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Post by hockey1981 on Nov 26, 2008 10:53:23 GMT -4
Anyone know when the trading Periods Begin & End...
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Post by canucklehead on Nov 26, 2008 10:57:50 GMT -4
Dec. 20 - Jan. 8
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 26, 2008 11:30:30 GMT -4
24 days away! I think barring a complete collapse the next 3 weeks, like going 1-8-1 or something, right now the Cats project to 116 points. I think they will be buyers. I think getting around 100 is a reasonable expectation given that they probably won't go another 2 months undefeated and they will lose a lot of players during the hollidays(Bissonnette LBD Famin Gormley and possible replacements in O'brien and Downe will also be unavailable). The logical additions would be... A-a top 4 d-man that can help run the PP. This would take some of the heat off Gormley. This could be a 20 year old d-man...Gervais, Paris, Lessard, Mallette, Legault. and/or B-another 80-90 point forward. Right now the Cats have a pile of 20 goal scorers and 50 point guys but only Eagles is a sure fire top 20 scorer. A guy like Macenauer, Desjardins, Petit, Joly or Byron would help that. The available assets... -Futures on current players, not a great option as they want to contend next year also -Gormley, LBD, Bissonnette are pretty much off limits, same for Brown and MacAusland -O'brien(A), D'aoust(A), Downe(A), Noseworthy(B), Roski(B) are the primary prospect assets -The top 4 picks in the first 2 rounds this year are good assets. They'd prefer to trade their 1st and keep BC's unless it's for a big time player as this pick should be top 5. The Cats 1st and 2nd plus Victo's 2nd are pretty good assets.
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Post by hockey1981 on Nov 26, 2008 12:32:03 GMT -4
I heard Famin is leaving after Sunday's game for World Junior's...
I also think Cats will be buyers...Probably adding a 20 yr old and a 19 yr old.
Lessard, Ouimet or Petit (Baie Comeau) Byron or Mallette (Gatineau) Rioux ( Chicoutimi)
That's players I think Cats will go for...
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Post by canucklehead on Nov 26, 2008 12:47:09 GMT -4
I heard Famin is leaving after Sunday's game for World Junior's... I also think Cats will be buyers...Probably adding a 20 yr old and a 19 yr old. Lessard, Ouimet or Petit (Baie Comeau) Byron or Mallette (Gatineau) Rioux ( Chicoutimi) That's players I think Cats will go for... I hear that Byron is going to be dealt but I haven't heard Moncton's name mentioned yet ... The rest of your names are all possible trade guys that I have heard nothing about yet.
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Post by wild1 on Nov 26, 2008 12:48:40 GMT -4
I still think there is a chance Voinov may show up here, if he does than we don't need to trade for another dman, but we could use 1 or 2 goal scorers. I just don't want the Cats to deal away their top picks, one of the second rounders would be ok but, not both and not the 2 1st rounders. I would rather they deal away prospects like: Lariviere, Blain, Cadet, Martin, MacMillan, Tremblay and I would be ok with dealing someone off the roster: Lahey, Stephens, Boyle, maybe even Lessard for the right player.
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Post by hockey1981 on Nov 26, 2008 12:49:51 GMT -4
Byron will probably go to Shawinigan.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 26, 2008 12:57:09 GMT -4
I still think there is a chance Voinov may show up here, if he does than we don't need to trade for another dman, but we could use 1 or 2 goal scorers. I just don't want the Cats to deal away their top picks, one of the second rounders would be ok but, not both and not the 2 1st rounders. I would rather they deal away prospects like: Lariviere, Blain, Cadet, Martin, MacMillan, Tremblay and I would be ok with dealing someone off the roster: Lahey, Stephens, Boyle, maybe even Lessard for the right player. Blain and Martin are not even Cats property anymore. MacMillan and Lariviere have very little value in a trade. One is in Midget AA and the other has 10pts in 23 MAAA games. Cadet and Tremblay have some value but if you want to add a premier 19 or 20 year old you need AT LEAST a 1st rounder or a premier prospect. I don't mind if they trade their 1st, but I'm sure they would be hesitant to trade BC's 1st. 2nd rounders they can trade one and keep one. You have to give up quality to get quality...as long as they don't get hosed. Lessard is one of our best players, and Boyle stabilises the 3rd pair, plus I doubt he would get you any more than a pick.
