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Post by hfxfan2002 on Nov 8, 2023 15:26:00 GMT -4
How about a Carter Bickle for your backup spot? He has been fairly solid for us, considering he was a free agent pickup.. Niko Boudreau had initially cracked our roster but got sent down to Jr A and has been playing great, I’m sure management want to see him up with the Isles at some point. Obviously not a ton of value in Bickle. Maybe Todd and a late round pick? Not sure how that name didn’t slide by me, that would be a nice backup option in my opinion. I’m fine with parting with Jake Todd if that means we can keep Antoine Fontaine in the depth chart, depends on how the islanders management feels really, I’m sure Carter would love to be on a contender, depends on team and player interest really. Give the reigns to Aksels Ozols. I know it’d make me and some others more comfortable knowing if we managed to scrape our way into the memorial cup and Rousseau got hurt then having an former OHL goaltender as your backup feels slightly more reassuring then a rookie Junior A player. I don’t know, you can beg to differ on that one!
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Post by gocapebreton on Nov 8, 2023 15:37:39 GMT -4
Is that what you got from my post? That might be on me, I haven't been very thorough with my posting the last few days. Yes, any team can lose, my point is that the evidence of the last 10+ years suggest that massive roster turnovers at the deadline do not equal championships - in fact we have evidence of the opposite, that teams that build either through the draft or by acquiring their core years in advance tend to have the upper hand when things get tough. Look at Quebec last year, yes, Robidas and Langlois were significant additions, but they were brought in to compliment the group that had already been established, they were never the backbone of that team, just a couple pieces to round out the roster. Halifax this year is not as good as Quebec last year, especially in terms of the depth and experience of that forward group, yes, but they're already a team that's sitting at the top of the standings with the majority of the team having the experience of a deep playoff run. We all acknowledge there are a few holes, but, what halifax needs most is depth, especially at center. They have the star caliber talent. Now, would Luneau be a nice addition? Absolutely. He could have an almost Noah Dobson type impact on the D core. Personally, I think the Shultz - Phillips pairing is a weakness of the team. Not because either guy is a bad defenseman, I just think 2 right-shot, offense-first 5'11" defenseman don't make a lot of sense together. I think both guys would be better served playing with someone else. If the defense can be upgraded, it would be this pairing... but overall we know this defense is pretty good. My thing is mostly, I don't want to spend what it would take to acquire Luneau without having figured out the forward situation first. I have thoughts on this, but I'll save them for a different post to stop from bogging this one down. Your example of Quebec is actually really bad. You should go look at how many trades they made last year. If you go back to the preseason trade period they made 16 trades last year. Then add the future part for Langlois that was another 2. So what does last year Quebec win prove? If we’re going by that model the maybe 3 or 4 guys coming that I’m suggesting isn’t enough! I think Citrus's example of Quebec was actually very good. Outside of Robidas and Langlois, virtually every other trade was of minor asset nature. It was not really significant on the core. The Langlois trade was a real, asset wise, win for Quebec. The Robidas trade was very good for them too, certainly in terms of asset cost. The point, which I assume Citrus was making, is they really did build that team mostly through the draft. That said, Halifax over the past few seasons has generally been very wise with their assets in trading.
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Post by statsman18 on Nov 8, 2023 16:17:41 GMT -4
Your example of Quebec is actually really bad. You should go look at how many trades they made last year. If you go back to the preseason trade period they made 16 trades last year. Then add the future part for Langlois that was another 2. So what does last year Quebec win prove? If we’re going by that model the maybe 3 or 4 guys coming that I’m suggesting isn’t enough! I think Citrus's example of Quebec was actually very good. Outside of Robidas and Langlois, virtually every other trade was of minor asset nature. It was not really significant on the core. The Langlois trade was a real, asset wise, win for Quebec. The Robidas trade was very good for them too, certainly in terms of asset cost. The point, which I assume Citrus was making, is they really did build that team mostly through the draft. That said, Halifax over the past few seasons has generally been very wise with their assets in trading. They only had 10 or so players they drafted and made trades for the rest of the roster and made 16 trades last year alone. It actually proves pretty much the exact opposite of what he was saying.
