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Post by Reesor on Nov 7, 2023 10:38:01 GMT -4
I think there were very interesting trade discussions occurring in the last game thread. That isn't something I'm looking to derail, but I thought it was a good time to open this thread.
I mentioned before the season started that this team was missing an entire 2nd line, and I believe that to be the case now. Levesque, Crosby and Fournier have done extremely well at the start of this year, but I believe that is a very solid 3rd line on a contender and not necessarily the 2nd line necessary to win a championship.
Cam Russell has been very consistent with his approaches. He hasn't paid futures for star players. Even in 2013 and the 2019 Memorial Cup year, he has steered clear of that avenue. There have been multiple occasions where the general consensus said Halifax didn't spend enough, and he still hasn't used futures to his advantage. I get the feeling this year will be no exception.
If no futures are involved, Halifax has their 2025 and 2026 1st and 2nd round picks to use in trades. They also have Kilfoil. My gut tells me that if they made a deal with Kilfoil for him to report, they may risk burning bridges by trading him to another team immediately, and I don't think he gets traded immediately because of that. I see a player like Antoine Fontaine more likely to be traded. He is buried on the 4th line and the Moose are going to be better off with players like Todd and MacPhee on a 4th line heading into the more important games of the season.
Halifax have one open 20 year old slot, and I see that as the easiest, cheapest way to improve the team. There are some options out there for impact 20s and unless Halifax struggles in November, I don't see them filling it immediately. Perhaps if they lose Dumais for December they might get their shopping done earlier than the trade deadline. Robidas would be the absolute perfect fit for this team. But I don't see the price being lower than a 1st and a 2nd. Quebec will get their value for him if he returns.
A 2nd relatively cheap upgrade would be Ponzetto. But honestly all the best import players are on contenders. Saint John has a couple options but that may be unrealistic. You don't force a deal for a marginal upgrade there in my opinion.
It seems like it's going to be a rough trade period. Not a lot of teams going all-in, and not a lot of options. Prices may be high. Does Cam pull out a different trick to improve? It will be interesting to watch for sure.
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Post by Briwhel on Nov 7, 2023 10:59:08 GMT -4
I think there were very interesting trade discussions occurring in the last game thread. That isn't something I'm looking to derail, but I thought it was a good time to open this thread. I mentioned before the season started that this team was missing an entire 2nd line, and I believe that to be the case now. Levesque, Crosby and Fournier have done extremely well at the start of this year, but I believe that is a very solid 3rd line on a contender and not necessarily the 2nd line necessary to win a championship. Cam Russell has been very consistent with his approaches. He hasn't paid futures for star players. Even in 2013 and the 2019 Memorial Cup year, he has steered clear of that avenue. There have been multiple occasions where the general consensus said Halifax didn't spend enough, and he still hasn't used futures to his advantage. I get the feeling this year will be no exception. If no futures are involved, Halifax has their 2025 and 2026 1st and 2nd round picks to use in trades. They also have Kilfoil. My gut tells me that if they made a deal with Kilfoil for him to report, they may risk burning bridges by trading him to another team immediately, and I don't think he gets traded immediately because of that. I see a player like Antoine Fontaine more likely to be traded. He is buried on the 4th line and the Moose are going to be better off with players like Todd and MacPhee on a 4th line heading into the more important games of the season. Halifax have one open 20 year old slot, and I see that as the easiest, cheapest way to improve the team. There are some options out there for impact 20s and unless Halifax struggles in November, I don't see them filling it immediately. Perhaps if they lose Dumais for December they might get their shopping done earlier than the trade deadline. Robidas would be the absolute perfect fit for this team. But I don't see the price being lower than a 1st and a 2nd. Quebec will get their value for him if he returns. A 2nd relatively cheap upgrade would be Ponzetto. But honestly all the best import players are on contenders. Saint John has a couple options but that may be unrealistic. You don't force a deal for a marginal upgrade there in my opinion. It seems like it's going to be a rough trade period. Not a lot of teams going all-in, and not a lot of options. Prices may be high. Does Cam pull out a different trick to improve? It will be interesting to watch for sure. While I don't know that they are good options, the difference between SJ's imports and Ponzetto isn't marginal (they are currently 4th and 5th in import scoring in the league)
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Post by Reesor on Nov 7, 2023 11:00:59 GMT -4
While I don't know that they are good options, the difference between SJ's imports and Ponzetto isn't marginal (they are currently 4th and 5th in import scoring in the league) That was poor phrasing on my part. Saint John's options aren't marginal upgrades on Ponzetto. They would be good ones. But the likelihood of Saint John being a trade partner with Halifax is slim unless Bobby Smith leaving somehow allowed the relationship between the two teams to be mended.
