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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 20, 2008 14:07:43 GMT -4
NCAA play closer to 40 games. You must be confusing it with prep school. They practice daily and have world class facilities and strength and conditioning programs. You are playing against men. No one is denying that the CHL is a good place to develop, but there is no guarantee that playing in the Q will get you to the NHL. Sometimes in life you have to give up something to get something. I don't see how you can fault anyone for choosing the safer option of the NCAA. Cisse certainly must have a "family advisor"? Surely,his family must have discussed the pros and cons of Q vs NCAA with him. I would imagine that it would be in his best interest to tell them if they were making a terrible mistake that would compromise his future? It's not necessarily a safer option. If he signs with the Cats today I'm sure his education is guaranteed. If he breaks his leg and can't play hockey any more in 2 months, NCAA he has nothing while the education money the Cats would give him is still there.
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Post by pensfan on Nov 20, 2008 14:42:20 GMT -4
Well of course, life is always a gamble.How about you spend 4 years toiling in the Q with a sketchy education (let's be honest here) and even if drafted, never play in the NHL? What if you accept an NCAA scholarship and only stay 1 yr? You just do what you think is best at the time. At least, if you keep your eligibility for a year or 2, you can still go back to Junior if you see that its' not working. Lots of kids play 2 yrs Midget with no ill effects, so at least he is playing high level Junior at 16. Don't underestimate the USHL by the way. It is a strong league and plenty challenging for a 16yr old. Maybe not for Crosby, but I do not see any Crosbys around the Q either at this time.
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Post by Dman on Nov 20, 2008 16:14:32 GMT -4
Well of course, life is always a gamble.How about you spend 4 years toiling in the Q with a sketchy education (let's be honest here) and even if drafted, never play in the NHL? What if you accept an NCAA scholarship and only stay 1 yr? You just do what you think is best at the time. At least, if you keep your eligibility for a year or 2, you can still go back to Junior if you see that its' not working. Lots of kids play 2 yrs Midget with no ill effects, so at least he is playing high level Junior at 16. Don't underestimate the USHL by the way. It is a strong league and plenty challenging for a 16yr old. Maybe not for Crosby, but I do not see any Crosbys around the Q either at this time. So, our educational system up here is sketchy? What do you expect when we go to school in igloos. I guess we should all go to the US to get educated, due to our substandard level of education available up here.
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Post by pensfan on Nov 20, 2008 16:23:19 GMT -4
I didn't mean that Canadian education is sketchy (and I AM "UP HERE" as well !!!) I meant that studying while you are playing in the Q can be sketchy for a variety of reasons. I did not mean that post Q education at a Canadian university is sketchy or in any way inferior to the US.It is just that in the US you play and study while (hopefully) waiting to play in the NHL whereas in Canada, you can play and study, but probably, most have abandoned the NHL idea. Just 2 different systems.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 20, 2008 22:06:36 GMT -4
I didn't mean that Canadian education is sketchy (and I AM "UP HERE" as well !!!) I meant that studying while you are playing in the Q can be sketchy for a variety of reasons. I did not mean that post Q education at a Canadian university is sketchy or in any way inferior to the US.It is just that in the US you play and study while (hopefully) waiting to play in the NHL whereas in Canada, you can play and study, but probably, most have abandoned the NHL idea. Just 2 different systems. This may be a newsflash to you, but most NCAA powers probably don't have their students studying rocket science.
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Post by goon on Nov 20, 2008 22:48:15 GMT -4
What some people fail to realize is that NCAA rides are pretty sketchy for players as well. My friend's brother did not play in the Q in order to preserve his NCAA eligibility. Played his time out in Jr.A, and out of nowhere his NCAA ride vanished. So he never got to play a game of NCAA or CHL, and lost all the education money he could have received.
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Post by pensfan on Nov 21, 2008 2:54:33 GMT -4
This may be a newsflash to you, but most NCAA powers probably don't have their students studying rocket science. [/quote]
So what? Nothing wrong with a business degree, for example. And it does best correspondance courses.
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Post by pensfan on Nov 21, 2008 2:59:25 GMT -4
What some people fail to realize is that NCAA rides are pretty sketchy for players as well. My friend's brother did not play in the Q in order to preserve his NCAA eligibility. Played his time out in Jr.A, and out of nowhere his NCAA ride vanished. So he never got to play a game of NCAA or CHL, and lost all the education money he could have received. Sorry for your brother's friend's misfortune, but if your NCAA ride vanishes out of nowhere, there might be a reason such as grades? There are plenty of kids playing NCAA on full rides that aren't sketchy.S...t happens everywhere of course and sometimes things don't work out. Also happens in the Q at times I hear.
