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Post by pensfan on Nov 19, 2008 14:07:37 GMT -4
Oh, so you are an intimate friend of Cisse's mother and know what she thinks? Just how long has she lived in Canada? And Cisse's father, what does he think, as you appear to be intimate with the family.
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Post by SteveUL on Nov 19, 2008 14:47:05 GMT -4
Lets not discuss the personal lives of parents.
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Post by habh8er on Nov 19, 2008 14:51:03 GMT -4
Lets not discuss the personal lives of parents. Sounds like the reply of a guilty man........hiding something steveul? ;D
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 19, 2008 14:51:37 GMT -4
I actually herd him on the radio, in septembre, on a kids show for radio canada (french). and he said he was very happy where he was. the show was about the ncaa vs the Q route. they had another player speaking as well but I don't remember who it was. I don't think Cisse would go on a radio show and say he hates where he is and wished he was in Moncton. Lots of guys have started out on the NCAA route and changed their minds, just look at Kane and Gagne who are now in the NHL via London.
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Post by pensfan on Nov 19, 2008 15:04:41 GMT -4
I guess they interviewed him live from Des Moines because that's where he was in September.
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Post by habh8er on Nov 19, 2008 15:30:13 GMT -4
I actually herd him on the radio, in septembre, on a kids show for radio canada (french). and he said he was very happy where he was. the show was about the ncaa vs the Q route. they had another player speaking as well but I don't remember who it was. I don't think Cisse would go on a radio show and say he hates where he is and wished he was in Moncton. He could, if he truly hated it where he was and wished to be in Moncton. God forbid someone actually means what they say. And says what they mean. If it's not written in a contract, don't believe it.....and then sometimes it doesn't matter.
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Post by curtis on Nov 19, 2008 21:47:48 GMT -4
If you're looking to get drafted, I would think that a strong 68 game Q season would be a better measuring stick for NHL teams than anyplace else you could play at 17.
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Post by mikeb on Nov 20, 2008 8:36:20 GMT -4
If you're looking to get drafted, I would think that a strong 68 game Q season would be a better measuring stick for NHL teams than anyplace else you could play at 17. There are lots of kids who played USHL and then went to US universities who are playing in the NHL. I think you haven't really taken a serious look at all the "measuring sticks" that are out there.
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Post by buckybuckbuck on Nov 20, 2008 10:43:02 GMT -4
If you're looking to get drafted, I would think that a strong 68 game Q season would be a better measuring stick for NHL teams than anyplace else you could play at 17. There are lots of kids who played USHL and then went to US universities who are playing in the NHL. I think you haven't really taken a serious look at all the "measuring sticks" that are out there. I don't think anyone here is denying that NCAA isn't a viable league. What I tried to say earlier and I think curtis is trying to say is that if you are definitely NHL bound, than playing a lot in a lot of games is always your best choice. Maybe USHL has 60+ games, but Cisse didn't go the the US to play a lesser league than the Q, he went to play NCAA which I understand play 24 games a year. He will only be 17 next year and like Danis Pepin won't see much ice even though he's very good for his age. You can't deny that Lessard has developed into a much better player as a Wildcats than he ever would have as a NCAA. He played a lot in a lot of games. The same would apply for Jodoin, Brown..... If you screwup 1 or two games in a 24 game season its a big deal but in a 68 game season its not. We all know at 16-19 they all screwup sometimes and thats what developing is all about.
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Post by pensfan on Nov 20, 2008 11:41:29 GMT -4
NCAA play closer to 40 games. You must be confusing it with prep school. They practice daily and have world class facilities and strength and conditioning programs. You are playing against men.
No one is denying that the CHL is a good place to develop, but there is no guarantee that playing in the Q will get you to the NHL.
Sometimes in life you have to give up something to get something. I don't see how you can fault anyone for choosing the safer option of the NCAA.
Cisse certainly must have a "family advisor"? Surely,his family must have discussed the pros and cons of Q vs NCAA with him. I would imagine that it would be in his best interest to tell them if they were making a terrible mistake that would compromise his future?
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Post by AceKikr on Nov 20, 2008 13:32:16 GMT -4
USHL is as good of route as CHL in my opinion. They play 60 regular season games and they get to keep their NCAA eligibility... Some of these players get drafted by NHL (about 24-25 players per year out of this 12 team league), they can move up to NCAA after playing a few years on scholarships...a free education at Yale or Harvard sounds pretty sweet to me if you don’t get drafted..
four 1st-round picks in the 07 nhl draft...
There is not much difference from that league and a CHL league...
Its not necessarily where you play, it's how you play that makes the difference..
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Post by buckybuckbuck on Nov 20, 2008 13:55:00 GMT -4
If I was not going to the NHL then your right NCAA + Free Education is the best route. But in this case we are talking about Cisse. From everything I have ever seen or heard he will be NHL material if he wants it. In that case the Q is a better choice. Other players, yes some on the Wildcats right now, would have been better off going the USHL then NCAA route.
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Post by bjindaho on Nov 20, 2008 14:02:20 GMT -4
NCAA play closer to 40 games. You must be confusing it with prep school. They practice daily and have world class facilities and strength and conditioning programs. You are playing against men. No one is denying that the CHL is a good place to develop, but there is no guarantee that playing in the Q will get you to the NHL. Sometimes in life you have to give up something to get something. I don't see how you can fault anyone for choosing the safer option of the NCAA. Cisse certainly must have a "family advisor"? Surely,his family must have discussed the pros and cons of Q vs NCAA with him. I would imagine that it would be in his best interest to tell them if they were making a terrible mistake that would compromise his future? This might be relevant if players got drafted out of the NCAA...but for the most part, they are either playing Junior A or USHL when they are drafted...
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 20, 2008 14:03:42 GMT -4
NCAA play closer to 40 games. You must be confusing it with prep school. They practice daily and have world class facilities and strength and conditioning programs. You are playing against men. No one is denying that the CHL is a good place to develop, but there is no guarantee that playing in the Q will get you to the NHL. Sometimes in life you have to give up something to get something. I don't see how you can fault anyone for choosing the safer option of the NCAA. Cisse certainly must have a "family advisor"? Surely,his family must have discussed the pros and cons of Q vs NCAA with him. I would imagine that it would be in his best interest to tell them if they were making a terrible mistake that would compromise his future? For a kid that's a star at 15, Major Junior is better, simply because it's the highest level for his age and will challenge the kid. For a kid like Crosby to play NCAA it means he needs to play at a lower level than CHL for basically 2 years. He COULD jump NCAA at 17 with accelerated schooling but that's easier said than done and the success rate for that has not been great. Guys like Turris Towes J.Johnson E.Johnson is a waste of their time as they usually only stay for a year anyways.
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Post by bjindaho on Nov 20, 2008 14:06:26 GMT -4
Just to add, that's usually a year AFTER they've been drafted, where they would have been in the NHL, if they had went CHL...
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