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Post by Citris on Jan 18, 2023 13:05:11 GMT -4
How does that work. They were both born in New Glasgow, played their minor hockey in New Glasgow. What is the rule that allows them to declare for the OHL, when they are in Q territory? Is it because their dad played in the O? Yes, exactly. If your father played in one of the other CHL leagues than the one you would normally be eligible for, you can choose to be eligible for the league your Dad played in instead. Yea, I can think of a couple recent examples for the Q as well, Sam Dube was German born, but because his father Yanick played in the Q he was eligible for the draft... I'm not 100% sure what happened with Theo Rochette, his father is FROM Quebec but as far as I can tell never actually played in the Q.
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Post by Penguins23® on Jan 18, 2023 13:16:13 GMT -4
Yes, exactly. If your father played in one of the other CHL leagues than the one you would normally be eligible for, you can choose to be eligible for the league your Dad played in instead. Yea, I can think of a couple recent examples for the Q as well, Sam Dube was German born, but because his father Yanick played in the Q he was eligible for the draft... I'm not 100% sure what happened with Theo Rochette, his father is FROM Quebec but as far as I can tell never actually played in the Q. www.tvasports.ca/2018/05/25/theo-rochette-un-nouvel-espoir-de-tailleFrench article states Couturier had to do some work and it sounds like all other CHL teams had to agree. Portland put up a fight. What made him eligible in the end is that he has dual citizenship and he played 4 years of minor hockey in Québec before returning to Switzerland.
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Post by Briwhel on Jan 18, 2023 13:29:23 GMT -4
Yea, I can think of a couple recent examples for the Q as well, Sam Dube was German born, but because his father Yanick played in the Q he was eligible for the draft... I'm not 100% sure what happened with Theo Rochette, his father is FROM Quebec but as far as I can tell never actually played in the Q. www.tvasports.ca/2018/05/25/theo-rochette-un-nouvel-espoir-de-tailleFrench article states Couturier had to do some work and it sounds like all other CHL teams had to agree. Portland put up a fight. What made him eligible in the end is that he has dual citizenship and he played 4 years of minor hockey in Québec before returning to Switzerland. This is similar to Patenaude. A kid with Canadian citizenship who has never established eligibility for a specific league (or multiple) requires that the leagues agree to where the kid plays.
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Post by Citris on Jan 18, 2023 14:00:16 GMT -4
Yea, I can think of a couple recent examples for the Q as well, Sam Dube was German born, but because his father Yanick played in the Q he was eligible for the draft... I'm not 100% sure what happened with Theo Rochette, his father is FROM Quebec but as far as I can tell never actually played in the Q. www.tvasports.ca/2018/05/25/theo-rochette-un-nouvel-espoir-de-tailleFrench article states Couturier had to do some work and it sounds like all other CHL teams had to agree. Portland put up a fight. What made him eligible in the end is that he has dual citizenship and he played 4 years of minor hockey in Québec before returning to Switzerland. It would be ironic if Portland and Quebec ended up in the Memorial Cup tournament against each other then haha.
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Post by Briwhel on Jan 18, 2023 14:05:47 GMT -4
www.tvasports.ca/2018/05/25/theo-rochette-un-nouvel-espoir-de-tailleFrench article states Couturier had to do some work and it sounds like all other CHL teams had to agree. Portland put up a fight. What made him eligible in the end is that he has dual citizenship and he played 4 years of minor hockey in Québec before returning to Switzerland. It would be ironic if Portland and Quebec ended up in the Memorial Cup tournament against each other then haha. I believe that Portland may have fought the Sea Dogs over signing Patenaude as well. It is their MO.
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Post by Citris on Jan 18, 2023 14:12:25 GMT -4
It would be ironic if Portland and Quebec ended up in the Memorial Cup tournament against each other then haha. I believe that Portland may have fought the Sea Dogs over signing Patenaude as well. It is their MO. They're still mad about this XD www.timescolonist.com/sports/whl-slams-portland-for-violations-club-fined-coach-banned-bantam-draft-picks-forfeited-4571031Edit - Holy shit, I can't believe this was over 10 years ago... I feel old. And re-reading the penalties listed here, oh my god. No wonder we haven't seen Portland back in the Memorial cup in the last 10 years... this is literally the 1st year they won't be directly effected by this punishment.
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Post by sc74 on Jan 18, 2023 14:38:24 GMT -4
Yea, I can think of a couple recent examples for the Q as well, Sam Dube was German born, but because his father Yanick played in the Q he was eligible for the draft... I'm not 100% sure what happened with Theo Rochette, his father is FROM Quebec but as far as I can tell never actually played in the Q. www.tvasports.ca/2018/05/25/theo-rochette-un-nouvel-espoir-de-tailleFrench article states Couturier had to do some work and it sounds like all other CHL teams had to agree. Portland put up a fight. What made him eligible in the end is that he has dual citizenship and he played 4 years of minor hockey in Québec before returning to Switzerland. And as a personal reason it made more sense for Rochette to play in the Q since he has family in Quebec City.
