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Post by Fryar on Mar 31, 2023 14:18:54 GMT -4
Crosby's ice time and development has been mentioned a couple of times in this thread. I don't see how he hasn't been given opportunity and isn't being utilized when he played probably about 75% of the season with good players on the third line. He has produced very little offensively and barely contributes physically.
Halifax's third line maybe the equivalent of the second line on a lot of teams but there have been very little results for Crosby. That's not to say that there won't be someday but, in my opinion, opportunity has not been his problem. Not sure what may be the issue or perhaps he was drafted higher than he should have been.
MacPhee moving up to 3rd line ice time was long overdue, or even moving Fournier up.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2023 11:50:09 GMT -4
Here’s a little fantasy roster I came up with for the 2023-24, probably won’t be anything close to this but this is what I’d try to come up with.
LINES Biasca (20) | Vidicek (19) | Dumais (19) *Gill (20) | Cataford (18) | *Arsenault (19) *Hughes (19) | *Zozulia (18) | Crosby (18) *Fontaine (17) | MacPhee (19) | *Dorian (18) Todd/Welsh (18)
MacKinnon (18) | Whynot (20) Furlong (19) | Martin (18) Schultz (19) | Phillips (17) *Boucher (17)
Rousseau Milner
IN Nikita Zozulia (import draft pick) Justin Gill (acquired opening night) Antoine Dorian (acquired from Ontario) Donovan Arsenault (acquired at x-mas) Simon Hughes (acquired at x-mas) Antoine Fontaine (prospect) Hugo Boucher (prospect) Jack William Milner (prospect)
OUT Reece Peitzsche (traded to Bathurst) Josh Lawrence (21) Evan Boucher (21) Alexandre Doucet (21) David Moravec (overager) Brody Fournier (overager) Brady James (overager) Zachary L’Heureux (nashville)
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Post by Charles on Apr 6, 2023 15:31:56 GMT -4
I wouldn’t trade Peitzsche , he’s part of the future , I know you’d get a good asset for him but he’s a late bday still 16 for half of next season, maybe flip Crosby or macphee or package Todd and welsh !!
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Post by scotiahockey on Apr 6, 2023 18:02:39 GMT -4
I wouldn’t trade Peitzsche , he’s part of the future , I know you’d get a good asset for him but he’s a late bday still 16 for half of next season, maybe flip Crosby or macphee or package Todd and welsh !! The problem is if you’re trying to get something good/impactful, you need to trade more than MacPhee/Todd/Welsh to make that happen. You have to give to get.
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Post by hockeydad on Apr 6, 2023 18:09:35 GMT -4
I like Peitzsche he has good size good in corners and in front of net has good hands needs to improve his skating I think by 18/19 he will be a very good q player in the top 6 .
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Post by Roscoe on Apr 6, 2023 19:40:19 GMT -4
Here’s a little fantasy roster I came up with for the 2023-24, probably won’t be anything close to this but this is what I’d try to come up with. LINES Biasca (20) | Vidicek (19) | Dumais (19) *Gill (20) | Cataford (18) | *Arsenault (19) *Hughes (19) | *Zozulia (18) | Crosby (18) *Fontaine (17) | MacPhee (19) | *Dorian (18) Todd/Welsh (18) MacKinnon (18) | Whynot (20) Furlong (19) | Martin (18) Schultz (19) | Phillips (17) *Boucher (17) etc.... I think Moravec back as a 20 is more likely than Whynot. Both long shots though....
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Post by Herd Fan on Apr 6, 2023 20:11:19 GMT -4
I think both Moravec and Whynot are both more likely than Biasca. I keep hearing Biasca is tuning pro in Europe and playing closer to home. With that said, I’m not so sure Moravec has done enough this year to earn both a 20 and a Euro spot next year. We have too much young talent that are ready to take next steps. I am on the fence about Whynot. This should have been his breakout year of being an absolute stud, and that clearly wasn’t the case. So he ends up back with the Moose because he just isn’t ready to take the jump to the next level.
Someone mentioned to trade Peitzche but I just don’t see that happening. Too much upside to him. As much as I like MacPhee’s work ethic and what he brings to the team, him and Crosby with Todd may get something half decent in return. Is that not enough to get something half decent in return? First rounder, 3rd rounder and 8th rounder that is playing above his draft pick.