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Post by Briwhel on Nov 7, 2023 11:07:08 GMT -4
While I don't know that they are good options, the difference between SJ's imports and Ponzetto isn't marginal (they are currently 4th and 5th in import scoring in the league) That was poor phrasing on my part. Saint John's options aren't marginal upgrades on Ponzetto. They would be good ones. But the likelihood of Saint John being a trade partner with Halifax is slim unless Bobby Smith leaving somehow allowed the relationship between the two teams to be mended. I don't think that there will be a problem with the relationship anymore. The SJ guys would be an excellent fit, but the question becomes whether what Halifax wants to move matches up with what SJ is interested in. SJ appears to be building around the 07 and 08 groups right now (or picks). The issue there in terms of fit is that SJ isn't likely to have as much interest in Fontaine. That being said, SJ appears to have a few guys that could move and fit different roles on other teams.
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Post by Reesor on Nov 7, 2023 11:34:23 GMT -4
That was poor phrasing on my part. Saint John's options aren't marginal upgrades on Ponzetto. They would be good ones. But the likelihood of Saint John being a trade partner with Halifax is slim unless Bobby Smith leaving somehow allowed the relationship between the two teams to be mended. I don't think that there will be a problem with the relationship anymore. The SJ guys would be an excellent fit, but the question becomes whether what Halifax wants to move matches up with what SJ is interested in. SJ appears to be building around the 07 and 08 groups right now (or picks). The issue there in terms of fit is that SJ isn't likely to have as much interest in Fontaine. That being said, SJ appears to have a few guys that could move and fit different roles on other teams. I mentioned Kilfoil. If there was a team in the entire league that would make sense for Kilfoil, it would be Saint John with where they are in their cycle and proximity to Kilfoil's home. I still don't know if Kilfoil gets traded, but Saint John would be the most likely landing spot if he did. And hypothetically, it would probably be in a deal involving Reynolds and not one of the import players.
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Post by howitzer on Nov 7, 2023 11:38:29 GMT -4
I know you're not suggesting to trade him, but Kilfoil is untouchable for me.
He's going to be a star, bordering on superstar.
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Post by Reesor on Nov 7, 2023 11:46:30 GMT -4
I know you're not suggesting to trade him, but Kilfoil is untouchable for me. He's going to be a star, bordering on superstar. I can see that take. He's impressed me so far. He'd have more points on a rebuilding team with more quality ice time. He's going to be a bright spot for Halifax in some down years and it would take a very specific circumstance for a team to pry him away.
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Post by Jacques Strap on Nov 7, 2023 13:03:14 GMT -4
I can't see too many circumstances where Kilfoil is traded. He went back on his commitment to that USJHL team to play for Halifax specifically. He has lots of family in Halifax. I think he has a bullet proof no trade clause when he agreed to come to Halifax. IMO.
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Post by Jacques Strap on Nov 7, 2023 13:07:38 GMT -4
I would trade Peitzsche and Fontaine before I would trade Levesque. Maybe that is an obvious statement. I really hope they don't trade him.
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Post by Briwhel on Nov 7, 2023 13:17:29 GMT -4
I would trade Peitzsche and Fontaine before I would trade Levesque. Maybe that is an obvious statement. I really hope they don't trade him. I don't think that it would be wise to trade a contributing forward unless the return made it impossible to say no.
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Post by howitzer on Nov 7, 2023 13:18:09 GMT -4
I would trade Peitzsche and Fontaine before I would trade Levesque. Maybe that is an obvious statement. I really hope they don't trade him. Agree. Both Peitzsche and Fontaine should be on the table. Peitzsche has made good strides this season, I've been happy with his development. But he's in play. I'd like to think Fontaine has good value but hard to say when he can't get off the 4th line.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 7, 2023 13:22:35 GMT -4
I can't see too many circumstances where Kilfoil is traded. He went back on his commitment to that USJHL team to play for Halifax specifically. He has lots of family in Halifax. I think he has a bullet proof no trade clause when he agreed to come to Halifax. IMO. He definitely has a no trade. I don't think its worth even discussing with Halifax likely to enter more of a rebuild mode next year. They will move picks and other assets to get what they need.
