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Post by Mike Gundy on Dec 3, 2008 2:44:49 GMT -4
looks more like a draw to me than a thomas win. also for the record, if thomas "won", why did neiderer celebrate?
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 3, 2008 23:07:39 GMT -4
Back to the topic at hand...
I can't believe some on here would actually be willing to trade Rio, Eagles etc in a season where the Cats have 48pts in 28 games, a pace of 117pts.
You may not want them to go all out and trade LBD/Bissonnette/BC's 1st(which I agree with) but it would not be smart for Flynn and co to kick some tires and dangle a few assets in order to maybe add another top 4 d-man or 1st line calibre forward. At worst if the prices are crazy, they can stay the course and keep developing the young guys.
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Post by buckybuckbuck on Dec 4, 2008 0:06:41 GMT -4
Back to the topic at hand... I can't believe some on here would actually be willing to trade Rio, Eagles etc in a season where the Cats have 48pts in 28 games, a pace of 117pts. You may not want them to go all out and trade LBD/Bissonnette/BC's 1st(which I agree with) but it would not be smart for Flynn and co to kick some tires and dangle a few assets in order to maybe add another top 4 d-man or 1st line calibre forward. At worst if the prices are crazy, they can stay the course and keep developing the young guys. 118 points in a weak division isn't worth much and you know that isn't going to happen anyway. If we had done better against Quebec and Drummondville I might say do what it takes but both of those games especially if not for Rio wouldn't have been good. We also need to play Sha again and see how that goes and also Rim will be loading up as well. It doesn't matter that you can beat PEI or Halifax everytime and rack up points. There is nothing worse than trying to go for it on the cheap and getting half way. We don't have enough dynasty offensive players to be seriously thinking about it this year and we can't do it on Defense alone. I'm all for trying to get some more very high end 18 year olds anyway we can to cement a dynasty team that starts next year and goes for a few years.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 4, 2008 0:17:47 GMT -4
Back to the topic at hand... I can't believe some on here would actually be willing to trade Rio, Eagles etc in a season where the Cats have 48pts in 28 games, a pace of 117pts. You may not want them to go all out and trade LBD/Bissonnette/BC's 1st(which I agree with) but it would not be smart for Flynn and co to kick some tires and dangle a few assets in order to maybe add another top 4 d-man or 1st line calibre forward. At worst if the prices are crazy, they can stay the course and keep developing the young guys. 118 points in a weak division isn't worth much and you know that isn't going to happen anyway. If we had done better against Quebec and Drummondville I might say do what it takes but both of those games especially if not for Rio wouldn't have been good. We also need to play Sha again and see how that goes and also Rim will be loading up as well. It doesn't matter that you can beat PEI or Halifax everytime and rack up points. There is nothing worse than trying to go for it on the cheap and getting half way. We don't have enough dynasty offensive players to be seriously thinking about it this year and we can't do it on Defense alone. I'm all for trying to get some more very high end 18 year olds anyway we can to cement a dynasty team that starts next year and goes for a few years. They lost to Drum on a blown icing call and beat Quebec, does that mean Quebec should be selling and they have no chance? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. What's a dynasty offensive player? The Cats are #1 in GA and top 5 in offense, not like they are among the worse.
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Post by L.J Dickens on Dec 4, 2008 0:18:18 GMT -4
Back to the topic at hand... I can't believe some on here would actually be willing to trade Rio, Eagles etc in a season where the Cats have 48pts in 28 games, a pace of 117pts. You may not want them to go all out and trade LBD/Bissonnette/BC's 1st(which I agree with) but it would not be smart for Flynn and co to kick some tires and dangle a few assets in order to maybe add another top 4 d-man or 1st line calibre forward. At worst if the prices are crazy, they can stay the course and keep developing the young guys. 118 points in a weak division isn't worth much and you know that isn't going to happen anyway. If we had done better against Quebec and Drummondville I might say do what it takes but both of those games especially if not for Rio wouldn't have been good. We also need to play Sha again and see how that goes and also Rim will be loading up as well. It doesn't matter that you can beat PEI or Halifax everytime and rack up points. There is nothing worse than trying to go for it on the cheap and getting half way. We don't have enough dynasty offensive players to be seriously thinking about it this year and we can't do it on Defense alone. I'm all for trying to get some more very high end 18 year olds anyway we can to cement a dynasty team that starts next year and goes for a few years. The Cats are doing a not bad job of staying ahead of everboby else in this division, but if you look at their schedule you will see that they have had and they continue to have, the softest schedule..If not for their soft schedule and Riopel, they would IMO,not be anywhere near where they are right now..Even in December,the farthest they have to travel in the whole month is Cape Breton..I say forget about making any run this year..There is not enough fire power on that taem...
