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Voynov
Sept 8, 2008 9:34:20 GMT -4
Post by CatsFan on Sept 8, 2008 9:34:20 GMT -4
Not good news. Let's home things turn out well.
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Voynov
Sept 8, 2008 9:42:20 GMT -4
Post by jimmy on Sept 8, 2008 9:42:20 GMT -4
I presume he'll play. He is allowed to play in international tournaments so there is no need to for him to sit anything out. I still don't see Vyacheslav playing until he is given the NHL's blessing. We'll have to see what happens in court. The NHL has already given him their blessing - they approved his contract, and Bill Daley is quoted as saying they had seen what they felt was conclusive proof that he was not under contract in Russia. I expect Voynov will be in Kings camp unless the KHL can get a judge/arbitrator with binding authority to agree with them, which will be difficult - the NHL does not have to abide by some Russian court, nor the IIHF, and I expect they will be reluctant to open the thing up to arbitration. The only way I see the KHL winning on this is if the NHL agrees to arbitration to get Radulov back (his contract would seem pretty balack and white to me), maybe the junior kids' NHL deals get overturned as a compromise to appease the Russians.
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Voynov
Sept 8, 2008 9:47:07 GMT -4
Post by mbastarache on Sept 8, 2008 9:47:07 GMT -4
I guess the IIHF board is mainly made up of Russia hockey athoretys. So the NHL doesn't have a lot of faith in getting a fair judgement.
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Voynov
Sept 8, 2008 9:50:17 GMT -4
Post by mbastarache on Sept 8, 2008 9:50:17 GMT -4
Just read that the arbitration for Radulov will be in North American court, but three others (Loktionov, Voinov and Mayorov) will be heard in Russian court. Not good.
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Voynov
Sept 8, 2008 9:50:59 GMT -4
Post by mbastarache on Sept 8, 2008 9:50:59 GMT -4
Sorry, misquoted, its the opposite. Radulov is Russian court and the others in North American court
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Voynov
Sept 8, 2008 12:40:08 GMT -4
Post by bjindaho on Sept 8, 2008 12:40:08 GMT -4
Radulov is gone...the NHL WILL NOT be able to force him to honor his contract...But he will never be able to play in an IIHF sanctioned event again until he honors his last year. Same thing with the KHLers...Nobody can force them to play their year because there was no agreement that expressly said no one is allowed to poach...
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Voynov
Sept 8, 2008 12:54:21 GMT -4
Post by mbastarache on Sept 8, 2008 12:54:21 GMT -4
Wrong. Here is the latest article. www.thehockeynews.com/articles/17778-Dispute-between-KHL-NHL-over-forward-Radulov-could-go-to-court.htmlZURICH, Switzerland - The dispute between the NHL and a newly formed Russian hockey league over forward Alexander Radulov appears headed for court. The Continental Hockey League (KHL) withdrew its appeal on five other player transfers at a meeting between the International Ice Hockey Federation and nine member countries held on Saturday, but couldn't resolve the Radulov case, the IIHF announced in a release. The NHL and KHL will now go to court or arbitration to decide who owns his rights. Radulov had one year remaining on his contract with the Nashville Predators when he signed a deal with Ufa. He believes the deal with the Russian team is valid because it was signed before the NHL and KHL agreed to honour each other's contracts. The Predators suspended the 22-year-old indefinitely without pay on Tuesday, but didn't rule out that he would return to the team in the future. "At some point, we hope Alex will have a desire to return to the NHL and compete in the best league in the world," Predators GM David Poile said in a release. "We will re-visit his status at that time." The KHL withdrew its appeal on five players who were signed away from the KHL by NHL clubs, including Columbus Blue Jackets winger Nikita Filatov, Minnesota Wild defenceman Tomas Mojzis, Vancouver Canucks centre Jason Krog, New Jersey Devils centre Fedor Fedorov and Phoenix Coyotes centre Viktor Tikhonov. The KHL did contest the transfers of three other players: Los Angeles Kings prospects Andrei Loktionov and Vyacheslav Voinov, and Columbus prospect Andrei Mayorov. To avoid future problems, the European IIHF member countries planned to create a standard player contract in order to strengthen the validity of contracts in IIHF-affiliated leagues.
