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Post by bjindaho on Nov 26, 2008 13:50:14 GMT -4
And if they can move him...I get the idea the picture of Rioux fighting Roy is still fresh in a lot of fans minds, and for that, they don't want to trade Sebastien...
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Post by chsb on Nov 26, 2008 13:59:42 GMT -4
Boyle could be expandable if they pick-up a d-man. IMO Paris would be the best fit....he would fill in the offensive d-man void left when Voinov didn't report quite nicely.He should be able to be had without paying through the nose because of the quality of available d-men this year. Bourdon,Ouimet,Lessard, should all be available along with guys like Ward,Bolduc,Mallette etc...you look at potential buyers for elite d-men at there's not much.....S-J is set on defense,Quebec will likely be after an offensive d-man but I believe Paris cannot return there,same with Rimouski except they need defensive d-men,that leaves Shawinigan and i'm not sure who else in the running for a 20 yo d-man. Paris can return to Quebec.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 26, 2008 13:59:40 GMT -4
And if they can move him...I get the idea the picture of Rioux fighting Roy is still fresh in a lot of fans minds, and for that, they don't want to trade Sebastien... Say what?
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Post by chsb on Nov 26, 2008 14:01:50 GMT -4
Boyle could be expandable if they pick-up a d-man. IMO Paris would be the best fit....he would fill in the offensive d-man void left when Voinov didn't report quite nicely.He should be able to be had without paying through the nose because of the quality of available d-men this year. Bourdon,Ouimet,Lessard, should all be available along with guys like Ward,Bolduc,Mallette etc...you look at potential buyers for elite d-men at there's not much.....S-J is set on defense,Quebec will likely be after an offensive d-man but I believe Paris cannot return there,same with Rimouski except they need defensive d-men,that leaves Shawinigan and i'm not sure who else in the running for a 20 yo d-man. Shawinigan has Lemieux Roussel and Lacroix, all 3 have good offensive numbers plus Bourque-LeBlanc. Rimouski also has 3-4 offensive d-men. I think those 2 teams would be more interested in a "shutdown" guy like Bolduc or Ouimet. The Cats should be able to get a pretty good 20 year old d-man at a reasonable price. There are 6-10 of them possibly available and only 4-5 buyers. If Bathurst asks for Bissonnette and a 1st for example, the Cats can probably get Gervais, Lessard, Bolduc, Ouimet for less than that. If prices are too high they can still go after a Rioux or Mallette. I can't see guys like that costing more than a late 2nd or early 3rd or decent prospect. Lessard/Bolduc/Ouimet do NOT have the offensive upside of Paris for a contender. If the Wildcats do NOT offer the right price, he will be traded elsewhere for the right offer. He is one of three right now in that category with Bourdon/Gervais.
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Post by IslandersHKY on Nov 26, 2008 14:12:51 GMT -4
The Cats should be able to get a pretty good 20 year old d-man at a reasonable price. There are 6-10 of them possibly available and only 4-5 buyers. If Bathurst asks for Bissonnette and a 1st for example, the Cats can probably get Gervais, Lessard, Bolduc, Ouimet for less than that. If prices are too high they can still go after a Rioux or Mallette. I can't see guys like that costing more than a late 2nd or early 3rd or decent prospect. I think Mallette would be a great option for the Cats as he has good puck moving skills and as you mentioned could likely be had for a 2nd/3rd round pick. I know Carey is not a fan of Legault but I think he also could be a good option for a reasonable price. Last season he scored 22 goals and he would give Moncton that dangerous shot from the point to really help the PP. Of course there are better defensemen like Lessard/Paris/Gervais but they will also cost a top young prospect for a 4 month rental player which likely isn't in your best interest this season. Rimouski, Shawinigan, SNB & Quebec will all be big buyers. Likely better to let them overpay for the "stars" and instead focus on adding some good players to fill key needs.