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Post by buckybuckbuck on Dec 4, 2008 0:40:50 GMT -4
118 points in a weak division isn't worth much and you know that isn't going to happen anyway. If we had done better against Quebec and Drummondville I might say do what it takes but both of those games especially if not for Rio wouldn't have been good. We also need to play Sha again and see how that goes and also Rim will be loading up as well. It doesn't matter that you can beat PEI or Halifax everytime and rack up points. There is nothing worse than trying to go for it on the cheap and getting half way. We don't have enough dynasty offensive players to be seriously thinking about it this year and we can't do it on Defense alone. I'm all for trying to get some more very high end 18 year olds anyway we can to cement a dynasty team that starts next year and goes for a few years. They lost to Drum on a blown icing call and beat Quebec, does that mean Quebec should be selling and they have no chance? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. What's a dynasty offensive player? The Cats are #1 in GA and top 5 in offense, not like they are among the worse. 2005-2006 Goulet-Dupuis-Samson Pineault-Karsums-Marchand that's some dynasty offensive players. I can't remember them losing a battle on the boards that year. Drummondville game shots on goal were 37-19. Yes there was a blown icing call but we were lucky to be even in the game. 19 shots on goal isn't dynasty anything. Quebec shots on goal were 39-27 (all 3 goals scored on the powerplay) we stole that game from them. We also never outshot Quebec in any period. Montreal shots on goal were 37-25
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Post by Mike Gundy on Dec 4, 2008 2:35:50 GMT -4
They lost to Drum on a blown icing call and beat Quebec, does that mean Quebec should be selling and they have no chance? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. What's a dynasty offensive player? The Cats are #1 in GA and top 5 in offense, not like they are among the worse. who gives a shit about shots on goal when you have a goalie that can stop almost everything he faces? if this team finishes as they are now, they'll have home ice advantage throughout the first 3 rounds (possibly the 4th round if they win that game in hand on shawinigan), so therefore they'll have a "soft schedule" to help them. there's nothing wrong with winning playoff games 2-1 while being outshot 40-25. a win's a win. 2005-2006 Goulet-Dupuis-Samson Pineault-Karsums-Marchand that's some dynasty offensive players. I can't remember them losing a battle on the boards that year. Drummondville game shots on goal were 37-19. Yes there was a blown icing call but we were lucky to be even in the game. 19 shots on goal isn't dynasty anything. Quebec shots on goal were 39-27 (all 3 goals scored on the powerplay) we stole that game from them. We also never outshot Quebec in any period. Montreal shots on goal were 37-25
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 4, 2008 8:32:50 GMT -4
118 points in a weak division isn't worth much and you know that isn't going to happen anyway. If we had done better against Quebec and Drummondville I might say do what it takes but both of those games especially if not for Rio wouldn't have been good. We also need to play Sha again and see how that goes and also Rim will be loading up as well. It doesn't matter that you can beat PEI or Halifax everytime and rack up points. There is nothing worse than trying to go for it on the cheap and getting half way. We don't have enough dynasty offensive players to be seriously thinking about it this year and we can't do it on Defense alone. I'm all for trying to get some more very high end 18 year olds anyway we can to cement a dynasty team that starts next year and goes for a few years. The Cats are doing a not bad job of staying ahead of everboby else in this division, but if you look at their schedule you will see that they have had and they continue to have, the softest schedule..If not for their soft schedule and Riopel, they would IMO,not be anywhere near where they are right now..Even in December,the farthest they have to travel in the whole month is Cape Breton..I say forget about making any run this year..There is not enough fire power on that taem... Weak schedule or not, they have 2 regulation losses after 11 weeks of hockey, you don;t do that just because you have a soft schedule.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 4, 2008 8:38:18 GMT -4
They lost to Drum on a blown icing call and beat Quebec, does that mean Quebec should be selling and they have no chance? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. What's a dynasty offensive player? The Cats are #1 in GA and top 5 in offense, not like they are among the worse. 2005-2006 Goulet-Dupuis-Samson Pineault-Karsums-Marchand that's some dynasty offensive players. I can't remember them losing a battle on the boards that year. Drummondville game shots on goal were 37-19. Yes there was a blown icing call but we were lucky to be even in the game. 19 shots on goal isn't dynasty anything. Quebec shots on goal were 39-27 (all 3 goals scored on the powerplay) we stole that game from them. We also never outshot Quebec in any period. Montreal shots on goal were 37-25 Samson was on the 3rd line in 05-06, he only developped into a frontline offensive guy the following year. Chabot was the 2nd line center after the Bourdon trade and he was 17. Marchand was a good player but also 17. If you don't remember them losing any battles on the boards, maybe you need a better memory or to take the rose coloured glasses off. On that point this team is great in 1 on 1 battles. I don't think you can say this team is no good because they don't have the star offensive power that team had. They are different teams. Just because of that I don't think that is a reason to sell or not make the additions that could get us to the league title. Lewiston's team 2 years ago and Gatineau last year were not consensus chmpionship teams but they used grit and goaltending to win the title.