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Post by scotiahockey on Nov 8, 2023 16:56:54 GMT -4
I think Citrus's example of Quebec was actually very good. Outside of Robidas and Langlois, virtually every other trade was of minor asset nature. It was not really significant on the core. The Langlois trade was a real, asset wise, win for Quebec. The Robidas trade was very good for them too, certainly in terms of asset cost. The point, which I assume Citrus was making, is they really did build that team mostly through the draft. That said, Halifax over the past few seasons has generally been very wise with their assets in trading. They only had 10 or so players they drafted and made trades for the rest of the roster and made 16 trades last year alone. It actually proves pretty much the exact opposite of what he was saying. Until you actually look at the trades and evaluate them for what they were. 4 of them were just picks being moved around. 2 of them were moving 20’s for picks to give them a chance to play, another was moving a 20 for a 19 YO in Savoie in the off-season and 1 was a down-payment on the Robidas trade. 2 of the trades for players on their roster were brought in during the off-season, hardly the same as adding guys mid-season. Then they brought in Agostino/Thomson as depth pieces up front and Darcy as a depth piece on the backend. Adding players around the fringes isn’t the same as acquiring a bunch of your core players. The only big moves they made was to add Robidas and Langlois to an already strongly assembled roster. That’s not unusual or unexpected for a contending team. You know all this though, you just choose to ignore it because you’re the smartest person on these boards and it doesn’t fit your narrative.
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Post by howitzer on Nov 8, 2023 17:30:30 GMT -4
They only had 10 or so players they drafted and made trades for the rest of the roster and made 16 trades last year alone. It actually proves pretty much the exact opposite of what he was saying. Until you actually look at the trades and evaluate them for what they were. 4 of them were just picks being moved around. 2 of them were moving 20’s for picks to give them a chance to play, another was moving a 20 for a 19 YO in Savoie in the off-season and 1 was a down-payment on the Robidas trade. 2 of the trades for players on their roster were brought in during the off-season, hardly the same as adding guys mid-season. Then they brought in Agostino/Thomson as depth pieces up front and Darcy as a depth piece on the backend. Adding players around the fringes isn’t the same as acquiring a bunch of your core players. The only big moves they made was to add Robidas and Langlois to an already strongly assembled roster. That’s not unusual or unexpected for a contending team. You know all this though, you just choose to ignore it because you’re the smartest person on these boards and it doesn’t fit your narrative. Get outta here with your facts.
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Post by Citris on Nov 8, 2023 17:43:42 GMT -4
I think Citrus's example of Quebec was actually very good. Outside of Robidas and Langlois, virtually every other trade was of minor asset nature. It was not really significant on the core. The Langlois trade was a real, asset wise, win for Quebec. The Robidas trade was very good for them too, certainly in terms of asset cost. The point, which I assume Citrus was making, is they really did build that team mostly through the draft. That said, Halifax over the past few seasons has generally been very wise with their assets in trading. They only had 10 or so players they drafted and made trades for the rest of the roster and made 16 trades last year alone. It actually proves pretty much the exact opposite of what he was saying. she* first off. And yea, they acquired assets via trade, but they acquired Rochette at 17, they acquired Bolduc at 18, P-O Roy was acquired the season before, Cooper Davis was there for a long time.... Charles Savoie was acquired before camp started. My point is their group had a lot of time to bond and grow together. Langlois and Robidas were the real significant adds for them.
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Post by statsman18 on Nov 8, 2023 20:50:35 GMT -4
They only had 10 or so players they drafted and made trades for the rest of the roster and made 16 trades last year alone. It actually proves pretty much the exact opposite of what he was saying. she* first off. And yea, they acquired assets via trade, but they acquired Rochette at 17, they acquired Bolduc at 18, P-O Roy was acquired the season before, Cooper Davis was there for a long time.... Charles Savoie was acquired before camp started. My point is their group had a lot of time to bond and grow together. Langlois and Robidas were the real significant adds for them. Sorry on the He slip. I know better.