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Post by chsb on Nov 26, 2008 13:07:31 GMT -4
24 days away! I think barring a complete collapse the next 3 weeks, like going 1-8-1 or something, right now the Cats project to 116 points. I think they will be buyers. I think getting around 100 is a reasonable expectation given that they probably won't go another 2 months undefeated and they will lose a lot of players during the hollidays(Bissonnette LBD Famin Gormley and possible replacements in O'brien and Downe will also be unavailable). The logical additions would be... A-a top 4 d-man that can help run the PP. This would take some of the heat off Gormley. This could be a 20 year old d-man...Gervais, Paris, Lessard, Mallette, Legault. and/or B-another 80-90 point forward. Right now the Cats have a pile of 20 goal scorers and 50 point guys but only Eagles is a sure fire top 20 scorer. A guy like Macenauer, Desjardins, Petit, Joly or Byron would help that. The available assets... -Futures on current players, not a great option as they want to contend next year also -Gormley, LBD, Bissonnette are pretty much off limits, same for Brown and MacAusland -O'brien(A), D'aoust(A), Downe(A), Noseworthy(B), Roski(B) are the primary prospect assets -The top 4 picks in the first 2 rounds this year are good assets. They'd prefer to trade their 1st and keep BC's unless it's for a big time player as this pick should be top 5. The Cats 1st and 2nd plus Victo's 2nd are pretty good assets. Perfect description of Paris and Joly
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Post by bjindaho on Nov 26, 2008 13:13:52 GMT -4
24 days away! I think barring a complete collapse the next 3 weeks, like going 1-8-1 or something, right now the Cats project to 116 points. I think they will be buyers. I think getting around 100 is a reasonable expectation given that they probably won't go another 2 months undefeated and they will lose a lot of players during the hollidays(Bissonnette LBD Famin Gormley and possible replacements in O'brien and Downe will also be unavailable). The logical additions would be... A-a top 4 d-man that can help run the PP. This would take some of the heat off Gormley. This could be a 20 year old d-man...Gervais, Paris, Lessard, Mallette, Legault. and/or B-another 80-90 point forward. Right now the Cats have a pile of 20 goal scorers and 50 point guys but only Eagles is a sure fire top 20 scorer. A guy like Macenauer, Desjardins, Petit, Joly or Byron would help that. The available assets... -Futures on current players, not a great option as they want to contend next year also -Gormley, LBD, Bissonnette are pretty much off limits, same for Brown and MacAusland -O'brien(A), D'aoust(A), Downe(A), Noseworthy(B), Roski(B) are the primary prospect assets -The top 4 picks in the first 2 rounds this year are good assets. They'd prefer to trade their 1st and keep BC's unless it's for a big time player as this pick should be top 5. The Cats 1st and 2nd plus Victo's 2nd are pretty good assets. Given your plethora of picks, it is likely there will be picks involved...other than O'Brien, I'm not sure what your prospects would be worth to other teams for trade...and I wouldn't be closed to trading players like MacAusland depending on what you are getting (for example, if it was part of a package to get Byron and Chabot, it wouldn't be so bad)...
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Post by gongshow on Nov 26, 2008 13:16:36 GMT -4
Boyle could be expandable if they pick-up a d-man.
IMO Paris would be the best fit....he would fill in the offensive d-man void left when Voinov didn't report quite nicely.He should be able to be had without paying through the nose because of the quality of available d-men this year.
