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Post by Art Vandelay on Jun 4, 2009 5:55:09 GMT -4
www.capebretonpost.com/index.cfm?sid=257537&sc=146-2 or 3 players or 2 players and a pick -Offer in on Chris Doyle as well I don't think it's good that i'm more scared of what Durocher is going to do then I am excited. Are Luke Adam and Chris Doyle really the only thing missing from making us a championship team? I'm not sure how any manager in his right mind can think that I don't know either What's he thinking ?
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Post by caperguy on Jun 4, 2009 8:17:24 GMT -4
It's like he has a list of players or a situation that he wants the team in and is going after that now rather than seeing how things go first half then do something at Christmas (and not looking into the future, either).
It's like he wants to make a winner ASAP so is going after what he can to attempt to achieve that. Thing is, look at the forward corps we had last year....have to do a lot more trading to equal that, wouldn't we? of course we don't know how some younger players will improve, etc but that's always the case - can't bank on that.
Well, let's see what he does and hopefully we won't be left shaking our heads too much. might be like trade period last year when we had to wait til end of reg season/into playoffs to see how Horyl, MacDougall, etc fared compared to their predecessors. But to 'go for it' this early, will we have any assets left to trade at Christmas and/or any young players for upcoming years??
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Post by bois on Jun 4, 2009 9:26:14 GMT -4
I am shocked by all the rumoured activity from the Eagles front this trade period... I really didn't expect them to be terribly active at all
I think if you guys did somehow land Adam and Doyle and had your entire defense core and both goalies return.. you'd be a serious contender for sure
what would you have left to address needs come Christmas time? you'd be dealing draft picks and futures on Ellis and O Roy i'd say
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Post by Clubber Lang on Jun 4, 2009 10:30:53 GMT -4
www.capebretonpost.com/index.cfm?sid=257537&sc=146-2 or 3 players or 2 players and a pick -Offer in on Chris Doyle as well I don't think it's good that i'm more scared of what Durocher is going to do then I am excited. Are Luke Adam and Chris Doyle really the only thing missing from making us a championship team? I'm not sure how any manager in his right mind can think that Not sure either but you can count on Adam and Doyle to get you 90 plus goals between them. McNeil with 35-40 and Horly is a poor mans version of Fergus can pot 20 doesnt really give you that bad of a start. MacDougall is a solid center and if you can get Shaw and Lesieur developing quicker you are pretty strong. All this depends on if all the D is back! Still think Moncton and Sea Dogs are 1/2 but some additions and subtractions can make the difference. I just see Adam and Doyle being game breakers, pure scorers who can take you to the next level. Be prepared to give up Ellis for this one.
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Post by hal on Jun 4, 2009 12:05:38 GMT -4
So much for Drafting Character Players and making them Eagles for their Junior career ! A new Philosophy seems to be in vogue ! ................we'll see !
