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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Dec 18, 2008 9:20:44 GMT -4
i think it is a possibility to see gormley playing in the nhl @ 18 lots of d men there now in the nhl long shot but still a shot at being there. And Riopel could be gone to the AHL next year. That's why this year might be the year to make a serious effort at winning. Next year's Wildcats could turn out to be the 2007-2008 Senators or the 2008-2009 Canadiens. Teams with lots of promise that people said would be in the finals the following year but failed to find the same chemistry the following year. If you want Q league examples look no further than last year and Halifax. From a team with great hopes to a dsyfunctional family at the end. Edit: I didn't say sell the farm but with all the young assets and picks that the Wildcats have, they have lots to work with and still be one of the better teams next year. I think Lewy last year and Saint John this year are better examples... teams that enjoyed their success while expecting the following year to be the big one. It turned out reverse for Lewy as they ended up winning, but I dont think come playoff team Moncton have the same calibre team right now...
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Post by mikeb on Dec 18, 2008 9:25:48 GMT -4
And Riopel could be gone to the AHL next year. That's why this year might be the year to make a serious effort at winning. Next year's Wildcats could turn out to be the 2007-2008 Senators or the 2008-2009 Canadiens. Teams with lots of promise that people said would be in the finals the following year but failed to find the same chemistry the following year. If you want Q league examples look no further than last year and Halifax. From a team with great hopes to a dsyfunctional family at the end. Edit: I didn't say sell the farm but with all the young assets and picks that the Wildcats have, they have lots to work with and still be one of the better teams next year. I think Lewy last year and Saint John this year are better examples... teams that enjoyed their success while expecting the following year to be the big one. It turned out reverse for Lewy as they ended up winning, but I dont think come playoff team Moncton have the same calibre team right now... You mean like Gatineau didn't have the same calibre last year. When the team is playing as a team and everything is going their way.... Sometimes it's not about talent. It's about destiny, fate, whatever and you have to take advantage of those opportunities. Otherwise it's a blown opportunitiy and you only get so many kicks at the can. Moncton has that opportunity. Why waste it. Winners don't hesitate when victory presents itself. They take it.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Dec 18, 2008 9:33:03 GMT -4
I think Lewy last year and Saint John this year are better examples... teams that enjoyed their success while expecting the following year to be the big one. It turned out reverse for Lewy as they ended up winning, but I dont think come playoff team Moncton have the same calibre team right now... You mean like Gatineau didn't have the same calibre last year. When the team is playing as a team and everything is going their way.... Sometimes it's not about talent. It's about destiny, fate, whatever and you have to take advantage of those opportunities. Otherwise it's a blown opportunitiy and you only get so many kicks at the can. Moncton has that opportunity. Why waste it. Winners don't hesitate when victory presents itself. They take it. Thats what Im agreeing with... that sometimes teams will look past a successful year (i.e. not make any significant trades) because they expect the next one to be even better, but things happen (like Riopel going pro, Eagles gone etc) and suddenly you look back at the previous year and wish you had filled some holes and made a run when everything seemed to be working. The flipside of course is that if everything is working, why change it? Its a tough decision. If you make trades, dont win as frequently and bow out in round 2 or 3 people will say they shouldnt have changed it. But if you stick with what you have, and a guy like Gormley struggles after a long season and the offense ends up being an issue and you lose, people will say they should have added some elite help.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 18, 2008 10:10:09 GMT -4
You mean like Gatineau didn't have the same calibre last year. When the team is playing as a team and everything is going their way.... Sometimes it's not about talent. It's about destiny, fate, whatever and you have to take advantage of those opportunities. Otherwise it's a blown opportunitiy and you only get so many kicks at the can. Moncton has that opportunity. Why waste it. Winners don't hesitate when victory presents itself. They take it. Thats what Im agreeing with... that sometimes teams will look past a successful year (i.e. not make any significant trades) because they expect the next one to be even better, but things happen (like Riopel going pro, Eagles gone etc) and suddenly you look back at the previous year and wish you had filled some holes and made a run when everything seemed to be working. The flipside of course is that if everything is working, why change it? Its a tough decision. If you make trades, dont win as frequently and bow out in round 2 or 3 people will say they shouldnt have changed it. But if you stick with what you have, and a guy like Gormley struggles after a long season and the offense ends up being an issue and you lose, people will say they should have added some elite help. You still can't just go out and make one sided deals just because you had a good start. You need to be sure you're getting a player(s) that fit on your team and the price makes sense. Even if you make all the right deals(99-00 Cats) things can always fall apart and you have big holes the following year. I have no problem tading guys like Downe O'brien D'aoust Tremblay and picks if it means ading a potential impact player.
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Post by redwigger on Dec 18, 2008 18:54:00 GMT -4
bottom line is next year we will have way too many 20 year old and you might as well deal one or two of them now, to see what we can get for a goal scorer
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Post by lalalaprise on Dec 18, 2008 19:16:30 GMT -4
Dont be shocked if MacAusland is moved...teams looking to deal with Moncton arent going to be asking for Cadet, Downe, O'Brien, D'Aoust, Tremblay, etc....they want players who can play now.