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Post by IslandersHKY on Nov 26, 2008 14:15:22 GMT -4
Shawinigan has Lemieux Roussel and Lacroix, all 3 have good offensive numbers plus Bourque-LeBlanc. Rimouski also has 3-4 offensive d-men. I think those 2 teams would be more interested in a "shutdown" guy like Bolduc or Ouimet. The Cats should be able to get a pretty good 20 year old d-man at a reasonable price. There are 6-10 of them possibly available and only 4-5 buyers. If Bathurst asks for Bissonnette and a 1st for example, the Cats can probably get Gervais, Lessard, Bolduc, Ouimet for less than that. If prices are too high they can still go after a Rioux or Mallette. I can't see guys like that costing more than a late 2nd or early 3rd or decent prospect. Lessard/Bolduc/Ouimet do NOT have the offensive upside of Paris for a contender. If the Wildcats do NOT offer the right price, he will be traded elsewhere for the right offer. He is one of three right now in that category with Bourdon/Gervais. My opinion only but with so many good 20 yr old defensemen out there despite being one of the best I don't think Paris will command the price that many Bathurst fans are expecting him to as prices are all about supply and demand. I also think that Paris is about as likely to end up in PEI as he is in Moncton. And PEI will NOT be shopping for a top 20 yr old defenseman
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 26, 2008 14:55:12 GMT -4
Shawinigan has Lemieux Roussel and Lacroix, all 3 have good offensive numbers plus Bourque-LeBlanc. Rimouski also has 3-4 offensive d-men. I think those 2 teams would be more interested in a "shutdown" guy like Bolduc or Ouimet. The Cats should be able to get a pretty good 20 year old d-man at a reasonable price. There are 6-10 of them possibly available and only 4-5 buyers. If Bathurst asks for Bissonnette and a 1st for example, the Cats can probably get Gervais, Lessard, Bolduc, Ouimet for less than that. If prices are too high they can still go after a Rioux or Mallette. I can't see guys like that costing more than a late 2nd or early 3rd or decent prospect. Lessard/Bolduc/Ouimet do NOT have the offensive upside of Paris for a contender. If the Wildcats do NOT offer the right price, he will be traded elsewhere for the right offer. He is one of three right now in that category with Bourdon/Gervais. Not every contender is looking for another QB. Rimouski and Shawinigan already have a lot of skill on defense, they could use a "shutdown" physical guy like Bolduc or Ouimet. Lessard is not as skilled as Paris(still 49pts last year) but he is one of the top 2 way guys in the Q, probably a notch better defensively.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 26, 2008 14:57:17 GMT -4
The Cats should be able to get a pretty good 20 year old d-man at a reasonable price. There are 6-10 of them possibly available and only 4-5 buyers. If Bathurst asks for Bissonnette and a 1st for example, the Cats can probably get Gervais, Lessard, Bolduc, Ouimet for less than that. If prices are too high they can still go after a Rioux or Mallette. I can't see guys like that costing more than a late 2nd or early 3rd or decent prospect. I think Mallette would be a great option for the Cats as he has good puck moving skills and as you mentioned could likely be had for a 2nd/3rd round pick. I know Carey is not a fan of Legault but I think he also could be a good option for a reasonable price. Last season he scored 22 goals and he would give Moncton that dangerous shot from the point to really help the PP. Of course there are better defensemen like Lessard/Paris/Gervais but they will also cost a top young prospect for a 4 month rental player which likely isn't in your best interest this season. Rimouski, Shawinigan, SNB & Quebec will all be big buyers. Likely better to let them overpay for the "stars" and instead focus on adding some good players to fill key needs. I can't see Rimouski, Shawinigan or SNB in the market for an offensive d-man. I think Shaw and Rim could you a shutdown guy. SNB needs a lot of help up front.
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Post by gongshow on Nov 26, 2008 15:00:54 GMT -4
Lessard/Bolduc/Ouimet do NOT have the offensive upside of Paris for a contender. If the Wildcats do NOT offer the right price, he will be traded elsewhere for the right offer. He is one of three right now in that category with Bourdon/Gervais. My opinion only but with so many good 20 yr old defensemen out there despite being one of the best I don't think Paris will command the price that many Bathurst fans are expecting him to as prices are all about supply and demand. I also think that Paris is about as likely to end up in PEI as he is in Moncton. And PEI will NOT be shopping for a top 20 yr old defenseman I agree 100% with the first paragraph.That's basically what my point was on my earlier post in this thread. Your 2nd paragraph I don't quite understand?
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Post by hockey1981 on Nov 26, 2008 19:45:33 GMT -4
I think if Moncton wants to be a contender they'll need to get 3 players IMO. Players Untachable : Barberio, Gormley, Savard, Jodoin, LBD, Riopel, Eagles, Sill, Brown, Macausland, Bissonnette, Famin, Brannon, Cameron Guys I could see traded Stephens, Roski, Pettersson, Boyle, Dimitruk, Bell, Lahey Lessard(I think he won't be one of 20's next year, only reason why they might trade him eventhough having great year so far), Lane will probably be released at Xmas IMO I'd love to get a guy like Felix Petit from Baie Comeau, he'd be our #1 Center, then you can put Cameron 2nd line center, where he should be playing IMO. You'd probably have to give up a 1st round pick for sure etc for Petit. Wish could get Guillaume Goulet from BC but that'll never happen with him only being 18. Defense, I'd like to get a guy who's a top 3 D good in both ends. If get a guy like Petit or another 20 yr old Forward, that would meen can't get a 20 yr old D. Who's out there as a 19 yr old D that would be good fit for Cats.... Bourdon would be one, but he'll be too expensive....