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Voynov
Sept 8, 2008 13:56:34 GMT -4
Post by Optimus Reim on Sept 8, 2008 13:56:34 GMT -4
In all honesty in the case of Radulov, if the appeals court rules in favor of the NHL do you really want to take back a player who A. obviously doesn't want to be there and B. is going to bolt as soon as his contract is up.? Why would you give ice time to him when you have other young players who want to play in the NHL. Just my 2 cents.
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Voynov
Sept 8, 2008 14:12:35 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 8, 2008 14:12:35 GMT -4
In all honesty in the case of Radulov, if the appeals court rules in favor of the NHL do you really want to take back a player who A. obviously doesn't want to be there and B. is going to bolt as soon as his contract is up.? Why would you give ice time to him when you have other young players who want to play in the NHL. Just my 2 cents. They'll want him back if for no other reason than to trade him.
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Voynov
Sept 8, 2008 14:40:07 GMT -4
Post by Optimus Reim on Sept 8, 2008 14:40:07 GMT -4
I thought about that too but I don't think it was the organization that drove Radulov to Russia. So going to a different team wouldn't do much difference. He would still bolt to the KHL next season so his trade value would be severly diminished. And I wouldn't think there would be much demand for an unhappy player who has a pretty good chance of going to Russia next year.
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Voynov
Sept 8, 2008 14:51:42 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 8, 2008 14:51:42 GMT -4
I thought about that too but I don't think it was the organization that drove Radulov to Russia. So going to a different team wouldn't do much difference. He would still bolt to the KHL next season so his trade value would be severly diminished. And I wouldn't think there would be much demand for an unhappy player who has a pretty good chance of going to Russia next year. If they force him to honor his contract, he may not go back, he would be an RFA after that and could make 3-4-5 mil per year at that point.
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Voynov
Sept 8, 2008 14:54:41 GMT -4
Post by bjindaho on Sept 8, 2008 14:54:41 GMT -4
There was no agreement preventing Radulov's contract at the time...the court can't force him to work in another country if he doesn't want to...
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Voynov
Sept 8, 2008 15:35:29 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 8, 2008 15:35:29 GMT -4
There was no agreement preventing Radulov's contract at the time...the court can't force him to work in another country if he doesn't want to... The agreement was his contract with Nashville. If he can walk out on his contract at any time, what prevents an NHL team to just stop paying a player that's overpaid or under producing(McCabe for example)?
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Voynov
Sept 8, 2008 21:30:05 GMT -4
Post by MikeC on Sept 8, 2008 21:30:05 GMT -4
I thought about that too but I don't think it was the organization that drove Radulov to Russia. So going to a different team wouldn't do much difference. He would still bolt to the KHL next season so his trade value would be severly diminished. And I wouldn't think there would be much demand for an unhappy player who has a pretty good chance of going to Russia next year. If they force him to honor his contract, he may not go back, he would be an RFA after that and could make 3-4-5 mil per year at that point. I'm not sure what exactly you mean here. If you mean he just sits at home for a year and waits for his NHL contract to be up, that's wrong. Remember Yashin tried to do that with Ottawa and he was forced to honour the last year of his contract the following season.
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Voynov
Sept 8, 2008 21:34:18 GMT -4
Post by MikeC on Sept 8, 2008 21:34:18 GMT -4
There was no agreement preventing Radulov's contract at the time...the court can't force him to work in another country if he doesn't want to... The agreement was his contract with Nashville. If he can walk out on his contract at any time, what prevents an NHL team to just stop paying a player that's overpaid or under producing(McCabe for example)? Any player can walk out on their NHL contract at any time. They just can't play for anyone else, and they don't get paid. The NHL and NHLPA prevents teams from not paying their players.
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