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Post by gtsoc on Jan 18, 2023 15:40:55 GMT -4
No Memorial Cup appearances since 2013, but they put together a respectable record of 347-166-46 from 2013/14 through to 2021/22 (not counting their Covid shortened season). That's pretty remarkable considering the draft picks they got stripped of.
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Post by Citris on Jan 18, 2023 15:54:52 GMT -4
No Memorial Cup appearances since 2013, but they put together a respectable record of 347-166-46 from 2013/14 through to 2021/22 (not counting their Covid shortened season). That's pretty remarkable considering the draft picks they got stripped of. Yea... I think I misspoke too because they have a U15 draft, not U16, so technically the players drafted in that 2017 draft, the last year they were stripped of a 1st round pick, would be eligible to play as overagers this year. That's a more-than-respectable record.
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Post by peihockeyguy on Jan 19, 2023 16:00:39 GMT -4
Any PEI/NB prospects sniffing the early rounds in this years Q draft?
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Post by Score on Jan 19, 2023 16:13:52 GMT -4
Any PEI/NB prospects sniffing the early rounds in this years Q draft? Will Murphy is a big dman playing with Kensington.....unsure where he would be ranked. Could become a decent stay at home Dman. 2007 6'3" 185 lbs 7pts in 24gp. "Will Murphy – Defenseman – Kensington Wild Will Murphy is a tall and physically imposing defenseman who plays in all game situations and has the hockey sense and skills of a top prospect. He could be a real force if he played with more intensity but, because of his size, he plays a restrained physical game so that he doesn’t get called for high hits. A gifted skater, he needs to carry the puck and join the rush more often. He is very solid defensively and being more physical in puck battles or in front of the net will really make him stand out."
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Post by peihockeyguy on Jan 20, 2023 16:48:51 GMT -4
Any PEI/NB prospects sniffing the early rounds in this years Q draft? Will Murphy is a big dman playing with Kensington.....unsure where he would be ranked. Could become a decent stay at home Dman. 2007 6'3" 185 lbs 7pts in 24gp. "Will Murphy – Defenseman – Kensington Wild Will Murphy is a tall and physically imposing defenseman who plays in all game situations and has the hockey sense and skills of a top prospect. He could be a real force if he played with more intensity but, because of his size, he plays a restrained physical game so that he doesn’t get called for high hits. A gifted skater, he needs to carry the puck and join the rush more often. He is very solid defensively and being more physical in puck battles or in front of the net will really make him stand out." Any talk of the two kids from upwest playing Wild? Shaw and Doyle. Seen them play when younger seemed like good players at that time, but haven’t been around to see them in the past year.
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Post by frozen11 on Feb 13, 2023 14:44:07 GMT -4
So - it's around that time of the year when posters start giving their views about whether it's a strong draft, or a weak draft, or an average draft. Last year, there seemed to be a few claiming that last year's draft was average - but that the 2007 crop would be one of the strongest in a few years. I personally find that there are years with bigger stars at the top - or fewer, but the fact remains that players drafted in the first 5 rounds will play for you. It's from the 6th round on when the majority of Q draft picks play Junior A. I got started at the Christmas break and now have about 140 player bios put together of the top prospects and ranked them from 1 to 140. My way is pretty basic. I make lists of who I see as the top 40 - then the next 40, then the next, etc. Then I break those lists down to groups of 20 - then 10 - and then rank them in order as you put together your individual player bios. That's when you really decide who goes up and who goes down. Once you get down to the lower groups of 40 - not many players make a jump of more than 20 places. Basically, I'm now evaluating 7th tier players (from groups of 20's) from my lists - so it is very unlikely that anybody else will move up to the 1st 5 rounds (1-90). Based on who I have ranked in the 1st 5 rounds - it looks like a better than average draft class, but there's a big drop off after the first few rounds. There is also a noticeable smaller look to the top few rounds - with a lot of smaller, puckmoving D-men in the mix. I know that the game is getting smaller and faster - just sayyin'. The 1st round is top heavy in forwards with 0 goalies, 4 D-men and 14 forwards. Keep in mind - this is only my list and likely a lot different than the CSR and HP scouts. I think it's a strong year for Atlantic players. Over 70 percent of drafted players last year came from the Quebec feeder system. I have 51 Quebec players (56.7%) and 39 from the east coast (43.7%) ranked in the 1st 5 rounds this year. The U18 regular seasons are now winding down with NL done last week. It's a lot easier now to make those longer term projections. Coen Miller was finally passed in the NSU18 scoring race and rookie Cole Chandler is in the mix. Zach Wheeler has really turned it up in the NB-PEI league and was leading the scoring race by 8 points as of this morning. There are some Prep School guys that are hard to rank, which makes finalizing the 1st and 2nd rounds next to impossible right now. Lane Sim has officially made the decision to go to the OHL. I don't have any goalies ranked in the 1st round and only 1 (William Lacelle) in the 2nd. The Top 5 rounds as of today show: 9 goalies; 30 D-men and 51 forwards). I don't see anything out of the ordinary with those numbers. Hopefully, nobody will take this as me thinking I'm some kind of an expert. For some strange reason - I just like doing it.
