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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 18, 2008 21:54:58 GMT -4
O'Brien and a 2nd rounder(or similar package) should get you a Bolduc, Gervais or Lessard. You've mentioned trading this kid several times but I'd like to keep him and see what he can do. We finally have a sniper in the system-why trade him away? If Voinov shows up,our forwards get much better with the extra chances he'll create for them. The Voynov thing is a 1% chance in my opinion. O'brien is no more a sniper than Brown, Brannon, Eagles, Famin and Bissonnette. I think he can be a very good Q player, but you won't get a good oplayer for nothing. I think we have plenty of snipers, I think we need another top d-man or 80-90 point playmaking center.
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Post by mikeb on Dec 19, 2008 8:28:41 GMT -4
You mean like Gatineau didn't have the same calibre last year. When the team is playing as a team and everything is going their way.... Sometimes it's not about talent. It's about destiny, fate, whatever and you have to take advantage of those opportunities. Otherwise it's a blown opportunitiy and you only get so many kicks at the can. Moncton has that opportunity. Why waste it. Winners don't hesitate when victory presents itself. They take it. Thats what Im agreeing with... that sometimes teams will look past a successful year (i.e. not make any significant trades) because they expect the next one to be even better, but things happen (like Riopel going pro, Eagles gone etc) and suddenly you look back at the previous year and wish you had filled some holes and made a run when everything seemed to be working. The flipside of course is that if everything is working, why change it? Its a tough decision. If you make trades, dont win as frequently and bow out in round 2 or 3 people will say they shouldnt have changed it. But if you stick with what you have, and a guy like Gormley struggles after a long season and the offense ends up being an issue and you lose, people will say they should have added some elite help. It's pretty obvious that my feeling is if you have a good chance, then do something to make yourself better and don't spend time worrying about if it will change the chemistry. Chemistry could change if you do nothing as well if the team goes through a drought.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 19, 2008 9:50:59 GMT -4
According to Flynn in today's AN it appears that the Cats don't like the asking price for a lot of players, so don't expect any big early deals. From what they are saying they think they have a shot at voynov, but I can't see it...but I hope I'm wrong.
From what Flynn is saying teams want young players now, I assume they are asking about Bissonnette and LBD.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 19, 2008 11:48:13 GMT -4
One team that nobody has talked about is Lewiston, guys like Ward or Cusak and Gratchev could really help the Cats. Ward is drafted and will probably go pro next year, Cusak may cost a bit more but add a 20 next year. Gtatchev could be another 35 goal guy at a reasonable price.
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Post by Dalkiel on Dec 19, 2008 12:31:55 GMT -4
You've mentioned trading this kid several times but I'd like to keep him and see what he can do. We finally have a sniper in the system-why trade him away? If Voinov shows up,our forwards get much better with the extra chances he'll create for them. The Voynov thing is a 1% chance in my opinion. O'brien is no more a sniper than Brown, Brannon, Eagles, Famin and Bissonnette. I think he can be a very good Q player, but you won't get a good oplayer for nothing. I think we have plenty of snipers, I think we need another top d-man or 80-90 point playmaking center. I'd want an 80-90+ point forward before a Dman. I really think our offense needs to be helped before our defense, there has been too many OTs and 1 goal games IMO.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 19, 2008 12:42:12 GMT -4
The Voynov thing is a 1% chance in my opinion. O'brien is no more a sniper than Brown, Brannon, Eagles, Famin and Bissonnette. I think he can be a very good Q player, but you won't get a good oplayer for nothing. I think we have plenty of snipers, I think we need another top d-man or 80-90 point playmaking center. I'd want an 80-90+ point forward before a Dman. I really think our offense needs to be helped before our defense, there has been too many OTs and 1 goal games IMO. A skilled d-man would help the offense, plus in the playoffs there is no 4 on 4 OT or shootouts.