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Post by Clubber Lang on Jun 4, 2009 12:17:28 GMT -4
So much for Drafting Character Players and making them Eagles for their Junior career ! A new Philosophy seems to be in vogue ! ................we'll see ! Well drafting character players didn't get us a title so maybe a new vision will.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 4, 2009 12:22:30 GMT -4
So much for Drafting Character Players and making them Eagles for their Junior career ! A new Philosophy seems to be in vogue ! ................we'll see ! Well drafting character players didn't get us a title so maybe a new vision will. Yeah but if it doesn't this year we better be prepared to 2-3 years of Halifax type rebuilding at the bottom of the league. Look at what we return if we move Ellis, Chouinard, and a couple 1sts to get those 2 players....and more importantly look at how weak we still are up front. The time for these trades was one of the last 2 Decembers or drafts, not right now.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 4, 2009 12:26:38 GMT -4
www.capebretonpost.com/index.cfm?sid=257537&sc=146-2 or 3 players or 2 players and a pick -Offer in on Chris Doyle as well I don't think it's good that i'm more scared of what Durocher is going to do then I am excited. Are Luke Adam and Chris Doyle really the only thing missing from making us a championship team? I'm not sure how any manager in his right mind can think that Not sure either but you can count on Adam and Doyle to get you 90 plus goals between them. McNeil with 35-40 and Horly is a poor mans version of Fergus can pot 20 doesnt really give you that bad of a start. MacDougall is a solid center and if you can get Shaw and Lesieur developing quicker you are pretty strong. All this depends on if all the D is back! Still think Moncton and Sea Dogs are 1/2 but some additions and subtractions can make the difference. I just see Adam and Doyle being game breakers, pure scorers who can take you to the next level. Be prepared to give up Ellis for this one. OK so you get expected goals from your top 5(Adam, Doyle, MacDougall, MacNeil, Horyl) but expecting LeSieur or Shaw to play top 6 is a HUGE reach. Expecting them to consistantly be top 9 forwards on a contender is also a big expectation. But who do you after those 3? Bernard, Deveaux, Maccarron......so after our top 5 our bottom 5 were all healthy scratches at some point in the playoffs or suspended by their team and then to fill out the roster we're using 2009 picks were we now have no 1st and maybe no 2rd or 3rd if we want another star forward. The lack of planning by the team is frightening. Going for it this year makes any Mem Cup bid in 2012 laughable. They're not going to give the Mem Cup to a franchise that has a Jr A team on the ice.
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Post by mikeb on Jun 4, 2009 12:39:04 GMT -4
Not sure either but you can count on Adam and Doyle to get you 90 plus goals between them. McNeil with 35-40 and Horly is a poor mans version of Fergus can pot 20 doesnt really give you that bad of a start. MacDougall is a solid center and if you can get Shaw and Lesieur developing quicker you are pretty strong. All this depends on if all the D is back! Still think Moncton and Sea Dogs are 1/2 but some additions and subtractions can make the difference. I just see Adam and Doyle being game breakers, pure scorers who can take you to the next level. Be prepared to give up Ellis for this one. OK so you get expected goals from your top 5(Adam, Doyle, MacDougall, MacNeil, Horyl) but expecting LeSieur or Shaw to play top 6 is a HUGE reach. Expecting them to consistantly be top 9 forwards on a contender is also a big expectation. But who do you after those 3? Bernard, Deveaux, Maccarron......so after our top 5 our bottom 5 were all healthy scratches at some point in the playoffs or suspended by their team and then to fill out the roster we're using 2009 picks were we now have no 1st and maybe no 2rd or 3rd if we want another star forward. The lack of planning by the team is frightening. Going for it this year makes any Mem Cup bid in 2012 laughable. They're not going to give the Mem Cup to a franchise that has a Jr A team on the ice. I agree. Unless there are some other changes made (like moving Brodeur and Meilleur) the team is no where near deep enough at forward position. Maybe Durocher knows he's not going to get both of Piskacek and Ward and will be looking for another 20YO forward.
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Post by catnut on Jun 4, 2009 12:39:14 GMT -4
According to RDS.ca
For Adam: Chouinard MacDonald 1st rounder
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 4, 2009 12:44:37 GMT -4
According to RDS.ca For Adam: Chouinard MacDonald 1st rounder Nothing better as an Eagle fan then getting fucked in the ass by Pascal Vincent for the 2nd straight year.