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Post by joepuck on Dec 4, 2008 10:25:33 GMT -4
If you were at the game in Drummondville please dont look at the shots on goal, everytime Moncton took 3 shots they recorded 1 everytime Drummonville shot once they recorded 3!! thats a fact I was there!!
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Post by Judas In My Mind on Dec 4, 2008 10:37:52 GMT -4
Back to the topic at hand... I can't believe some on here would actually be willing to trade Rio, Eagles etc in a season where the Cats have 48pts in 28 games, a pace of 117pts. You may not want them to go all out and trade LBD/Bissonnette/BC's 1st(which I agree with) but it would not be smart for Flynn and co to kick some tires and dangle a few assets in order to maybe add another top 4 d-man or 1st line calibre forward. At worst if the prices are crazy, they can stay the course and keep developing the young guys. 118 points in a weak division isn't worth much and you know that isn't going to happen anyway. If we had done better against Quebec and Drummondville I might say do what it takes but both of those games especially if not for Rio wouldn't have been good. We also need to play Sha again and see how that goes and also Rim will be loading up as well. It doesn't matter that you can beat PEI or Halifax everytime and rack up points. There is nothing worse than trying to go for it on the cheap and getting half way. We don't have enough dynasty offensive players to be seriously thinking about it this year and we can't do it on Defense alone. I'm all for trying to get some more very high end 18 year olds anyway we can to cement a dynasty team that starts next year and goes for a few years. I'm not saying I think Moncton will win it all and should "go for it" or anything, but I do disagree with two parts of what you said in there Bucky. First the 118 points in a weak division remark, not counting for much. It actually does count for a lot. That would certainly get you the regular season league title. You'd win the division and avoid having to play Cape Breton or Saint John in round one, meaning a much easier 1st round. Then in the second round everyone gets seeded 1-8 based on points. Moncton would get seeded 1st, and get the weakest second round team. Usually there is at least one upset in round one, so that second round team you face could be another weak sister. Thus you could get all the way to the semis before having a tough series. The other part I disagree with was your comment about not being able to do it on defense alone. You don't have to. You also have the best goaltending. If great goaltending and defensive systems weren't ever enough to win championships, New Jersey wouldn't have any Stanley Cups.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 4, 2008 10:44:41 GMT -4
118 points in a weak division isn't worth much and you know that isn't going to happen anyway. If we had done better against Quebec and Drummondville I might say do what it takes but both of those games especially if not for Rio wouldn't have been good. We also need to play Sha again and see how that goes and also Rim will be loading up as well. It doesn't matter that you can beat PEI or Halifax everytime and rack up points. There is nothing worse than trying to go for it on the cheap and getting half way. We don't have enough dynasty offensive players to be seriously thinking about it this year and we can't do it on Defense alone. I'm all for trying to get some more very high end 18 year olds anyway we can to cement a dynasty team that starts next year and goes for a few years. I'm not saying I think Moncton will win it all and should "go for it" or anything, but I do disagree with two parts of what you said in there Bucky. First the 118 points in a weak division remark, not counting for much. It actually does count for a lot. That would certainly get you the regular season league title. You'd win the division and avoid having to play Cape Breton or Saint John in round one, meaning a much easier 1st round. Then in the second round everyone gets seeded 1-8 based on points. Moncton would get seeded 1st, and get the weakest second round team. Usually there is at least one upset in round one, so that second round team you face could be another weak sister. Thus you could get all the way to the semis before having a tough series. The other part I disagree with was your comment about not being able to do it on defense alone. You don't have to. You also have the best goaltending. If great goaltending and defensive systems weren't ever enough to win championships, New Jersey wouldn't have any Stanley Cups. Anaheim won a cup with defense and goaltending also.
