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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 20, 2022 17:12:14 GMT -4
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Post by WhiteTyAffair on Jan 17, 2023 11:38:03 GMT -4
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Post by jordo999 on Jan 17, 2023 11:40:03 GMT -4
American born playing out west but choosing the Q route...interesting for sure. Stats don't look to bad either so wondering where he would be considered for rounds.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 17, 2023 11:44:05 GMT -4
American born playing out west but choosing the Q route...interesting for sure. Stats don't look to bad either so wondering where he would be considered for rounds. If Roger Shannon was still GM, his bloodlines alone would make him a 1st round pick!
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Post by WhiteTyAffair on Jan 17, 2023 11:49:36 GMT -4
American born playing out west but choosing the Q route...interesting for sure. Stats don't look to bad either so wondering where he would be considered for rounds. If Roger Shannon was still GM, his bloodlines alone would make him a 1st round pick! What information do you have to tell me he’s not a 1st round pick?
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Post by Smiley on Jan 17, 2023 14:09:06 GMT -4
American born playing out west but choosing the Q route...interesting for sure. Stats don't look to bad either so wondering where he would be considered for rounds. Technically he is American/Canadian, since his dad is Canadian. His dad played in the Q, so not overly surprising that he thinks it’s a good route for his son.
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Post by countryboy on Jan 17, 2023 18:10:31 GMT -4
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Post by WhiteTyAffair on Jan 17, 2023 19:03:28 GMT -4
The USA route has always been his #1 option. It appears Hockey Quebec is holding that against him as he wasn't named to their Canada Games team. Also, Lane Sim has declared for the OHL Draft which shouldn't come as a surprise as his brother did the same.
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Post by scotiahockey on Jan 17, 2023 21:08:49 GMT -4
If Roger Shannon was still GM, his bloodlines alone would make him a 1st round pick! What information do you have to tell me he’s not a 1st round pick? Underwhelming numbers in the U16 league when, if he was a 1st round caliber Q player, he wouldn’t be in the U16 league, he’d be playing in the SMAAAHL. Now if he was playing U16, he’d be dominating that league. Now that’s not to say he isn’t a draft pick and I’ll watch him more closely but IMO not close to a 1st round pick, knowing what I know about that league and comparing it to the numbers he’s putting up there.
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Post by Smiley on Jan 18, 2023 0:16:06 GMT -4
Also, Lane Sim has declared for the OHL Draft which shouldn't come as a surprise as his brother did the same. How does that work. They were both born in New Glasgow, played their minor hockey in New Glasgow. What is the rule that allows them to declare for the OHL, when they are in Q territory? Is it because their dad played in the O?
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Post by MikeC on Jan 18, 2023 0:29:51 GMT -4
Also, Lane Sim has declared for the OHL Draft which shouldn't come as a surprise as his brother did the same. How does that work. They were both born in New Glasgow, played their minor hockey in New Glasgow. What is the rule that allows them to declare for the OHL, when they are in Q territory? Is it because their dad played in the O? Yes, exactly. If your father played in one of the other CHL leagues than the one you would normally be eligible for, you can choose to be eligible for the league your Dad played in instead.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 18, 2023 8:34:32 GMT -4
How does that work. They were both born in New Glasgow, played their minor hockey in New Glasgow. What is the rule that allows them to declare for the OHL, when they are in Q territory? Is it because their dad played in the O? Yes, exactly. If your father played in one of the other CHL leagues than the one you would normally be eligible for, you can choose to be eligible for the league your Dad played in instead. Same happened to Couturier who was born in Arizona(WHL).
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Post by countryboy on Jan 18, 2023 8:48:48 GMT -4
The eligibility rules for the major junior drafts are very tricky to understand. I suppose its largely about residence and when you are talking about children who are 14-15, residence can be tricky to pin down when you consider there could be custodial issues, maybe the family moves around a lot, etc., etc.
On Couturier, he did play minor hockey in Northern NB prior to playing his 15 y/o season in Notre Dame. Would this have made him eligible for the QMJHL draft regardless of whether his Dad was an alumnus at all? Perhaps the rules were different back then anyway.
I've found the case with the Sim's interesting. Both children look to be long established minor hockey players in Nova Scotia. Seemingly the only connection to Ontario is that their dad played in the OHL more than 20 years ago.... and that makes them OHL eligible? Yes is the answer to that question, according to the rule.
But is there a similar rule for the QMJHL? Let's go back to Alec Nasredine. He's a kid born in NJ (outside of QMJHL region) who likely played all recent minor hockey in the US system. His Dad played in the Q in the early 90s and is that what makes Alec eligible for the Q draft?
But then where does residence factor in? Alain Nasredine has been working in pro hockey as an assistant coach since 2010 in WIlkes-Barre, New Jersey, and now Dallas. That's quite a bit of moving around. And who's to say that he doesn't have a permanent off season home in his home province of Quebec? And if his "home" is Quebec then does that fulfil Alec's residency requirements anyway? Who knows?
The questions here are not just inter-provincial. Look at recent cases with guys like Theo Rochette and Miles Mueller both being eligible and not subject to import rules? It's tricky at best for even the most serious of fans to keep track of who should be playing where.
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Post by Briwhel on Jan 18, 2023 9:00:01 GMT -4
The eligibility rules for the major junior drafts are very tricky to understand. I suppose its largely about residence and when you are talking about children who are 14-15, residence can be tricky to pin down when you consider there could be custodial issues, maybe the family moves around a lot, etc., etc. On Couturier, he did play minor hockey in Northern NB prior to playing his 15 y/o season in Notre Dame. Would this have made him eligible for the QMJHL draft regardless of whether his Dad was an alumnus at all? Perhaps the rules were different back then anyway. I've found the case with the Sim's interesting. Both children look to be long established minor hockey players in Nova Scotia. Seemingly the only connection to Ontario is that their dad played in the OHL more than 20 years ago.... and that makes them OHL eligible? Yes is the answer to that question, according to the rule. But is there a similar rule for the QMJHL? Let's go back to Alec Nasredine. He's a kid born in NJ (outside of QMJHL region) who likely played all recent minor hockey in the US system. His Dad played in the Q in the early 90s and is that what makes Alec eligible for the Q draft? But then where does residence factor in? Alain Nasredine has been working in pro hockey as an assistant coach since 2010 in WIlkes-Barre, New Jersey, and now Dallas. That's quite a bit of moving around. And who's to say that he doesn't have a permanent off season home in his home province of Quebec? And if his "home" is Quebec then does that fulfil Alec's residency requirements anyway? Who knows? The questions here are not just inter-provincial. Look at recent cases with guys like Theo Rochette and Miles Mueller both being eligible and not subject to import rules? It's tricky at best for even the most serious of fans to keep track of who should be playing where. The residency rule for the CHL is two minor seasons for a non-prep team (hence residing where the team plays as opposed to boarding there) IIRC. Daniel Goyette, for example, was eligible for both because of 2017-2018 and 2018-2019 in Ontario and being born in Quebec. A more famous example is Nathan Beaulieu who played bantam and midget in Saint John to become eligible for the Q.
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Post by catnut on Jan 18, 2023 9:47:00 GMT -4
Yes, exactly. If your father played in one of the other CHL leagues than the one you would normally be eligible for, you can choose to be eligible for the league your Dad played in instead. Same happened to Couturier who was born in Arizona(WHL). Not quite the same as Couturier played minor hockey in NB.
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