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Post by hullbob on Dec 7, 2008 22:18:05 GMT -4
why wouldn't his cost be high, he is currently 15 in the league in scoring and climbing, plus he will return as a 20 year old. Thats right.. You have one player in the top 25 or so and your next player is about 50th in points..You need more than a couple of player to be a contender,IMO.. i guess i'm the one who can't read, but seeing they're at the top they should contend.
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Post by catnut on Dec 7, 2008 22:27:00 GMT -4
Because it's his first big year and he is not the player that teams would fight over at this time. what don't you get about him being a 2 year player, who has a ring. I didn't say get him for nothing or real cheap. I said "too extravagant" (i.e. Bourdon or Marchand price).
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Post by hullbob on Dec 7, 2008 22:29:27 GMT -4
what don't you get about him being a 2 year player, who has a ring. I didn't say get him for nothing or real cheap. I said "too extravagant" (i.e. Bourdon or Marchand price). well it's hard to say he wouldn't be worth as much as bourdon, he will return and may be one of the top players in the league next year so you get 2 years out of him, only 1 from bourdon.
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Post by sec21critic on Dec 7, 2008 22:30:39 GMT -4
Thats right.. You have one player in the top 25 or so and your next player is about 50th in points..You need more than a couple of player to be a contender,IMO.. can you read, where did i say contender, i said we don't trade down unless we get a lot for our players, which may happen and may not, no need to trade for average players we get those for free out of ontario, actually some are stars. as for the top 25 i guess you really can't read seeing byron is 9th and will likely move into the top 5, and seeing that many players will return next year we're not desparate to trade down, like teams like halifax and b.c. who traded a lot away last year. No... he's referring to Moncton in his post I think... LJ Dickens (who may or may not have once posted on the old Titan board as goalie or nigadooman or both) is a Bathurst poster who has given his opinion on why he feels Moncton has fluked it's way into the success it's had pretty much all season.
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Post by catnut on Dec 7, 2008 22:35:40 GMT -4
I didn't say get him for nothing or real cheap. I said "too extravagant" (i.e. Bourdon or Marchand price). well it's hard to say he wouldn't be worth as much as bourdon, he will return and may be one of the top players in the league next year so you get 2 years out of him, only 1 from bourdon. I was talking about the price we paid for Luc Bourdon, I should have specified.
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Post by hullbob on Dec 7, 2008 22:35:41 GMT -4
can you read, where did i say contender, i said we don't trade down unless we get a lot for our players, which may happen and may not, no need to trade for average players we get those for free out of ontario, actually some are stars. as for the top 25 i guess you really can't read seeing byron is 9th and will likely move into the top 5, and seeing that many players will return next year we're not desparate to trade down, like teams like halifax and b.c. who traded a lot away last year. No... he's referring to Moncton in his post I think... LJ Dickens (who may or may not have once posted on the old Titan board as goalie or nigadooman or both) is a Bathurst poster who has given his opinion on why he feels Moncton has fluked it's way into the success it's had pretty much all season. oh, well that's even more foolish seeing you guys are right at the top of the league, of course you're contenders it will be a matter of making the right deals at the deadline to help solidify your lineup, without giving up too much.
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Post by Sébastien on Dec 7, 2008 22:38:02 GMT -4
I didn't say get him for nothing or real cheap. I said "too extravagant" (i.e. Bourdon or Marchand price). well it's hard to say he wouldn't be worth as much as bourdon, he will return and may be one of the top players in the league next year so you get 2 years out of him, only 1 from bourdon. I have a gut feeling he's talking about Luc Bourdon. That being said, I can't think for the life of me that Quesnel would be worth as much as Marc-André Bourdon. Never mind the years they have to play, it's very simple. Bourdon is one of the, best defenseman in the league right now. Put him on any team, and not only does it make them better, it can change the whole dynamic. He'll be the type of guy to play #1 powerplay, pk and play over 30 minutes a night in late rounds. Whereas Quesnel, as good as he might be, does not bring the same impact to a team. That's why Bourdon, if traded, would bring in a lot more then Quesnel.
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Post by hullbob on Dec 7, 2008 22:56:41 GMT -4
well it's hard to say he wouldn't be worth as much as bourdon, he will return and may be one of the top players in the league next year so you get 2 years out of him, only 1 from bourdon. I have a gut feeling he's talking about Luc Bourdon. That being said, I can't think for the life of me that Quesnel would be worth as much as Marc-André Bourdon. Never mind the years they have to play, it's very simple. Bourdon is one of the, best defenseman in the league right now. Put him on any team, and not only does it make them better, it can change the whole dynamic. He'll be the type of guy to play #1 powerplay, pk and play over 30 minutes a night in late rounds. Whereas Quesnel, as good as he might be, does not bring the same impact to a team. That's why Bourdon, if traded, would bring in a lot more then Quesnel. i'm not trying to say quesnel is worth a fortune, but he's probably worth more to hull then what we might get in a trade for him. he scored some big goals in the playoffs last year and has become an even better player this year, it's also looking like byron might be back as an overager so if he is him and quesnel together would be really good for us next year.
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Post by bois on Dec 8, 2008 11:15:43 GMT -4
what makes you think it's looking like Byron would be back as an overager next year? It might have looked that way earlier in the season but the kid is absolutely on fire right now
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 8, 2008 11:31:55 GMT -4
what makes you think it's looking like Byron would be back as an overager next year? It might have looked that way earlier in the season but the kid is absolutely on fire right now Plus he is a 3rd or 4th rounder...usually NHL teams sign those players unless they are a complete bust.
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Post by bois on Dec 8, 2008 11:35:14 GMT -4
and it's not like Buffalo isn't a perfect fit for a small skilled forward
there is about 0.01% chance of Byron playing the Q at 20 I'd say
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Post by hullbob on Dec 8, 2008 16:50:10 GMT -4
what makes you think it's looking like Byron would be back as an overager next year? It might have looked that way earlier in the season but the kid is absolutely on fire right now because of the slow start and his size, mostly his weight, he's great for jr but i'm not sure if he would be strong enough for the pro game next year, but like you said he is starting to go which should help his chances of signing.
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Post by hullbob on Dec 8, 2008 16:51:13 GMT -4
what makes you think it's looking like Byron would be back as an overager next year? It might have looked that way earlier in the season but the kid is absolutely on fire right now Plus he is a 3rd or 4th rounder...usually NHL teams sign those players unless they are a complete bust. pretty sure he was a 6th rounder, so wouldn't be as important for buffalo to sign him
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Post by hullbob on Dec 8, 2008 16:56:07 GMT -4
and it's not like Buffalo isn't a perfect fit for a small skilled forward there is about 0.01% chance of Byron playing the Q at 20 I'd say he hasn't been as good this year as last year, which i'm sure are going to have some people thinking that giroux had a lot to do with his success, in fairness to him since dupont came on board and put him back at right wing and put chabot at center with quesnel on the wing he has been a lot better, that line has been as good as any lately, but again his strenght will be an issue for the pro game.
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Post by jazz on Dec 9, 2008 13:15:53 GMT -4
Ive been watching this discussion with some interest given that I don't have as much experience as some of you guys. I'm a little surprised that a trade up on Lahey appears to be the suggestion. I thought he was playing well and getting better and wonder how much better someone imported would do playing with 2 rookies like Petterson and Bissonette. If we wanted to upgrade significantly wouldn't we have to replace them? realize this is not easy given the replacements would have to be 19 and under (expensive ) but how much incremental improvement will we get from replacing Lahey who is still improving? I know Bissonette is coming along well for a rookie and needs the experience but if you need strength for this year...
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