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Post by mikeb on Nov 21, 2008 8:27:45 GMT -4
There are lots of kids who played USHL and then went to US universities who are playing in the NHL. I think you haven't really taken a serious look at all the "measuring sticks" that are out there. I don't think anyone here is denying that NCAA isn't a viable league. What I tried to say earlier and I think curtis is trying to say is that if you are definitely NHL bound, than playing a lot in a lot of games is always your best choice. Maybe USHL has 60+ games, but Cisse didn't go the the US to play a lesser league than the Q, he went to play NCAA which I understand play 24 games a year. He will only be 17 next year and like Danis Pepin won't see much ice even though he's very good for his age. You can't deny that Lessard has developed into a much better player as a Wildcats than he ever would have as a NCAA. He played a lot in a lot of games. The same would apply for Jodoin, Brown..... If you screwup 1 or two games in a 24 game season its a big deal but in a 68 game season its not. We all know at 16-19 they all screwup sometimes and thats what developing is all about. And none of those Wildcats mentioned are going to the NHL nor will they have an Ivy League education. So thanks for making my point. Unless your name is Crosby, there is no guarantee about being "NHL bound". And the NHL is filled with kids who played USHL and then NCAA.
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Post by mikeb on Nov 21, 2008 8:33:06 GMT -4
Just to add, that's usually a year AFTER they've been drafted, where they would have been in the NHL, if they had went CHL... Yeah, most kids who make the NHL jump right from the CHL to the bigs.
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Post by mikeb on Nov 21, 2008 8:35:59 GMT -4
NCAA play closer to 40 games. You must be confusing it with prep school. They practice daily and have world class facilities and strength and conditioning programs. You are playing against men. No one is denying that the CHL is a good place to develop, but there is no guarantee that playing in the Q will get you to the NHL. Sometimes in life you have to give up something to get something. I don't see how you can fault anyone for choosing the safer option of the NCAA. Cisse certainly must have a "family advisor"? Surely,his family must have discussed the pros and cons of Q vs NCAA with him. I would imagine that it would be in his best interest to tell them if they were making a terrible mistake that would compromise his future? For a kid that's a star at 15, Major Junior is better, simply because it's the highest level for his age and will challenge the kid. For a kid like Crosby to play NCAA it means he needs to play at a lower level than CHL for basically 2 years. He COULD jump NCAA at 17 with accelerated schooling but that's easier said than done and the success rate for that has not been great. Guys like Turris Towes J.Johnson E.Johnson is a waste of their time as they usually only stay for a year anyways. That's a short-sighted look at things. Life is more than playing hockey for most kids. Playing CHL doesn't guarantee an NHL career even if you're a star. Playing NCAA usually guarantees a degree. Even one year of university is better than none.
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Post by mikeb on Nov 21, 2008 8:39:02 GMT -4
NCAA play closer to 40 games. You must be confusing it with prep school. They practice daily and have world class facilities and strength and conditioning programs. You are playing against men. No one is denying that the CHL is a good place to develop, but there is no guarantee that playing in the Q will get you to the NHL. Sometimes in life you have to give up something to get something. I don't see how you can fault anyone for choosing the safer option of the NCAA. Cisse certainly must have a "family advisor"? Surely,his family must have discussed the pros and cons of Q vs NCAA with him. I would imagine that it would be in his best interest to tell them if they were making a terrible mistake that would compromise his future? It's not necessarily a safer option. If he signs with the Cats today I'm sure his education is guaranteed. If he breaks his leg and can't play hockey any more in 2 months, NCAA he has nothing while the education money the Cats would give him is still there. But you're not positive. You're are assuming and I've learned long ago don't believe assumptions.
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Post by mikeb on Nov 21, 2008 8:42:18 GMT -4
I didn't mean that Canadian education is sketchy (and I AM "UP HERE" as well !!!) I meant that studying while you are playing in the Q can be sketchy for a variety of reasons. I did not mean that post Q education at a Canadian university is sketchy or in any way inferior to the US.It is just that in the US you play and study while (hopefully) waiting to play in the NHL whereas in Canada, you can play and study, but probably, most have abandoned the NHL idea. Just 2 different systems. This may be a newsflash to you, but most NCAA powers probably don't have their students studying rocket science. It might be news to you that they actually do take respected courses. Not all hockey players in the NCAA are boneheads. Some NHLers who went NCAA are doctors and lawyers.
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Post by mikeb on Nov 21, 2008 8:45:31 GMT -4
What some people fail to realize is that NCAA rides are pretty sketchy for players as well. My friend's brother did not play in the Q in order to preserve his NCAA eligibility. Played his time out in Jr.A, and out of nowhere his NCAA ride vanished. So he never got to play a game of NCAA or CHL, and lost all the education money he could have received. You mean he did not try to play for a Q team. Was he even good enough to play in the Q. If his NCAA ride vanished, was it because of lack of skill? Not one NCAA team was willing to take a chance on him? What was the reason no team wanted him? If he was that good, some NCAA team would have expressed some interest.
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Post by SteveUL on Nov 21, 2008 8:55:09 GMT -4
This may be a newsflash to you, but most NCAA powers probably don't have their students studying rocket science. It might be news to you that they actually do take respected courses. Not all hockey players in the NCAA are boneheads. Some NHLers who went NCAA are doctors and lawyers. I agree with your first comment ... but I'm wondering who the Doctors and lawyers are. Ken Dryden got a Law Degree from Cornell ... Dr. Randy Gregg went through U of Alberta (not NCAA) ... Garth Snow has an MBA and probably the biggest reason he is the GM in NYI. But in more recent times who are the kids with these elite educations ?
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