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Post by Citris on Apr 6, 2023 21:29:38 GMT -4
I think both Moravec and Whynot are both more likely than Biasca. I keep hearing Biasca is tuning pro in Europe and playing closer to home. With that said, I’m not so sure Moravec has done enough this year to earn both a 20 and a Euro spot next year. We have too much young talent that are ready to take next steps. I am on the fence about Whynot. This should have been his breakout year of being an absolute stud, and that clearly wasn’t the case. So he ends up back with the Moose because he just isn’t ready to take the jump to the next level. Someone mentioned to trade Peitzche but I just don’t see that happening. Too much upside to him. As much as I like MacPhee’s work ethic and what he brings to the team, him and Crosby with Todd may get something half decent in return. Is that not enough to get something half decent in return? First rounder, 3rd rounder and 8th rounder that is playing above his draft pick. I don't think anyone is giving up high assets for MacPhee, Todd or Crosby. MacPhee is a good bottom 6 energy player, he'll be 19, he's a hard working vet for the bottom 6 with no proven track record of offensive production. You could trade him to a contender but I feel like the most you'd get is a 3rd. Crosby is a reclaimation project at this point. Nobody is gonna care he was a 1st round draft pick unless he can start showing that he can play consistently in this league. I think of guys like Ben Roode and Lucas Canning. Hopefully Crosby can take that next step. Both guys above are probably worth more to the mooseheads than they are anyone else imo. As for Todd, I don't think he's shown anything at this level to warrent being a trade target. He's in Halifax because he's local and the organization was very familiar with him. He's still young and has room to improve, but nobody is giving you value for that.
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Post by Reesor on Apr 6, 2023 22:13:51 GMT -4
As mentioned earlier in the year, Halifax's main assets will be both their 2025 1st and their 2026 1st (available after the draft in June), both of which should be high. They will also have 3 2nds available. If they wish to go the futures route, they have Cataford and MacKinnon to offer as futures. Brady Schultz and Markus Vidicek could be very good 20 year old players and could also be offered as futures. Cam hasn't used futures to sweeten deals in a long time, but the option is there.
Statsman brought it up a couple times this year, but there is another option. Trade Dumais next year and target 2025. Dumais gets the world via trade, and you use a futures haul to fill out a roster that will already have Cataford, MacKinnon, Phillips, Peitzsche, hopefully a couple decent to star import players, and possibly Schultz and Vidicek as 20s. Plus depth like Crosby, Todd, Fontaine and Boucher. Is Rousseau back as a 20? Could be one of the better goaltending options in the league. Couple downsides to that option:
- You risk going up against a lot of teams that are going for it in 2025 that is a Memorial Cup year. Next year the division will be a little tougher but it will be a lot tougher in 2025. - If you hold onto Cataford + MacKinnon, they go pro in 2025-26 and you lose the opportunity to trade them to kick start the rebuild. - Dumais could be a huge story next year if he tries to go for some high-profile Moose records, and could be good enough to actually noticeably help attendance. Would the casual fan understand trading him when the team could be good enough to win consistently even without adding?
I think this team could add a couple high-impact 20s next Christmas and look similar to how it looks now. They'd need to get lucky with the import draft. They'd also need Dumais to return. If he somehow makes Columbus (I think unlikely, but plausible) I think that really hurts Halifax's chances of doing anything, and they'd be better off selling in both 2024 and 2025 and absolutely stockpiling the picks and prospects with the assets they'd have available.
Next year looks similar to 2013-14. A megastar with a couple other high-profile players and a steady but experienced defense. That year Halifax had two high Import picks and Ehlers was a huge add. Meier was decent but would find his way the next year. They added Gadoury, but didn't really do enough to get themselves over the top. I hope if next year is the year they go for it again, they swing for the fences.
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Post by Jacques Strap on Apr 7, 2023 9:58:48 GMT -4
So in hindsight Crosby should have played Jr A or wherever when he was 15 instead of 4th line and less duty with the Mooseheads. I do get frustrated watching Crosby. He is a big guy and if he would only use his size to his benefit but he doesn't. If he could put on some weight and muscle he could be really effective imo.
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Post by Herd Fan on Apr 7, 2023 18:25:41 GMT -4
Perhaps Crosby should have played Junior A or U18 another year, but IMO the Moose staff took a gamble and it did not pay off. There was even a short 10 minute clip that they released to the public Crosby's draft year, and I believe they even traded up for him. It was clearly Allie's idea as Cam said at the end of the video clip, 'you better be right on this one". When they drafted him, many people were surprised at this as no one I know had him on their lists anywhere near that high.
The talk about trading Dumais next year seems crazy to me. We would have to be tanking by Christmas for that to happen wouldn't we? And I cant see our team with all the returning players not performing well. Our division will be a little stronger for sure, but I still think we will be on top of it. Hypothetically speaking, if we are tanking and throwing in the towel on the year, wouldn't we get rid of guys like Whynot, maybe Furlong in addition to Dumais for a crazy haul in return.
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Apr 7, 2023 18:42:15 GMT -4
So we want to evaluate the value in not trading Desnoyers last year. I expect he was supposed to be traded but did the result of him staying on the roster make a difference in preparation/maturity of some of this group this year.
Last year the Mooseheads did go the distance in first round with a top seed. Bathurst was very talented last year.
