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Post by catnut on Dec 4, 2008 11:23:03 GMT -4
I think the Cats can improve this year while making next year's team even better with small trades that would not affect the core of the current team.
They have plenty of draft picks and extra prospects that are not yet on the team who could be used in trades to acquire help for this year and next.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 4, 2008 11:23:12 GMT -4
Samson was on the 3rd line in 05-06, he only developped into a front line offensive guy the following year. Chabot was the 2nd line center after the Bourdon trade and he was 17. Marchand was a good player but also 17. If you don't remember them losing any battles on the boards, maybe you need a better memory or to take the rose coloured glasses off. On that point this team is great in 1 on 1 battles. I don't think you can say this team is no good because they don't have the star offensive power that team had. They are different teams. Just because of that I don't think that is a reason to sell or not make the additions that could get us to the league title. Lewiston's team 2 years ago and Gatineau last year were not consensus chmpionship teams but they used grit and goaltending to win the title. Samson was always dynasty but used on the PK so he did his role. Nearly caused him not to go Professional but the next year under Torchetti he was allowed to open up and put up points. I don't think anyone in Moncton thought he wasn't the player he became the next year, in 2005-2006. I remember a hell of a lot of cheering at the end of the year celebrations when ever his name was mentioned and he was most people's favorite 2005-2006 Wildcats for a reason. You have to stop focusing on the record and start focusing on what we have to do to be the favorite to beat the second best team in the league. That is right now Shawinigan who is significantly than the team that we saw here. They will be adding at well at Christmas. Then because Roberts objective is to win the Mem Cup you need to look at what we need to do to be the favorite to win the Mem Cup just as Nolan talked about. The simple fact is that we would need three very high end offensive threats. How much would they cost? Voinov wouldn't hurt either. In two years Daost, Downe, Trembley, Bissionette, probably Cisse, LDB and the 2010 first rounders will be 17-18 years old and high end producing. We need some more Dimitruk, Brown, and McAusland year to compete next year and the year after that. Its a major hole in the team over the next couple of years. How much is Barbario worth? Do you trade Rio he might(?) be here next year when we really need him. Maybe Sill could provide considerable leadership to a contender? V'Dor traded Bourdon and have had years of benefit ever since. It doesn't matter to me what they decide but I'm hedging for stay the course trade Barbarieo for two high end 18 year olds. Ok, you'll have to explain what the heck it means when a player is "dynasty". I don;t think anybody else on here knows what you mean. Samson was a very good player in 05-06 and most people thought he could put up better numbers(and he still surprised a lot of people with his big year at 19). This year's team is not loaded with stars, but there are a lot of guys who can chip in their 15-25 goals like Cameron Lessard Brannon Stephens Famin Brown Barberio plus Eagles who will get 30-40. I'd like to see them add another frontline offensive player(top 20 scorer). I don't see them outscoring Shawinigan but I think if you have Sill's line playing head to head with Mcnichol-Pistilli-Peterson they can be beaten. I think trading away your 2 best players(or 2 of your 3 best) in a year where you have 2 regulation losses after 28 games in completely nuts. If you look at the Q recently, teams that have loaded up or are loaded with star offensive players have not done well at playoff time(CB VD Halifax RN the last 2 years). Instead of making ridiculous trades to try and beat Shawinigan, you make reasonable trades to make this WC team as good as it can be without selling the farm. Shawinigan seems to find a way to bow out early after great regular seasons.