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 26, 2008 20:11:41 GMT -4
I think if Moncton wants to be a contender they'll need to get 3 players IMO. Players Untachable : Barberio, Gormley, Savard, Jodoin, LBD, Riopel, Eagles, Sill, Brown, Macausland, Bissonnette, Famin, Brannon, Cameron Guys I could see traded Stephens, Roski, Pettersson, Boyle, Dimitruk, Bell, Lahey Lessard(I think he won't be one of 20's next year, only reason why they might trade him eventhough having great year so far), Lane will probably be released at Xmas IMO I'd love to get a guy like Felix Petit from Baie Comeau, he'd be our #1 Center, then you can put Cameron 2nd line center, where he should be playing IMO. You'd probably have to give up a 1st round pick for sure etc for Petit. Wish could get Guillaume Goulet from BC but that'll never happen with him only being 18. Defense, I'd like to get a guy who's a top 3 D good in both ends. If get a guy like Petit or another 20 yr old Forward, that would meen can't get a 20 yr old D. Who's out there as a 19 yr old D that would be good fit for Cats.... Bourdon would be one, but he'll be too expensive.... You said they should get 3 players and you named a d-man and a center...what else? Why would they release Lane? First of all he does what they brough him in to do and second before releasing him they would trade him as I'm sure a couple of teams could use an enforcer.
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Post by hockey1981 on Nov 26, 2008 20:21:41 GMT -4
I think if Moncton wants to be a contender they'll need to get 3 players IMO. Players Untachable : Barberio, Gormley, Savard, Jodoin, LBD, Riopel, Eagles, Sill, Brown, Macausland, Bissonnette, Famin, Brannon, Cameron Guys I could see traded Stephens, Roski, Pettersson, Boyle, Dimitruk, Bell, Lahey Lessard(I think he won't be one of 20's next year, only reason why they might trade him eventhough having great year so far), Lane will probably be released at Xmas IMO I'd love to get a guy like Felix Petit from Baie Comeau, he'd be our #1 Center, then you can put Cameron 2nd line center, where he should be playing IMO. You'd probably have to give up a 1st round pick for sure etc for Petit. Wish could get Guillaume Goulet from BC but that'll never happen with him only being 18. Defense, I'd like to get a guy who's a top 3 D good in both ends. If get a guy like Petit or another 20 yr old Forward, that would meen can't get a 20 yr old D. Who's out there as a 19 yr old D that would be good fit for Cats.... Bourdon would be one, but he'll be too expensive.... You said they should get 3 players and you named a d-man and a center...what else? Why would they release Lane? First of all he does what they brough him in to do and second before releasing him they would trade him as I'm sure a couple of teams could use an enforcer. 2 Forwards and 1 D IMO 1st line Center, 2nd line guy and top 3 D I don't think anyone would want Lane IMO
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 26, 2008 20:28:27 GMT -4
You said they should get 3 players and you named a d-man and a center...what else? Why would they release Lane? First of all he does what they brough him in to do and second before releasing him they would trade him as I'm sure a couple of teams could use an enforcer. 2 Forwards and 1 D IMO 1st line Center, 2nd line guy and top 3 D I don't think anyone would want Lane IMO Do you think Flynn knows what he's doing? Flynn seems to think Lane has value because he plays over half the games. You don't seem to understand that a hockey team is not built by trying to find the 20 most skilled players you can find.
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Post by hockey1981 on Nov 26, 2008 20:35:13 GMT -4
2 Forwards and 1 D IMO 1st line Center, 2nd line guy and top 3 D I don't think anyone would want Lane IMO Do you think Flynn knows what he's doing? Flynn seems to think Lane has value because he plays over half the games. You don't seem to understand that a hockey team is not built by trying to find the 20 most skilled players you can find. Are you saying Lane will play against the Quebec's, Shawinigan's, Drummondville's, Rimouski's & in the playoffs Yes Flynn knows what he's doing.... ;D
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 26, 2008 20:38:43 GMT -4
Do you think Flynn knows what he's doing? Flynn seems to think Lane has value because he plays over half the games. You don't seem to understand that a hockey team is not built by trying to find the 20 most skilled players you can find. Are you saying Lane will play against the Quebec's, Shawinigan's, Drummondville's, Rimouski's & in the playoffs Yes Flynn knows what he's doing.... ;D He'd play against Shawinigan...the others don't really have an enforcer.
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