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Post by trueblue on Apr 7, 2023 20:29:07 GMT -4
So we want to evaluate the value in not trading Desnoyers last year. I expect he was supposed to be traded but did the result of him staying on the roster make a difference in preparation/maturity of some of this group this year. Last year the Mooseheads did go the distance in first round with a top seed. Bathurst was very talented last year. And one of the key pieces in that nixed trade (Natan Grenier) has not really made much of impact in the league. The extra 2023 first would have been some nice ammo though.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2023 21:36:26 GMT -4
Here’s a list of some potential available players to hit the market next season in 2024 not necessarily candidates for Halifax. I’m not exactly sure what Victoriavilles plan is but I believe they can be good in 2025, 2026. So throwing some older guys away makes sense. Sherbrooke, Gatineau, and Quebec should all be done. It just still makes sense for Halifax to do it again in 2024 when the division is still recovering from previous seasons, I think Cape Breton could be 2025 contenders, and maybe even bidders. I’m not sure how ready Moncton is, but they are certainly getting close. Anyways here’s some guys that MIGHT be available. Mostly 20’s right now. I’m not as good at scouting defence and don’t think that’s a big problem for Halifax but let me know if I missed anyone.
Potentially Contenders for 2024
Halifax Mooseheads Drummondville Voltigeurs Rouyn Noranda Huskies Moncton Wildcats? Baie Comeau Drakkar? FORWARDS Justin Gill (20) Tommy Cormier (20) Maxime Pellerin (20) Alexis Gendron (20) PHI (unsigned) Cam MacDonald (20) TBL (unsigned) Israel Mianscum (20) Milo Roelens (20) Cole Huckins (20) CGY (unsigned) Peter Reynolds (20) Robert Orr (20) CAR (unsigned) Xavier Sarrasin (20) Giovanni Morneau (20) Michael Horth (20) Antonin Verreault (19) Jonathan Fauchon (19) Simon Hughes (19) Donovan Arsenault (19) Dylan Andrews (19) Joseph Henneberry (19) Noah Reinhart (19)
DEFENCE Olivier Boutin (20) Tristan Luneau (19) ANA (signed) Vsevolod Komorov (19) BUF (unsigned) Ty Higgins (19)
GOALIES William Rousseau (20) Nathan Darveau (20) Ventislav Shingarov (20)
Last thing I want to say, taking Logan Crosby over Cam Squires when you had the chance was a huge mistake, wasn’t squires a projected first overall pick out of peewee? Why did he ever drop to 2nd round? I don’t know I just had to vent that little thing that bothered me.
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Post by knuckles on Apr 9, 2023 9:50:17 GMT -4
Here’s a list of some potential available players to hit the market next season in 2024 not necessarily candidates for Halifax. I’m not exactly sure what Victoriavilles plan is but I believe they can be good in 2025, 2026. So throwing some older guys away makes sense. Sherbrooke, Gatineau, and Quebec should all be done. It just still makes sense for Halifax to do it again in 2024 when the division is still recovering from previous seasons, I think Cape Breton could be 2025 contenders, and maybe even bidders. I’m not sure how ready Moncton is, but they are certainly getting close. Anyways here’s some guys that MIGHT be available. Mostly 20’s right now. I’m not as good at scouting defence and don’t think that’s a big problem for Halifax but let me know if I missed anyone. Potentially Contenders for 2024 Halifax Mooseheads Drummondville Voltigeurs Rouyn Noranda Huskies Moncton Wildcats? Baie Comeau Drakkar? FORWARDS Justin Gill (20) Tommy Cormier (20) Maxime Pellerin (20) Alexis Gendron (20) PHI (unsigned) Cam MacDonald (20) TBL (unsigned) Israel Mianscum (20) Milo Roelens (20) Cole Huckins (20) CGY (unsigned) Peter Reynolds (20) Robert Orr (20) CAR (unsigned) Xavier Sarrasin (20) Giovanni Morneau (20) Michael Horth (20) Antonin Verreault (19) Jonathan Fauchon (19) Simon Hughes (19) Donovan Arsenault (19) Dylan Andrews (19) Joseph Henneberry (19) Noah Reinhart (19) DEFENCE Olivier Boutin (20) Tristan Luneau (19) ANA (signed) Vsevolod Komorov (19) BUF (unsigned) Ty Higgins (19) GOALIES William Rousseau (20) Nathan Darveau (20) Ventislav Shingarov (20) Last thing I want to say, taking Logan Crosby over Cam Squires when you had the chance was a huge mistake, wasn’t squires a projected first overall pick out of peewee? Why did he ever drop to 2nd round? I don’t know I just had to vent that little thing that bothered me. You can probably give a few mulligans re Squires particularly with the weird COVID season / non-season. Yes he was a good U15 player in the PEI loop but struggled against own age at BK before coming back to play the 2nd half for the Mount at home. The amount he has grown in the last 2 years is also a large factor (no pun intended). Such a smart player but at time of the draft he might have been 5'7/8 (despite what the Q listed him at) - obviously starting to grow again now. Hindsights 20/20.
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