasons. Again, I like the player but in a cap world, your cap hit has to be associated with the player and he’s not worth his cap hit. In a bubble, I think everybody would take him on their team but not at that cost with that term. Well, he's a big physical guy that will make life hard on opposing d-men, he can hit, score and kill penalties. Those are usually the type of guys teams look for at playoff time.
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Post by scotiahockey on May 26, 2023 9:11:51 GMT -4
What exactly makes him “built for the playoffs”? The guy has 14 career points in 43 playoff games. He has 2 20 goal seasons, he’s topped 40 points once. He’s heralded as this guy who’s a big impact player and he just isn’t. He’s big, he skates well, and he’s physical. He’s also wildly consistent. He can go through stretches where he looks like an unstoppable force and then you won’t notice him for 15 games. I think any team in the league would like to add him because I do think he’s good but he also has a big enough track record that he’s shown what he is. The reality is, he’s a 3rd line player who can play up in your lineup for stretches but you can’t rely on him to play there for a full season because he’s too inconsistent and disappears for large stretches at a time. I don’t think his value is as high as everyone wants to think it is, he’s on a horrible contract and you just can’t justify paying a 3rd liner, who’s a maybe to get 20 goals and 35 points, 5.5 million for 4 more seasons. Again, I like the player but in a cap world, your cap hit has to be associated with the player and he’s not worth his cap hit. In a bubble, I think everybody would take him on their team but not at that cost with that term. Well, he's a big physical guy that will make life hard on opposing d-men, he can hit, score and kill penalties. Those are usually the type of guys teams look for at playoff time. He has 8 goals in 43 playoff games. Is that production worth his contract?
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Post by Captain Obvious on May 26, 2023 9:30:04 GMT -4
Well, he's a big physical guy that will make life hard on opposing d-men, he can hit, score and kill penalties. Those are usually the type of guys teams look for at playoff time. He has 8 goals in 43 playoff games. Is that production worth his contract? You don't sign guys just based on goals andassists.
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 26, 2023 10:05:40 GMT -4
He has 8 goals in 43 playoff games. Is that production worth his contract? You don't sign guys just based on goals andassists. You listed a site with UFA projections. Why not give Bertuzzi that money coming off a great stint with Boston? He brings way more consistency. Anderson has no positive trade value because of his contract. Including him in a deal to "dump" a 1 year contract because he's a playoff performer full of intangibles ...who is also wildly inconsistent...is just laughable when younger players who do more are being projected for lower aav's as UFA's. If Anderson wore a Maple Leaf you'd be here telling us how he's a cap dump we need to include something to get rid of because there's no cap space in the system for guys like that who don't produce...which Anderson doesn't, especially at playoff time where his production is even less then his regular season numbers.
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Post by Captain Obvious on May 26, 2023 10:38:37 GMT -4
You don't sign guys just based on goals andassists. You listed a site with UFA projections. Why not give Bertuzzi that money coming off a great stint with Boston? He brings way more consistency. Anderson has no positive trade value because of his contract. Including him in a deal to "dump" a 1 year contract because he's a playoff performer full of intangibles ...who is also wildly inconsistent...is just laughable when younger players who do more are being projected for lower aav's as UFA's. If Anderson wore a Maple Leaf you'd be here telling us how he's a cap dump we need to include something to get rid of because there's no cap space in the system for guys like that who don't produce...which Anderson doesn't, especially at playoff time where his production is even less then his regular season numbers. Bertuzzi's numbers fell off the table this year, he doesn't bring the size, speed or physicality that Anderson has. Dreger and McKenzie have both said that Hughes received a lot of interest on Anderson, so obviously his AAV isn't a huge hang up for teams if they want that type of player. By taking a guy with a higher AAV back, it fixes that issue for Washington.
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 26, 2023 10:45:07 GMT -4
You listed a site with UFA projections. Why not give Bertuzzi that money coming off a great stint with Boston? He brings way more consistency. Anderson has no positive trade value because of his contract. Including him in a deal to "dump" a 1 year contract because he's a playoff performer full of intangibles ...who is also wildly inconsistent...is just laughable when younger players who do more are being projected for lower aav's as UFA's. If Anderson wore a Maple Leaf you'd be here telling us how he's a cap dump we need to include something to get rid of because there's no cap space in the system for guys like that who don't produce...which Anderson doesn't, especially at playoff time where his production is even less then his regular season numbers. Bertuzzi's numbers fell off the table this year, he doesn't bring the size, speed or physicality that Anderson has. Dreger and McKenzie have both said that Hughes received a lot of interest on Anderson, so obviously his AAV isn't a huge hang up for teams if they want that type of player. By taking a guy with a higher AAV back, it fixes that issue for Washington. Guy played on a bad team and had slightly under .5ppg. Goes to a contender and puts up .76ppg in the same amount of games. Has a MONSTER playoff series with 10 points in 7 games. You say he fell off the table. Then say he doesn't bring the things Anderson has which basically just tells us you didn't even watch him play. Pointless trying to have these discussions when you don't seem to follow anyone but your own team.