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Post by Briwhel on Nov 7, 2023 13:28:19 GMT -4
I can't see too many circumstances where Kilfoil is traded. He went back on his commitment to that USJHL team to play for Halifax specifically. He has lots of family in Halifax. I think he has a bullet proof no trade clause when he agreed to come to Halifax. IMO. He definitely has a no trade. I don't think its worth even discussing with Halifax likely to enter more of a rebuild mode next year. They will move picks and other assets to get what they need. He definitely has a no-trade. If he were willing to waive to go to SJ and Reynolds were willing to waive, I think Halifax and SJ could make a move where Halifax grabs SJ's top line (Mateiko, Reynolds, Reinhart) in one fell swoop.
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Post by Citris on Nov 7, 2023 14:17:14 GMT -4
He definitely has a no trade. I don't think its worth even discussing with Halifax likely to enter more of a rebuild mode next year. They will move picks and other assets to get what they need. He definitely has a no-trade. If he were willing to waive to go to SJ and Reynolds were willing to waive, I think Halifax and SJ could make a move where Halifax grabs SJ's top line (Mateiko, Reynolds, Reinhart) in one fell swoop. For me, when it comes to centers, Reynolds is #3 on my wishlist, behind Roelens and Henneberry. I think all 3 players are definitely upgrades on certain positions in Halifax, but I'd be looking at 2-3 adds up front. For wingers, IMO Mianscum should be the #1 target, but behind that Mateiko would be up there with Minville... Horth maybe as well.
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Post by hfxfan2002 on Nov 7, 2023 14:37:55 GMT -4
Liam Kilfoil is going to be an exceptionally great player, has a fairly strong IQ, and has a great level of confidence in the league. Would love to see him playing alongside one or two strong vets.
I love the drop passes, he’s very good at carrying the puck into the zone and finding options. He’s fast, not the greatest size, but he’s going to be a great playmaker. I’m surprised he’s not on the scoresheet at the 2023 U17 Challenge for Canada Red in Summerside.
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As I mentioned in our previous discussion yesterday would love Robidas who wouldn’t, and another player in Roelens that can play wing and center, Not sure the status on Reynolds but he’s another option. feel like he might finish out his season with Saint John and head to UNB. Then I like the idea of a 19 year old that you can flip at 20, and I think Jeremie Minville is that guy right now, we haven’t added a 19 on a while. Minville is currently a lefty shot playing right wing and is also listed as a center, I’m not familiar with his game though but I like to see that he came from Rouyn Noranda, I think that would be a little fun. Bring a guy in familiar with that rink and franchise and some of its player, not that it’d be explosive. And not that we may or may not face Rouyn in the playoffs, hehe.
Don’t think Luneau is coming here at all, I don’t like the idea of losing a player the year following.
I would love to be able to solidify a deal with Bathurst to get Joshua Fleming on our team as a backup too, he got 40 games under his belt last season, and he actually got an invite by the Buffalo Sabres this summer. I know his numbers aren’t the prettiest but he’s a reliable option if something happened to Rousseau. Not sure if they would take Jack Milner as a backup to Washington Capitals unsigned goaltender Antoine Keller or if they have any other options but I think Fleming is a possibility to be moved. Joseph Henneberry is another 19 year old option from Bathurst if they don’t go with the newly explosive Minville. There was an Ontario product I was really eyeing in Antoine Dorian who is the son of newly fired GM Pierre Dorian, he’s 18 but he got picked up by Quebec and leads the team with 4 goals, 9 assists, I’m disappointed we didn’t get him lol.
Here’s some of our top’ish prospects
Eddy Doyle (16) D Alec Nasreddine (16) F (NCAA Options Open) Jameson George (16) D Oliver St Onge (16) G Tucker Makinen (16) F (NCAA) Mathis Laplante (17) F
And the one guy on our roster I think is the only small trade bait we have is Antoine Fontaine, great depth piece that looks to be a bit stuck in our system, so I think another team could use him better.
So in conclusion I would like
IN Justin Robidas (20) C/RW Milo Roelens (20) C Jeremie Minville (19) C/W Joshua Fleming (19) G
OUT Brody Fournier (20) RW Antoine Fontaine (17) C Jack Milner (18) G *Eddy Doyle (16) D
LINES Cataford | Vidicek | Dumais Levesque | Robidas | Crosby Kilfoil | Roelens | Minville Peitzsche | MacPhee | Ponzetto Todd Moser
Furlong | Moravec MacKinnon | Martin Schultz | Phillips
Rousseau Fleming
Thanks for reading, none of this may happen we’ll see, lol.
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