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Post by statsman18 on Nov 9, 2023 9:17:46 GMT -4
They only had 10 or so players they drafted and made trades for the rest of the roster and made 16 trades last year alone. It actually proves pretty much the exact opposite of what he was saying. Until you actually look at the trades and evaluate them for what they were. 4 of them were just picks being moved around. 2 of them were moving 20’s for picks to give them a chance to play, another was moving a 20 for a 19 YO in Savoie in the off-season and 1 was a down-payment on the Robidas trade. 2 of the trades for players on their roster were brought in during the off-season, hardly the same as adding guys mid-season. Then they brought in Agostino/Thomson as depth pieces up front and Darcy as a depth piece on the backend. Adding players around the fringes isn’t the same as acquiring a bunch of your core players. The only big moves they made was to add Robidas and Langlois to an already strongly assembled roster. That’s not unusual or unexpected for a contending team. You know all this though, you just choose to ignore it because you’re the smartest person on these boards and it doesn’t fit your narrative. Actually all of it doesn’t change anything. They still made 16 trades right or wrong? I will give you one was a down payment so the 16 turns into 15 because it was basically one trade over a long period of time. If you look at it again you’ll see they brought in 10 players (all of them played games as a Rampart) between the 2 trade windows. Now 2 of which obviously didnt pan out and were flipped at the Christmas trade period so now we can say 8 new bodies were brought into the mix. 2 were top level players and 4 were only role players by all means. That’s 6 players that were not home grown, Correct? Yes! The original point was made that Quebec didn’t blow up their roster and add a lot of players to win. So Quebec basically added a defensive pairing and a line plus a player to add to the top 6. That is by no means at all being a home grown team. On the flip side Halifax made a grand total of 9 trades last year. They brought in 4 guys one who they upgraded on and then trade said player away for him to get plying time. Also one of Halifax’s trades was a 2 parter, just like the Robidas one. The Lawrence trade and Swan trade were essentially one trade so we can make the 9 trades 8. The only players that Halifax brought in last year were Lawrence, Doucet and Todd via trade. So from looking at it that way, one can argue they need to add more players to get those 2 extra wins. Also thank you for finally admitting I’m the smartest here! I appreciate that.
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Post by statsman18 on Nov 9, 2023 9:51:53 GMT -4
They only had 10 or so players they drafted and made trades for the rest of the roster and made 16 trades last year alone. It actually proves pretty much the exact opposite of what he was saying. she* first off. And yea, they acquired assets via trade, but they acquired Rochette at 17, they acquired Bolduc at 18, P-O Roy was acquired the season before, Cooper Davis was there for a long time.... Charles Savoie was acquired before camp started. My point is their group had a lot of time to bond and grow together. Langlois and Robidas were the real significant adds for them. Actually what you just did was change the whole argument to my side with out know you did. I will admit I read this last night most reading your first part of the post. Seen that I reread my whole post think what does she mean by that and the 3rd last word I seen it and flat awful hence why I apologize. I re read your post just now then it hit me didn’t Quebec try and go for in 2021/22 because the playoff format was changed and it was a Q Mem Cup year. They sure did is the answer. I we go back to the draft of 21 and see the trades Quebec made to bring players in it shows how wrong your stance is. In fact Quebec doubled down last year and made more trades to insure they won it all and didn’t fail this time around. Man if Cam is going to follow Quebec model it’s going to be a fun trade period. However I don’t see that. I already said what I think will happen. However I didn’t say what happens next season. Cam’s MO as I’ve said numerous times is not to do the futures game. I think he will maybe dip into it with 1 or 2 players. The 2 players are Schultz and if Levesque isn’t traded this year in any move, I can see him being a future. Cam will want to keep Cataford, Vidicek, Rousseau and MacKinnon for next year. With those 4 alone he can reshape this team like he did in 2019/20 with the likes of Groulx, Lavoie, and McIsaac. Next year even after trading those 4 guys they can still have a competitive team just not a winner.