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Post by Captain Obvious on May 26, 2023 11:09:46 GMT -4
Bertuzzi's numbers fell off the table this year, he doesn't bring the size, speed or physicality that Anderson has. Dreger and McKenzie have both said that Hughes received a lot of interest on Anderson, so obviously his AAV isn't a huge hang up for teams if they want that type of player. By taking a guy with a higher AAV back, it fixes that issue for Washington. Guy played on a bad team and had slightly under .5ppg. Goes to a contender and puts up .76ppg in the same amount of games. Has a MONSTER playoff series with 10 points in 7 games. You say he fell off the table. Then say he doesn't bring the things Anderson has which basically just tells us you didn't even watch him play. Pointless trying to have these discussions when you don't seem to follow anyone but your own team. I would say it's pointless to discuss this with a Toronto fanboy who hates Montreal.
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Post by jordo999 on May 26, 2023 11:15:45 GMT -4
if the script was flipped would you trade 8th overall for Anderson + Edmundson? Genuinely curious. Keep in mind Ottawa traded 7th overall for Alex Debrincat in a weaker draft year then this year, and Debrincat > Anderson + Edmundson...
the chance to get an elite player is possible at 8.
While an argument can be made for one or both guys to fetch 1st rounders, I'd say it's late 1st rounders at best...
Anderson is also 29, he's going to probably drop off the closer he gets to the end of his contract. I just can't see a realistic trade where he + Edmundson is worth a top 10 pick... Edmundson is a guy you could maybe get a late 1st from a contender at a deadline but it didn't happen this past season so maybe the ask was too high.
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Post by Captain Obvious on May 26, 2023 11:33:24 GMT -4
if the script was flipped would you trade 8th overall for Anderson + Edmundson? Genuinely curious. Keep in mind Ottawa traded 7th overall for Alex Debrincat in a weaker draft year then this year, and Debrincat > Anderson + Edmundson... the chance to get an elite player is possible at 8. While an argument can be made for one or both guys to fetch 1st rounders, I'd say it's late 1st rounders at best... Anderson is also 29, he's going to probably drop off the closer he gets to the end of his contract. I just can't see a realistic trade where he + Edmundson is worth a top 10 pick... Edmundson is a guy you could maybe get a late 1st from a contender at a deadline but it didn't happen this past season so maybe the ask was too high. In a normal situation, Debrincat would have cost like 3 1st rounders, but his QO being 9M pushed down his value. Edmundston wasn't healthy at the TDL so they either had to take 50-60 cents on the dollar or wait until the off season or next TDL to move him.
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 26, 2023 11:44:58 GMT -4
Guy played on a bad team and had slightly under .5ppg. Goes to a contender and puts up .76ppg in the same amount of games. Has a MONSTER playoff series with 10 points in 7 games. You say he fell off the table. Then say he doesn't bring the things Anderson has which basically just tells us you didn't even watch him play. Pointless trying to have these discussions when you don't seem to follow anyone but your own team. I would say it's pointless to discuss this with a Toronto fanboy who hates Montreal. For about a month now you've had multiple people either imply or outright say that you're commenting on things and your comments clearly show you're not watching much. You constantly comeback with these childish insults. But not once have you said anyone was wrong. Keep telling us how poorly Bertuzzi played while anyone who watched Boston play after he was traded there just laughs at how wrong that is. The least objective person trying to push his "cap hell" contracts onto others as if they're dependable playoff warriors while he admits he's commenting on a pending UFA he didn't even watch is pretty hilarious.
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Post by Captain Obvious on May 26, 2023 12:05:16 GMT -4
I would say it's pointless to discuss this with a Toronto fanboy who hates Montreal. For about a month now you've had multiple people either imply or outright say that you're commenting on things and your comments clearly show you're not watching much. You constantly comeback with these childish insults. But not once have you said anyone was wrong. Keep telling us how poorly Bertuzzi played while anyone who watched Boston play after he was traded there just laughs at how wrong that is. The least objective person trying to push his "cap hell" contracts onto others as if they're dependable playoff warriors while he admits he's commenting on a pending UFA he didn't even watch is pretty hilarious. Unless a GM is an idiot, he will look at his career as a whole and not a week long playoff series when negotiating contracts. Bertuzzi is an average sized player who usually puts up 20 goals and around 45 points, he is agitating but not what you would call a power forward. If you pay him based on a shrt sample size where he playing for a contract you will usually get burned. Comparing him to Anderson who is 6'3" 225lbs is beyond ridiculous, the only thing they have in common is they play wing.
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