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Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 19, 2023 13:46:13 GMT -4
It almost seems that Chicoutimi has done a better job of developing Desruisseaux in 10 games than the Eagles did in 22 league games and Pre-season. Not a good look on the team's part for how things worked out for a REPORTING HIGH DRAFT PICK, imo! With opportunity comes confidence and confidence goes right to a players legs. We are seeing the opposite situation with Sheilds, Patterson and of course Campbell and Henderson. I am sure for the those 4, confidence is at an all time low. And for players that age on a team like this you have to wonder if there's a mental aspect of feeling like you're playing to develop yourself to go somewhere else when there's so much turnover in an organization.
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Post by blueeagle on Jan 19, 2023 14:01:29 GMT -4
Those 22 games were mostly spent in the bottom 6 getting little opportunity. Shouldn't shock anyone that a good player getting put in a situation to produce is doing just that. This will be one that doesnt look all that great for the next 3+ years. Giving up Desruisseaux to get Newcombe, terrible. He was drafted, he reported, has excellent skill, all he wanted was a chance. Do we know that all he wanted was a chance? If that is the case, this is just brutal. To my eye he was more prepared to make an immediate impact than even Shields was from watching in preseason, just a very very smart player. I fully expected him to get top 6 minutes and he was regularly being played with our better forwards in pre-season and thriving. I just don't understand what happened because it truly looked like he was going to get the chance. My gut is he didn't get the ice time because the coaching staff felt they didn't get his buy-in. But if he truly did want the chance and felt he didn't get it, then this was badly botched. Letting him go is going to look so so so depressing in 2-3 years I fear.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2023 14:18:26 GMT -4
He was drafted and reported, that was 2 big steps. He was without question interviewed extensively and would have had a pretty clear idea of what he was getting in to. Things like homesick, schooling, friendships all get some easier when you can't wait to get to the rink each and every day..and then all get exemplified when the hockey is the shits. It all plays a roll, but at the end of the day it was handled poorly and he is gone, bad on the Eagles.
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Post by hal on Jan 19, 2023 16:57:03 GMT -4
Maybe not All Signs but a lot of them point to Goyens then .
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Post by sherwood1020 on Jan 19, 2023 17:55:53 GMT -4
Just an opinion, but I think it's in really poor taste to bring out the pitchforks over the Desruisseaux situation.
Everyone wants to point out that Desruisseaux has increased his point total since moving back home, but nobody wants to acknowledge the fact that Schmitt has also moved home and increased his point total as well.
Fact of the matter is, if a 16 year old kid is homesick and misses family, friends, home cooking Etc.. management doesn't have much of a choice but to work towards an agreement that works for both sides.
I'm sure Desruisseaux is happier being close to home and it's having a positive impact on his performance. I'm not sure if something like that can be placed on the shoulders of the GM and Coaching staff.
We also gained Newcombe and are rumored to be gaining an extra 1st round pick from the deal which will be used to help our on ice product within the next 2 seasons as we build a contender.
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Post by justathought on Jan 19, 2023 19:25:20 GMT -4
Sherwood1020, I'd love to be able to ask the Billet Parents if any of this "Fact of the matter is, if a 16 year old kid is homesick and misses family, friends, home cooking Etc.. management doesn't have much of a choice but to work towards an agreement that works for both sides", was relevant in this case.
I've been told that he was basically just frustrated with his ice time and the coach and that's why he asked for a trade. Maybe the frustration led to some other feelings?
Earlier in the year, at the first Town Hall type meeting, "Development" was stressed as a priority so this seems like a wasted opportunity with a High Draft Pick, to many of us fans. However, after a visit by the owner it seems like "Wins" have become more of a priority, however it's been spun.