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Post by buckybuckbuck on Dec 4, 2008 11:51:27 GMT -4
Samson was always dynasty but used on the PK so he did his role. Nearly caused him not to go Professional but the next year under Torchetti he was allowed to open up and put up points. I don't think anyone in Moncton thought he wasn't the player he became the next year, in 2005-2006. I remember a hell of a lot of cheering at the end of the year celebrations when ever his name was mentioned and he was most people's favorite 2005-2006 Wildcats for a reason. You have to stop focusing on the record and start focusing on what we have to do to be the favorite to beat the second best team in the league. That is right now Shawinigan who is significantly than the team that we saw here. They will be adding at well at Christmas. Then because Roberts objective is to win the Mem Cup you need to look at what we need to do to be the favorite to win the Mem Cup just as Nolan talked about. The simple fact is that we would need three very high end offensive threats. How much would they cost? Voinov wouldn't hurt either. In two years Daost, Downe, Trembley, Bissionette, probably Cisse, LDB and the 2010 first rounders will be 17-18 years old and high end producing. We need some more Dimitruk, Brown, and McAusland year to compete next year and the year after that. Its a major hole in the team over the next couple of years. How much is Barbario worth? Do you trade Rio he might(?) be here next year when we really need him. Maybe Sill could provide considerable leadership to a contender? V'Dor traded Bourdon and have had years of benefit ever since. It doesn't matter to me what they decide but I'm hedging for stay the course trade Barbarieo for two high end 18 year olds. Ok, you'll have to explain what the heck it means when a player is "dynasty". I don;t think anybody else on here knows what you mean. Samson was a very good player in 05-06 and most people thought he could put up better numbers(and he still surprised a lot of people with his big year at 19). This year's team is not loaded with stars, but there are a lot of guys who can chip in their 15-25 goals like Cameron Lessard Brannon Stephens Famin Brown Barberio plus Eagles who will get 30-40. I'd like to see them add another frontline offensive player(top 20 scorer). I don't see them outscoring Shawinigan but I think if you have Sill's line playing head to head with Mcnichol-Pistilli-Peterson they can be beaten. I think trading away your 2 best players(or 2 of your 3 best) in a year where you have 2 regulation losses after 28 games in completely nuts. If you look at the Q recently, teams that have loaded up or are loaded with star offensive players have not done well at playoff time(CB VD Halifax RN the last 2 years). Instead of making ridiculous trades to try and beat Shawinigan, you make reasonable trades to make this WC team as good as it can be without selling the farm. Shawinigan seems to find a way to bow out early after great regular seasons. Billy, First I mentioned possible valueable trades instead of trading way BC's first round which is probably another Gormley. I wouldn't trade all three and now definitely not Barbs and only Rio if we got a Kings ransom (see Marquardt trade) and I was 100% sure he wasn't going to be in the Q next year. But I would open it up to Eagles. Second You trade for your week spots. Right now its Offense and definitely not defense. Third I trust Flynn to do what he's doing. If he sells at Christmas great and he buys great. After last year we have rebounded and the future looks great.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 4, 2008 11:59:47 GMT -4
Ok, you'll have to explain what the heck it means when a player is "dynasty". I don;t think anybody else on here knows what you mean. Samson was a very good player in 05-06 and most people thought he could put up better numbers(and he still surprised a lot of people with his big year at 19). This year's team is not loaded with stars, but there are a lot of guys who can chip in their 15-25 goals like Cameron Lessard Brannon Stephens Famin Brown Barberio plus Eagles who will get 30-40. I'd like to see them add another frontline offensive player(top 20 scorer). I don't see them outscoring Shawinigan but I think if you have Sill's line playing head to head with Mcnichol-Pistilli-Peterson they can be beaten. I think trading away your 2 best players(or 2 of your 3 best) in a year where you have 2 regulation losses after 28 games in completely nuts. If you look at the Q recently, teams that have loaded up or are loaded with star offensive players have not done well at playoff time(CB VD Halifax RN the last 2 years). Instead of making ridiculous trades to try and beat Shawinigan, you make reasonable trades to make this WC team as good as it can be without selling the farm. Shawinigan seems to find a way to bow out early after great regular seasons. Billy, First I mentioned possible valueable trades instead of trading way BC's first round which is probably another Gormley. I wouldn't trade all three and now definitely not Barbs and only Rio if we got a Kings ransom (see Marquardt trade) and I was 100% sure he wasn't going to be in the Q next year. But I would open it up to Eagles. Second You trade for your week spots. Right now its Offense and definitely not defense. Third I trust Flynn to do what he's doing. If he sells at Christmas great and he buys great. After last year we have rebounded and the future looks great. I still see no logic for a team in Moncton's position "selling" this year. Yeah prices are high and we could get a lot for some our players, but the whole point of having a Q team is not to stockpile young players, it's to win games and try and win a Q title. The cupboards are full of picks and young players, if anything they should move a few assets to complement what's already there. I don't think anybody in their right mind can say that Moncton is not a top contender right now. I'd be willing to bet big money that Flynn is not even thinking of selling.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 4, 2008 12:18:28 GMT -4
Billy, First I mentioned possible valueable trades instead of trading way BC's first round which is probably another Gormley. I wouldn't trade all three and now definitely not Barbs and only Rio if we got a Kings ransom (see Marquardt trade) and I was 100% sure he wasn't going to be in the Q next year. But I would open it up to Eagles. Second You trade for your week spots. Right now its Offense and definitely not defense. Third I trust Flynn to do what he's doing. If he sells at Christmas great and he buys great. After last year we have rebounded and the future looks great. the whole point of having a Q team is not to stockpile young players, it's to win games and try and win a Q title. It's about time someone said this. You can stockpile picks forever, but whats the point if it never results in anything resembling a contending hockey team? If you have a shot at a title you take it.