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Post by Mike Gundy on Dec 19, 2008 12:49:09 GMT -4
One team that nobody has talked about is Lewiston, guys like Ward or Cusak and Gratchev could really help the Cats. Ward is drafted and will probably go pro next year, Cusak may cost a bit more but add a 20 next year. Gtatchev could be another 35 goal guy at a reasonable price. I agree entirely! Gratchev is the guy i've been talking about all along! i'd like to see us trade for him and also acquire Lewiston's first round pick in the trade as it will probably be top 5. i'd trade our 1st (NOT BC's!) and either a cameron or lessard to get Gratchev and Lewiston's 1st. Just remember, you probably won't see BOTH Cameron and Lessard back next season if Riopel's still in the Q. Riopel and Brannon will be our best 20 yo's next season.
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Post by Dalkiel on Dec 19, 2008 12:49:26 GMT -4
I'd want an 80-90+ point forward before a Dman. I really think our offense needs to be helped before our defense, there has been too many OTs and 1 goal games IMO. A skilled d-man would help the offense, plus in the playoffs there is no 4 on 4 OT or shootouts. Yes you are correct and I was waiting for you to come back with that ;D but I'd rather have an 80-90 point guy than a 50-60 Dman. The lack of shootouts and 4 on 4 OT is not the issue, I'd prefer NOT to go into OT at all, especially against the weaker teams like we have been. It makes for a much longer drainning playoffs.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 19, 2008 13:10:52 GMT -4
One team that nobody has talked about is Lewiston, guys like Ward or Cusak and Gratchev could really help the Cats. Ward is drafted and will probably go pro next year, Cusak may cost a bit more but add a 20 next year. Gtatchev could be another 35 goal guy at a reasonable price. I agree entirely! Gratchev is the guy i've been talking about all along! i'd like to see us trade for him and also acquire Lewiston's first round pick in the trade as it will probably be top 5. i'd trade our 1st (NOT BC's!) and either a cameron or lessard to get Gratchev and Lewiston's 1st. Just remember, you probably won't see BOTH Cameron and Lessard back next season if Riopel's still in the Q. Riopel and Brannon will be our best 20 yo's next season. I don't really see the point of adding Gratchev at the expense of Cameron or Lessard. They are a year younger and their stats are almost on par with him.
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Post by Mike Gundy on Dec 19, 2008 13:12:34 GMT -4
I agree entirely! Gratchev is the guy i've been talking about all along! i'd like to see us trade for him and also acquire Lewiston's first round pick in the trade as it will probably be top 5. i'd trade our 1st (NOT BC's!) and either a cameron or lessard to get Gratchev and Lewiston's 1st. Just remember, you probably won't see BOTH Cameron and Lessard back next season if Riopel's still in the Q. Riopel and Brannon will be our best 20 yo's next season. I don't really see the point of adding Gratchev at the expense of Cameron or Lessard. They are a year younger and their stats are almost on par with him. the point is that they will unlikely both be back next season. and if a trade of one of them will add a top five overall pick, i say do it!
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Post by bjindaho on Dec 19, 2008 13:18:14 GMT -4
You seem to missing the cost issue...an 80-90 point forward will cost you MacAusland and BaC's 1st likely...that's a lot of points to be thinking that someone will just give the player to you without any proven talent...
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 19, 2008 13:49:02 GMT -4
You seem to missing the cost issue...an 80-90 point forward will cost you MacAusland and BaC's 1st likely...that's a lot of points to be thinking that someone will just give the player to you without any proven talent... I don't think you'll see the Cats make that type of deal.
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Post by bjindaho on Dec 19, 2008 13:50:14 GMT -4
so you move to a plan B...Tomy Joly for example would be a great 60-70 point plan B...
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 19, 2008 13:56:21 GMT -4
so you move to a plan B...Tomy Joly for example would be a great 60-70 point plan B... I think Joly will cost as much as any 20 year old forward out there(Petit Gratchev etc).
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Post by bjindaho on Dec 19, 2008 14:09:06 GMT -4
depends...on how many teams decide they want a 20...
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