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Post by buckybuckbuck on Dec 4, 2008 11:08:21 GMT -4
2005-2006 Goulet-Dupuis-Samson Pineault-Karsums-Marchand that's some dynasty offensive players. I can't remember them losing a battle on the boards that year. Drummondville game shots on goal were 37-19. Yes there was a blown icing call but we were lucky to be even in the game. 19 shots on goal isn't dynasty anything. Quebec shots on goal were 39-27 (all 3 goals scored on the powerplay) we stole that game from them. We also never outshot Quebec in any period. Montreal shots on goal were 37-25 Samson was on the 3rd line in 05-06, he only developped into a front line offensive guy the following year. Chabot was the 2nd line center after the Bourdon trade and he was 17. Marchand was a good player but also 17. If you don't remember them losing any battles on the boards, maybe you need a better memory or to take the rose coloured glasses off. On that point this team is great in 1 on 1 battles. I don't think you can say this team is no good because they don't have the star offensive power that team had. They are different teams. Just because of that I don't think that is a reason to sell or not make the additions that could get us to the league title. Lewiston's team 2 years ago and Gatineau last year were not consensus chmpionship teams but they used grit and goaltending to win the title. Samson was always dynasty but used on the PK so he did his role. Nearly caused him not to go Professional but the next year under Torchetti he was allowed to open up and put up points. I don't think anyone in Moncton thought he wasn't the player he became the next year, in 2005-2006. I remember a hell of a lot of cheering at the end of the year celebrations when ever his name was mentioned and he was most people's favorite 2005-2006 Wildcats for a reason. You have to stop focusing on the record and start focusing on what we have to do to be the favorite to beat the second best team in the league. That is right now Shawinigan who is significantly than the team that we saw here. They will be adding at well at Christmas. Then because Roberts objective is to win the Mem Cup you need to look at what we need to do to be the favorite to win the Mem Cup just as Nolan talked about. The simple fact is that we would need three very high end offensive threats. How much would they cost? Voinov wouldn't hurt either. In two years Daost, Downe, Trembley, Bissionette, probably Cisse, LDB and the 2010 first rounders will be 17-18 years old and high end producing. We need some more Dimitruk, Brown, and McAusland year to compete next year and the year after that. Its a major hole in the team over the next couple of years. How much is Barbario worth? Do you trade Rio he might(?) be here next year when we really need him. Maybe Sill could provide considerable leadership to a contender? V'Dor traded Bourdon and have had years of benefit ever since. It doesn't matter to me what they decide but I'm hedging for stay the course trade Barbarieo for two high end 18 year olds.
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Post by catnut on Dec 4, 2008 11:12:17 GMT -4
Why trade an 18 YO Barberio? He will be here next year. That makes absolutely no sense.
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Post by buckybuckbuck on Dec 4, 2008 11:19:41 GMT -4
Why trade an 18 YO Barberio? He will be here next year. That makes absolutely no sense. Sorry about that, I always think he is 19 this year. Your absolutely right if he's 18 this year and 19 next I would never trade him. I think however that further makes my point that next years team will be much stronger even than this years team. Why are we trading away the future?
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