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Post by sherwood1020 on Jan 19, 2023 19:56:53 GMT -4
Sherwood1020, I'd love to be able to ask the Billet Parents if any of this "Fact of the matter is, if a 16 year old kid is homesick and misses family, friends, home cooking Etc.. management doesn't have much of a choice but to work towards an agreement that works for both sides", was relevant in this case. I've been told that he was basically just frustrated with his ice time and the coach and that's why he asked for a trade. Maybe the frustration led to some other feelings? Earlier in the year, at the first Town Hall type meeting, "Development" was stressed as a priority so this seems like a wasted opportunity with a High Draft Pick, to many of us fans. However, after a visit by the owner it seems like "Wins" have become more of a priority, however it's been spun. See it as you may, but I do see development still being the main priority for the team. We've brought in players this Christmas with the intent on building a core that will play together for the next couple seasons and all develop together as a team. The rest of this season will more than likely consist of everyone getting to gel and establish roles and should get a few games of playoff experience at the end of the year to help get these guys hungry for success next season and beyond.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 20, 2023 0:01:36 GMT -4
Just an opinion, but I think it's in really poor taste to bring out the pitchforks over the Desruisseaux situation. Everyone wants to point out that Desruisseaux has increased his point total since moving back home, but nobody wants to acknowledge the fact that Schmitt has also moved home and increased his point total as well. Fact of the matter is, if a 16 year old kid is homesick and misses family, friends, home cooking Etc.. management doesn't have much of a choice but to work towards an agreement that works for both sides. I'm sure Desruisseaux is happier being close to home and it's having a positive impact on his performance. I'm not sure if something like that can be placed on the shoulders of the GM and Coaching staff. We also gained Newcombe and are rumored to be gaining an extra 1st round pick from the deal which will be used to help our on ice product within the next 2 seasons as we build a contender. Nobody is bringing out pitchforks. It was a realistic discussion about a Quebec based player who was highly touted and reported without much issue and is flourishing elsewhere. Schmitt is 18 and cost 4 key assets...everyone in the league expects him to produce as the top pairing #1 guy getting 25+ minutes. You cant compare that to a 16yr old producing at near a point per game since leaving. Its an apples and oranges discussion as the expectations for both are do different. If the mangement and coaching not being fully aligned means the GM oversold the player on ice time possibilities and the coach felt he had to play the vets the GM also brought in causing the potential issue that people say caused him to want out then that is placed on the shoulders of both coaching and management. And is a valid discussion for people to have if they believe thats ultimately the major issue.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 20, 2023 0:15:07 GMT -4
Sherwood1020, I'd love to be able to ask the Billet Parents if any of this "Fact of the matter is, if a 16 year old kid is homesick and misses family, friends, home cooking Etc.. management doesn't have much of a choice but to work towards an agreement that works for both sides", was relevant in this case. I've been told that he was basically just frustrated with his ice time and the coach and that's why he asked for a trade. Maybe the frustration led to some other feelings? Earlier in the year, at the first Town Hall type meeting, "Development" was stressed as a priority so this seems like a wasted opportunity with a High Draft Pick, to many of us fans. However, after a visit by the owner it seems like "Wins" have become more of a priority, however it's been spun. See it as you may, but I do see development still being the main priority for the team. We've brought in players this Christmas with the intent on building a core that will play together for the next couple seasons and all develop together as a team. The rest of this season will more than likely consist of everyone getting to gel and establish roles and should get a few games of playoff experience at the end of the year to help get these guys hungry for success next season and beyond. If that's accurate we should be seeing a lot less trades over the next year or so as all the moves made to this point should have us in a position to take a big leap forward without the constant roster turnover our GM has become famous for. Stability is something we've yet to find and if we do will likely see more fans buy in to the plan if the team is moving up the standings while the team gels. So far the results have been underwhelming. And its hard to see why so many are just sick of the losing.
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Post by hal on Jan 20, 2023 5:22:48 GMT -4
When they step up to the podium and tell us that you can't win with all 16 year olds in your lineup .....and they did say that you have to surround them with experience ( 12 x 19-20 year olds ) . Some things become clear ......Wins are a Priority and how the hell does 3 x 16 year olds ( at that time ) constitute a "lineup full of 16 year olds ? Stability ? I see nothing but constant tinkering with this Team right up until the 2024 - 2025 Trade Deadline , hell Stallone pretty much assures that by telling us all the Draft Picks he has and how they all won't be used to draft players , that they are assets . So go ahead and preach development all you want but at least be honest and tell us that winning is the Higher Priority ( because Simon Says ) , even if only slightly higher .
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Post by JEagle on Feb 3, 2023 13:25:50 GMT -4
Called-up for tonight's game against Rimouski.
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Post by JEagle on Apr 26, 2023 22:20:45 GMT -4
News regarding the Desruisseaux trade.
"Xavier Veilleux was also released, after being the 16th player selected in 2022. This compensatory choice will go to the Cape Breton Eagles to complete the trade that brought Thomas Desruisseaux to Chicoutimi last December. No less than four choices will be involved to complete the pact. However, we will have to wait until June before knowing the precise details."
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 27, 2023 9:41:39 GMT -4
News regarding the Desruisseaux trade. "Xavier Veilleux was also released, after being the 16th player selected in 2022. This compensatory choice will go to the Cape Breton Eagles to complete the trade that brought Thomas Desruisseaux to Chicoutimi last December. No less than four choices will be involved to complete the pact. However, we will have to wait until June before knowing the precise details." Original deal was Desruisseaux and 2025 1st for Newcombe, 2023 2nd, 2024 1st. If there's 4 picks being moved around to complete the deal I wonder if those 1sts go back to the original teams with the 2023 16th overall coming to CB and something else like a middle round pick going to Chicoutimi. That would leave the deal as Desruisseaux and a mid round pick for Newcombe, 2023 2nd, 2023 1st.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2023 10:05:30 GMT -4
As you said, I think the 2024 1st goes back to CHI and Cape gets the 2023 1st (compensation in return). One could argue that it would essentially touch 4 picks.
I don't think we walk away with Newcombe, 2nd , 1st for Dessy and mid round pick, a little too good IMO.
Cape has CHI 2nd in 2023, maybe that one moves back rather then a mid round pick?
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Post by Marco52 on Apr 28, 2023 8:48:08 GMT -4
As you said, I think the 2024 1st goes back to CHI and Cape gets the 2023 1st (compensation in return). One could argue that it would essentially touch 4 picks. I don't think we walk away with Newcombe, 2nd , 1st for Dessy and mid round pick, a little too good IMO. Cape has CHI 2nd in 2023, maybe that one moves back rather then a mid round pick? There's rumours Matteo Mann is heading to Cap-Breton too.
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