Doesnt mean Moncton has to pay that price but thats the price.
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Post by Arnold Slick on Dec 18, 2008 19:17:45 GMT -4
Isn't Petit more of a set up man than a goal scorer which doesn't do us much good considering our offensive abilities, we need a sniper more than a set-up man, he would definitely help but he doesn't seem what we're looking for. Guys like Brown Brannon Famin are very good finishers...but they don't play 1st line. Eagles is the finisher with Cameron and Lessard. Brown is a very good finisher....against Halifax Famin is a very good finisher....whenever he's going through one of his sporadic goal scoring bursts. I don't think anyone considered Brannon to be a very good finisher before but it's hard to argue with his 18 goals so far this season.
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Post by jimmy on Dec 18, 2008 19:19:48 GMT -4
bottom line is next year we will have way too many 20 year old and you might as well deal one or two of them now, to see what we can get for a goal scorer Right now it looks as though we have 5 guys who belong in the Q as 20 year olds ... Riopel, Cameron, Lessard, Brannon, and Boyle. With the season Riopel is having, there is always a chance he could be in the pros next year ... Cameron is drafted, and could end up being signed and in the pros also - he is having a decent year - my bet is he goes unsigned, but you never know. Dealing any of these guys is going to make our team much weaker now, because any team wanting to trade for 19 year olds are not going to be willing to give up a goal scorer in exchange, they are obviously going to be teams looking to make a run this year who are offering up kids/picks, both of which we have no shortage of. I would prefer we wait and try and move one of the forwards at the draft (I figure any of Cameron/Lessard/Brannon would be worth a late 1st early 2nd round pick at the draft assuming they continue their current pace all season), plan on going with Rio and two of the forwards next year as 20s ... if one of them ends up in the pros, bring Boyle in to start the year and upgrade later if necessary.
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Post by jimmy on Dec 18, 2008 19:21:35 GMT -4
Dont be shocked if MacAusland is moved...teams looking to deal with Moncton arent going to be asking for Cadet, Downe, O'Brien, D'Aoust, Tremblay, etc....they want players who can play now. Doesnt mean Moncton has to pay that price but thats the price. I would be shocked to find out MacAusland doesn't have a no-trade clause ... they had to make a lot of promises, not just monetary, to get him to commit to the Cats.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 18, 2008 19:31:35 GMT -4
Dont be shocked if MacAusland is moved...teams looking to deal with Moncton arent going to be asking for Cadet, Downe, O'Brien, D'Aoust, Tremblay, etc....they want players who can play now. Doesnt mean Moncton has to pay that price but thats the price. Downe O'brien and Tremblay can play on a lot of Q teams right now.
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Post by lalalaprise on Dec 18, 2008 19:35:10 GMT -4
Dont be shocked if MacAusland is moved...teams looking to deal with Moncton arent going to be asking for Cadet, Downe, O'Brien, D'Aoust, Tremblay, etc....they want players who can play now. Doesnt mean Moncton has to pay that price but thats the price. Downe O'brien and Tremblay can play on a lot of Q teams right now. Perhaps....but perhaps they cant. Teams arent going to ship off marquee talent for a kid picked in rd 5 on the most recent draft who is doing well in Midget AAA. When you traded Luc Bourdon what did you get? 2 QMJHL players... Teams want QMJHL players, not hopes and dreams. Im sure you could pick up Maxime Mallette for a kid like O'Brien...but im sure youd be against that too
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 18, 2008 20:59:26 GMT -4
Downe O'brien and Tremblay can play on a lot of Q teams right now. Perhaps....but perhaps they cant. Teams arent going to ship off marquee talent for a kid picked in rd 5 on the most recent draft who is doing well in Midget AAA. When you traded Luc Bourdon what did you get? 2 QMJHL players... Teams want QMJHL players, not hopes and dreams. Im sure you could pick up Maxime Mallette for a kid like O'Brien...but im sure youd be against that too The Cats won't be picking up any Luc Bourdons...or M-A Bourdons either. They only way they pay a big price is for a guy that's sure to play 2 years and make an impact. O'Brien and a 2nd rounder(or similar package) should get you a Bolduc, Gervais or Lessard.
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Post by wildcats on Dec 18, 2008 21:10:52 GMT -4
we need big hitter and pure scorer me i said trade lahey bidduke stephen lane or release him bell try to get scorer defensemen and scorer for playoff this year that is what i think
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Post by pong on Dec 18, 2008 21:49:09 GMT -4
O'Brien and a 2nd rounder(or similar package) should get you a Bolduc, Gervais or Lessard. You've mentioned trading this kid several times but I'd like to keep him and see what he can do. We finally have a sniper in the system-why trade him away? If Voinov shows up,our forwards get much better with the extra chances he'll create for them.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 18, 2008 21:52:40 GMT -4
we need big hitter and pure scorer me i said trade lahey bidduke stephen lane or release him bell try to get scorer defensemen and scorer for playoff this year that is what i think Wow, you should be GM, trade all our worst players for impact guys! I don't think we lack in bangers...If we make a deal up front it will be for a frontline player.
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