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Post by Clubber Lang on Jun 4, 2009 12:55:10 GMT -4
Not sure either but you can count on Adam and Doyle to get you 90 plus goals between them. McNeil with 35-40 and Horly is a poor mans version of Fergus can pot 20 doesnt really give you that bad of a start. MacDougall is a solid center and if you can get Shaw and Lesieur developing quicker you are pretty strong. All this depends on if all the D is back! Still think Moncton and Sea Dogs are 1/2 but some additions and subtractions can make the difference. I just see Adam and Doyle being game breakers, pure scorers who can take you to the next level. Be prepared to give up Ellis for this one. OK so you get expected goals from your top 5(Adam, Doyle, MacDougall, MacNeil, Horyl) but expecting LeSieur or Shaw to play top 6 is a HUGE reach. Expecting them to consistantly be top 9 forwards on a contender is also a big expectation. But who do you after those 3? Bernard, Deveaux, Maccarron......so after our top 5 our bottom 5 were all healthy scratches at some point in the playoffs or suspended by their team and then to fill out the roster we're using 2009 picks were we now have no 1st and maybe no 2rd or 3rd if we want another star forward. The lack of planning by the team is frightening. Going for it this year makes any Mem Cup bid in 2012 laughable. They're not going to give the Mem Cup to a franchise that has a Jr A team on the ice. We can debate this until the cows come home, bottom line is lack of planning and the inability to go all in when you need to, cost the eagles in 2006/2007 and will cost them in the future. Right now is not the time to go all in and neither is next year IMO. But because the eagles have adopted an ethics around hard work, character players, loyalty and icing a competitive team each year they continously put themselves in a position to add and not build. The adding gets you in the top 8 each year but never a title. I for one think adding Luke Adam adds a solid elite player but his supporting cast up front really is in the mid to bottom tier in the league. So again we are left in a position of vulnerability that has been self inflicted because of what? "Planning"!!
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Post by caperguy on Jun 4, 2009 13:00:37 GMT -4
According to RDS.ca For Adam: Chouinard MacDonald 1st rounder seems a bit steep for one player and (if) no picks in return
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 4, 2009 13:00:59 GMT -4
OK so you get expected goals from your top 5(Adam, Doyle, MacDougall, MacNeil, Horyl) but expecting LeSieur or Shaw to play top 6 is a HUGE reach. Expecting them to consistantly be top 9 forwards on a contender is also a big expectation. But who do you after those 3? Bernard, Deveaux, Maccarron......so after our top 5 our bottom 5 were all healthy scratches at some point in the playoffs or suspended by their team and then to fill out the roster we're using 2009 picks were we now have no 1st and maybe no 2rd or 3rd if we want another star forward. The lack of planning by the team is frightening. Going for it this year makes any Mem Cup bid in 2012 laughable. They're not going to give the Mem Cup to a franchise that has a Jr A team on the ice. We can debate this until the cows come home, bottom line is lack of planning and the inability to go all in when you need to, cost the eagles in 2006/2007 and will cost them in the future. Right now is not the time to go all in and neither is next year IMO. But because the eagles have adopted an ethics around hard work, character players, loyalty and icing a competitive team each year they continously put themselves in a position to add and not build. The adding gets you in the top 8 each year but never a title. I for one think adding Luke Adam adds a solid elite player but his supporting cast up front really is in the mid to bottom tier in the league. So again we are left in a position of vulnerability that has been self inflicted because of what? "Planning"!! Doesn't seem to be much to debate. Seems like we're on the same page. As fans we have no choice but to hope and pray Adam comes as advertised and we somehow find 3 or 4 other Q calibre top 9 forwards elsewhere. And maybe it's just me but why not throw Ellis in there and do this in January? This move just creates so many more questions and they all end up with the team looking incompetant.
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Post by Clubber Lang on Jun 4, 2009 13:04:55 GMT -4
We can debate this until the cows come home, bottom line is lack of planning and the inability to go all in when you need to, cost the eagles in 2006/2007 and will cost them in the future. Right now is not the time to go all in and neither is next year IMO. But because the eagles have adopted an ethics around hard work, character players, loyalty and icing a competitive team each year they continously put themselves in a position to add and not build. The adding gets you in the top 8 each year but never a title. I for one think adding Luke Adam adds a solid elite player but his supporting cast up front really is in the mid to bottom tier in the league. So again we are left in a position of vulnerability that has been self inflicted because of what? "Planning"!! Doesn't seem to be much to debate. Seems like we're on the same page. As fans we have no choice but to hope and pray Adam comes as advertised and we somehow find 3 or 4 other Q calibre top 9 forwards elsewhere. And maybe it's just me but why not throw Ellis in there and do this in January? This move just creates so many more questions and they all end up with the team looking incompetant. I would never make this move unless I knew for 100% certainty that both Ward and Jan were back
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