Bourdon,Ouimet,Lessard, should all be available along with guys like Ward,Bolduc,Mallette etc...you look at potential buyers for elite d-men at there's not much.....S-J is set on defense,Quebec will likely be after an offensive d-man but I believe Paris cannot return there,same with Rimouski except they need defensive d-men,that leaves Shawinigan and i'm not sure who else in the running for a 20 yo d-man.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 26, 2008 13:37:44 GMT -4
Boyle could be expandable if they pick-up a d-man. IMO Paris would be the best fit....he would fill in the offensive d-man void left when Voinov didn't report quite nicely.He should be able to be had without paying through the nose because of the quality of available d-men this year. Bourdon,Ouimet,Lessard, should all be available along with guys like Ward,Bolduc,Mallette etc...you look at potential buyers for elite d-men at there's not much.....S-J is set on defense,Quebec will likely be after an offensive d-man but I believe Paris cannot return there,same with Rimouski except they need defensive d-men,that leaves Shawinigan and i'm not sure who else in the running for a 20 yo d-man. Shawinigan has Lemieux Roussel and Lacroix, all 3 have good offensive numbers plus Bourque-LeBlanc. Rimouski also has 3-4 offensive d-men. I think those 2 teams would be more interested in a "shutdown" guy like Bolduc or Ouimet. The Cats should be able to get a pretty good 20 year old d-man at a reasonable price. There are 6-10 of them possibly available and only 4-5 buyers. If Bathurst asks for Bissonnette and a 1st for example, the Cats can probably get Gervais, Lessard, Bolduc, Ouimet for less than that. If prices are too high they can still go after a Rioux or Mallette. I can't see guys like that costing more than a late 2nd or early 3rd or decent prospect.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 26, 2008 13:42:14 GMT -4
24 days away! I think barring a complete collapse the next 3 weeks, like going 1-8-1 or something, right now the Cats project to 116 points. I think they will be buyers. I think getting around 100 is a reasonable expectation given that they probably won't go another 2 months undefeated and they will lose a lot of players during the hollidays(Bissonnette LBD Famin Gormley and possible replacements in O'brien and Downe will also be unavailable). The logical additions would be... A-a top 4 d-man that can help run the PP. This would take some of the heat off Gormley. This could be a 20 year old d-man...Gervais, Paris, Lessard, Mallette, Legault. and/or B-another 80-90 point forward. Right now the Cats have a pile of 20 goal scorers and 50 point guys but only Eagles is a sure fire top 20 scorer. A guy like Macenauer, Desjardins, Petit, Joly or Byron would help that. The available assets... -Futures on current players, not a great option as they want to contend next year also -Gormley, LBD, Bissonnette are pretty much off limits, same for Brown and MacAusland -O'brien(A), D'aoust(A), Downe(A), Noseworthy(B), Roski(B) are the primary prospect assets -The top 4 picks in the first 2 rounds this year are good assets. They'd prefer to trade their 1st and keep BC's unless it's for a big time player as this pick should be top 5. The Cats 1st and 2nd plus Victo's 2nd are pretty good assets. Given your plethora of picks, it is likely there will be picks involved...other than O'Brien, I'm not sure what your prospects would be worth to other teams for trade...and I wouldn't be closed to trading players like MacAusland depending on what you are getting (for example, if it was part of a package to get Byron and Chabot, it wouldn't be so bad)... Downe and Daoust are also guys teams would want to add. Downe projects as a good #3-4 stay at home guy, he looked very solid the 2 games Barberio was at NHL camp. Daoust is big and skates well, he's put up good numbers in MAAA(19pts in 17 games) and has a mean strak. His upside ranges from 2nd line power winger(25 goals) to 3rd line banger who can chip in a few goals(10-15) and drop the gloves. Cadet is a bit raw but he has size and some upside, I think he'll be #7 or 8 next year. Bell is another project, he looks to have progressed somewhat. A guy like Tremblay could interest a team with an opening up front this year.
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Post by bjindaho on Nov 26, 2008 13:42:35 GMT -4
I don't see Chicoutimi wanting to part with Rioux...I think he'd cost more than he's worth...
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 26, 2008 13:47:00 GMT -4
I don't see Chicoutimi wanting to part with Rioux...I think he'd cost more than he's worth... They have Bolduc coming back who is better. I'm sure they will move one of the 2. It might depend on Bolduc's price.
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