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Post by L'il Boy on Nov 9, 2023 14:32:12 GMT -4
Until you actually look at the trades and evaluate them for what they were. 4 of them were just picks being moved around. 2 of them were moving 20’s for picks to give them a chance to play, another was moving a 20 for a 19 YO in Savoie in the off-season and 1 was a down-payment on the Robidas trade. 2 of the trades for players on their roster were brought in during the off-season, hardly the same as adding guys mid-season. Then they brought in Agostino/Thomson as depth pieces up front and Darcy as a depth piece on the backend. Adding players around the fringes isn’t the same as acquiring a bunch of your core players. The only big moves they made was to add Robidas and Langlois to an already strongly assembled roster. That’s not unusual or unexpected for a contending team. You know all this though, you just choose to ignore it because you’re the smartest person on these boards and it doesn’t fit your narrative. Actually all of it doesn’t change anything. They still made 16 trades right or wrong? I will give you one was a down payment so the 16 turns into 15 because it was basically one trade over a long period of time. If you look at it again you’ll see they brought in 10 players (all of them played games as a Rampart) between the 2 trade windows. Now 2 of which obviously didnt pan out and were flipped at the Christmas trade period so now we can say 8 new bodies were brought into the mix. 2 were top level players and 4 were only role players by all means. That’s 6 players that were not home grown, Correct? Yes! The original point was made that Quebec didn’t blow up their roster and add a lot of players to win. So Quebec basically added a defensive pairing and a line plus a player to add to the top 6. That is by no means at all being a home grown team. On the flip side Halifax made a grand total of 9 trades last year. They brought in 4 guys one who they upgraded on and then trade said player away for him to get plying time. Also one of Halifax’s trades was a 2 parter, just like the Robidas one. The Lawrence trade and Swan trade were essentially one trade so we can make the 9 trades 8. The only players that Halifax brought in last year were Lawrence, Doucet and Todd via trade. So from looking at it that way, one can argue they need to add more players to get those 2 extra wins. Also thank you for finally admitting I’m the smartest here! I appreciate that.Really....when he said you were smart, I took it as an acronym: Smug Moronic And Really Tiresome
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Post by statsman18 on Nov 16, 2023 9:44:01 GMT -4
This is the weekend of the Monctonian tournament. I bring this up for two reasons. Reason one, this Is the first big scouting date on the Q calendar. That also brings many of the Q league GM’s in town and bring them altogether. This is where a lot of trades that are announced next month get consummated. Which brings me to reason number two. This was where the Lawrence trade was made. I have reason to believe another such trade could happen in the next week or two.
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Post by Joe Burrow on Nov 16, 2023 9:54:16 GMT -4
This is the weekend of the Monctonian tournament. I bring this up for two reasons. Reason one, this Is the first big scouting date on the Q calendar. That also brings many of the Q league GM’s in town and bring them altogether. This is where a lot of trades that are announced next month get consummated. Which brings me to reason number two. This was where the Lawrence trade was made. I have reason to believe another such trade could happen in the next week or two. Yup the 3rd overager is basically mandatory prior to dumais leaving for the jrs camp
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Post by statsman18 on Nov 16, 2023 11:03:51 GMT -4
This is the weekend of the Monctonian tournament. I bring this up for two reasons. Reason one, this Is the first big scouting date on the Q calendar. That also brings many of the Q league GM’s in town and bring them altogether. This is where a lot of trades that are announced next month get consummated. Which brings me to reason number two. This was where the Lawrence trade was made. I have reason to believe another such trade could happen in the next week or two. Yup the 3rd overager is basically mandatory prior to dumais leaving for the jrs camp That plus the whole Levesque issue and how long he could be out for. Not to mention does Cataford get the call too? That’s a lot of goals need to be covered.
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Post by howitzer on Nov 16, 2023 13:28:03 GMT -4
Crosby out too. Doesn't sound long term like Levesque, but what little forward depth Halifax has, is being tested big time. Gonna have to lean on the big line even more.
Would love to see trade made too but it's only Nov 16. It's not happening.
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Post by Score on Nov 16, 2023 13:49:00 GMT -4
As I mentioned already.....many times, Horth is 2nd in QMJHL goals scored.
He is 1ST in PP goals scored.
Bottom line is, the kid can score.
Goals scored do matter.
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