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bikerboy
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Post by bikerboy on Dec 4, 2008 15:23:23 GMT -4
how about maybe moving cameron and some draft picks and goi ng to go get some one like Byron who can put the puck in the net
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Post by buckybuckbuck on Dec 4, 2008 15:52:57 GMT -4
how about maybe moving cameron and some draft picks and goi ng to go get some one like Byron who can put the puck in the net Problem is that Cameron is the best offensive guy as of late. I haven't always felt that but in the seven or eight games on the net and at the Colisiem he's been flying. He's also a big part of next years team.
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tal
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Post by tal on Dec 4, 2008 16:03:01 GMT -4
He's also the only center on the team with a better-than-50% faceoff average
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 4, 2008 16:10:33 GMT -4
how about maybe moving cameron and some draft picks and goi ng to go get some one like Byron who can put the puck in the net If Gatineau trades Byron, they'll want Bissonnette(16) not another 19 year old in return...plus the gain in offense would almost be offset, you trade a 65-70 point guy and add a 90 point guy...marginal upgrade.
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Post by jimmy on Dec 4, 2008 18:39:59 GMT -4
If the draft this year is as poor in high end talent as most are suggesting, maybe we should consider putting B-Cs 1st in play if someone is really horny for it ... we still have our first and a couple of seconds ... and it sounds like this might be a draft where guys drafted in the second round turn out to be just as good as the guys who go in the first ... it is not as though we are throwing away a chance at a Crosby type with the potential 1st overall pick.
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ronmac
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Post by ronmac on Dec 4, 2008 19:05:35 GMT -4
If we really think that next year is our year then our 3 - 20 year olds are all expendable for the right price, and if we look at our 6 -19 year olds and say they decide to keep lets say Rio - Brannon - Cameron that also leaves Boyle - Lessard - Lane are also trade able and with a draft pick thrown in we could look at some 18 year old players that could help us next year as 19 year olds
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Post by Penguins23® on Dec 4, 2008 19:48:32 GMT -4
the whole point of having a Q team is not to stockpile young players, it's to win games and try and win a Q title. It's about time someone said this. You can stockpile picks forever, but whats the point if it never results in anything resembling a contending hockey team? If you have a shot at a title you take it. Exactly. It's like that in every sports league...unless you're the Pittsburgh Pirates of course, in which case you trade a player as soon as they are decent or good.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 4, 2008 20:00:14 GMT -4
If the draft this year is as poor in high end talent as most are suggesting, maybe we should consider putting B-Cs 1st in play if someone is really horny for it ... we still have our first and a couple of seconds ... and it sounds like this might be a draft where guys drafted in the second round turn out to be just as good as the guys who go in the first ... it is not as though we are throwing away a chance at a Crosby type with the potential 1st overall pick. If the Cats get a shot at Andrews of Cornwall or Huberleau with a lottery pick, it would have to be more than a rental to move taht pick.
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Post by mikeb on Dec 5, 2008 8:20:42 GMT -4
Too many teams have waited for their time and wasted an opportunity to win it all. Next year might be a complete flop. Things happen. The Titan blew a chance by waiting for "next year" when they were supposed to be even better and they ended up losing in the 2nd round in their "go for it year".
You go for it when the pieces fall in place. The Wildcats could trade every pick they have in the next draft and still not skip a beat with the young team they have.
Buckybuck.... is playing like a loser. When you have a chance to win, you take it. No regrets. Just take the chance to win it all.
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Post by Optimus Reim on Dec 5, 2008 9:15:05 GMT -4
At this point I am in agreement. We are playing solid hockey. Our scoring is making me a little nervous but our defensive game coupled with Rio's play has to be considered the best in the league at this point. If we could upgrade up front with a Goulet type player and a solied 2-4 D man who can help out on the PP and be physical I think we have a good chance. There is no replacement for the buzz a championship contending team does for a city. I have no regrets on the Mem Cup run and would do it again. If this year is the year so be it!
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