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Post by scotiahockey on Feb 18, 2023 15:31:22 GMT -4
He's a really good prospect. I put together about a hundred mini-bios over the Christmas break just to get a head start, and a lot will change over the rest of the season. The latter part of the season will actually factor in more than the first half did, but just trying to separate the tiers. The league release on Will Murphy is much better than mine, but below is what I had put together. I would project Will to go in the 3rd round, but there are a couple of players balking to go NCAA, so maybe late 2nd round. It seems to be a bit of an off-season for PEI prospects. I have Kayden McGuigan in at 55 and goaltender Hudson Bradley in at 68, but again, the Christmas break isn't the time to rank players with any kind of accuracy. 43. CSR A; HP 13A (Early Rankings) HP 22 (Feb.)
2007 WILL MURPHY, Kensington Wild 6'3" - 185 lbs. Defence: Shoots LSEASON | TEAM / LEAGUE | GP | G | A | PTS. | PIM | 2020-21 | Prince County PEIU15 | 20 | 2 | 11 | 13 | 25 | 2021-22 | Prince County PEIU15 a; b | 20 | 6 | 25 | 31 | 28 | 2022-23 | Kensington NBPEIMU18HL | 18 | 3 | 2 | 5 | 16 |
a - PEIU15 Most Valuable Player b - PEIU15 Best Defenceman “Will is a defensive defenseman with a very good skating stride considering his imposing frame. He advocates physical play and does not hesitate to complete his checks. He has a good stick and commands respect in the defensive zone in front of his goalie. He has good puck skills and a very good shot. He is very effective when he stays within his limits and his coach’s game plan." - Pierre Cholette, QMJHL Dir. of Scouting
My own bio at the Christmas Break Will Murphy is a big defenceman with already imposing size at 6'3" and 185 lbs. He was named the PEIU15 Most Valuable Player and Best Defenceman last season. He can lug the puck but will need to work on his foot speed and mobility to become proficient at the next level. One of the knocks on him is that he was able to excel in the three team PEI league with his size advantage, but he has all the tools to work with and a ton of upside. He has a heavy shot and enjoys the physical side of the game.
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It should be noted that Hockey Prospects has Will Murphy ranked 22nd on their February list - much higher than I have him. The one thing that I don't want to do is have a player drop down in the draft because of something I said or wrote. Hockey Prospects has dozens of legitimate scouts working for them - many with a ton of experience. Sometimes we question the various scouting people and agencies, but they really do know their stuff. I'd guess that the people at Hockey Prospects don't want their lists posted on a forum, but when it comes to the odd individual ranking number - I would think that it actually helps publicize their work and might even spur sales. They do a really good job. I remember one fairly well-known scout posting that he "spends his Saturday mornings logged into InStat," and in all honesty - I spend hours every day watching vid, evaluating, projecting, updating bios and numbers - and sometimes I'll look at the clock and it's 4 or 5 AM and you wonder where the time went. Just saying that I can appreciate the time and effort that a scouting service like Hockey Prospects puts into it. There is no denying that they provide a very good and very accurate end result. Honestly I think any scout or team worth their salt isn’t taking into account what someone said or wrote about a player. You employ the people you employ to make decisions and if you’re letting 3rd party rankings or comments play into your decisions, then you shouldn’t be in that position. There’s lot of people who “scout” and post lists, I don’t think any of it has any bearing on where a player is drafted. The teams shouldn’t be taking any of it into account, outside of maybe some respected people whose opinion you trust. Even then, it should only be to see if they’re seeing something you’re not when evaluating a player. Then you can go back and see if you’re missing something and if you did miss it, evaluate and dig into why you didn’t see it. Basically a tool to help you grow as an evaluator.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Mar 1, 2023 11:18:32 GMT -4
Great year for NB, 6 NB kids get A ratings. Last year only two went in the top 2 rounds.4 more are B's.
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