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Post by Murph on Jun 4, 2009 15:19:42 GMT -4
Why are you so sure you'll get your guy in the Euro draft? You have a bad pick, and a bad history of getting quality players. Bad history? Bathurst has a bad history. We've usually found a way to get our guy. We had to settle for Benda when SJ took Pielmeier but we also got Piscacek later on. We got Demkov last year late and even though he never really fit in here he was still a good player. I know we're not Quebec who can get who they want where they want but if the team is willing to spend the money to bring over a good player then they'll find a way to get one in the 40's. You've found a way to get a guy. You have a history of getting guys to report. What you don't have a history of is landing immediate impact type guys. The type of guy you will need to make a run this coming year. Piscacek wasn't sought after, and he developed into something more than what most thought, but it still took 3 years. It's easy to say "Well if we spend the money".... except you haven't spent the money before, so what's changed? Maybe you'll take a flier on an older player. NHL drafted, and hope his NHL team wants him in NA, and then hope he doesn't stick in the AHL. It's higher risk, but it's a cheaper way of getting an impact guy.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Jun 4, 2009 15:20:20 GMT -4
So I guess Pavelec wasnt a impact player ?
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Post by mikeb on Jun 4, 2009 15:21:02 GMT -4
A top 6 of Adam, Doyle, Stinz, Horyl, McNeil and MacDougall is very good....... However your top 3 players are all goal scorers primarily, and they need somebody who can rush the puck, and make plays. I don't see anybody on the Eagles capable of that. Ideally, MacDougall drops to the 3rd line, and you get a playmaking forward that can dish the puck. I don't think from your draft position in the Euro draft, that can be accomplished with that pick. With Ward and Piskacek coming back there is no Stinz
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Post by Murph on Jun 4, 2009 15:26:13 GMT -4
So I guess Pavelec wasnt a impact player ? 1 guy. With the 11th overall pick. If you go back and read my post, I clearly stated that you have a history of getting sub-par guys with your later picks. Guys like Benda, Demkov, Kubus, Zarkhov (wasn't he a fairly high pick?), Velich, Barinka.... should I keep going? The only two quality Euros you've ever had via the draft are Ramholt and Pavelec, and both guys were high picks ie: Inside the top 15. This year, you pick 40th.
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Post by mikeb on Jun 4, 2009 15:27:21 GMT -4
So I guess Pavelec wasnt a impact player ? Toms, Kubus, Velich, Benda, Demkov, Kasik, Zharkov .... I don't think they qualify as impact for you guys.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 4, 2009 15:28:08 GMT -4
Bad history? Bathurst has a bad history. We've usually found a way to get our guy. We had to settle for Benda when SJ took Pielmeier but we also got Piscacek later on. We got Demkov last year late and even though he never really fit in here he was still a good player. I know we're not Quebec who can get who they want where they want but if the team is willing to spend the money to bring over a good player then they'll find a way to get one in the 40's. You've found a way to get a guy. You have a history of getting guys to report. What you don't have a history of is landing immediate impact type guys. The type of guy you will need to make a run this coming year. Piscacek wasn't sought after, and he developed into something more than what most thought, but it still took 3 years. It's easy to say "Well if we spend the money".... except you haven't spent the money before, so what's changed? Maybe you'll take a flier on an older player. NHL drafted, and hope his NHL team wants him in NA, and then hope he doesn't stick in the AHL. It's higher risk, but it's a cheaper way of getting an impact guy. Not in the 30's or 40's but we've brought in some pretty good players. And i'm not sure what you mean about not spending money. We might not be Quebec or Moncton but we've brought in some pretty good players. Considering the team is investing 500K into the rink I'd say the money is there if needed but like you said maybe they go with a cheaper guy if it could be more of an impact. But I don't think we have no shot just because we don't have a high pick.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 4, 2009 15:32:19 GMT -4
So I guess Pavelec wasnt a impact player ? Toms, Kubus, Velich, Benda, Demkov, Kasik, Zharkov .... I don't think they qualify as impact for you guys. Kubus was fine....over point per game in his 2nd season and .5 goals per game. But I agree none of them are "impact" top tier guys like Pavelec and Ramholt were. But I also don't see how picking guys like Toms and Kasik 8 years ago has anything to do with right now. The team is in a MUCH better financial position and obviously taking aim at being a top team.
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Post by Murph on Jun 4, 2009 15:32:22 GMT -4
You've found a way to get a guy. You have a history of getting guys to report. What you don't have a history of is landing immediate impact type guys. The type of guy you will need to make a run this coming year. Piscacek wasn't sought after, and he developed into something more than what most thought, but it still took 3 years. It's easy to say "Well if we spend the money".... except you haven't spent the money before, so what's changed? Maybe you'll take a flier on an older player. NHL drafted, and hope his NHL team wants him in NA, and then hope he doesn't stick in the AHL. It's higher risk, but it's a cheaper way of getting an impact guy. Not in the 30's or 40's but we've brought in some pretty good players. And i'm not sure what you mean about not spending money. We might not be Quebec or Moncton but we've brought in some pretty good players. Considering the team is investing 500K into the rink I'd say the money is there if needed but like you said maybe they go with a cheaper guy if it could be more of an impact. But I don't think we have no shot just because we don't have a high pick. The players that cost money are the ones drafted out of men's pro leagues. Their transfers can reach over 100K. The only two players you've ever drafted outside of a junior league are Barinka, and Kovalchuk, and their releases weren't secured. I'm not saying you have no shot. You always have a shot. EDIT: Should clarify, Pavelec's rights were owned by a men's league team, so he would have had a bigger transfer, even though he played mainly junior.
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Post by Murph on Jun 4, 2009 15:41:36 GMT -4
Toms, Kubus, Velich, Benda, Demkov, Kasik, Zharkov .... I don't think they qualify as impact for you guys. Kubus was fine....over point per game in his 2nd season and .5 goals per game. But I agree none of them are "impact" top tier guys like Pavelec and Ramholt were. But I also don't see how picking guys like Toms and Kasik 8 years ago has anything to do with right now. The team is in a MUCH better financial position and obviously taking aim at being a top team. If you're in such good shape financially, then why draft Demkov last year, who came out of a Div. 2 junior league, which has no transfer fees? That's basically a free player. If you're in a position to spend money, why not spend it? Guys who went after Demkov include Gratchev, Warg, Ostapchuk..... why not spend the money? There's no way your Russian contact that gave you Demkov, thought he was better than those 3. I also have to doubt the deep pockets your team now recently has. Your ticket sales haven't had any kind of huge spike. You only made 1 deep playoff run to benefit from extra home gates. Aren't the Eagles spending multy-million dollars on a reno project at C200? You sure there's money left to buy a high profile Euro?
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 4, 2009 15:47:46 GMT -4
Kubus was fine....over point per game in his 2nd season and .5 goals per game. But I agree none of them are "impact" top tier guys like Pavelec and Ramholt were. But I also don't see how picking guys like Toms and Kasik 8 years ago has anything to do with right now. The team is in a MUCH better financial position and obviously taking aim at being a top team. If you're in such good shape financially, then why draft Demkov last year, who came out of a Div. 2 junior league, which has no transfer fees? That's basically a free player. If you're in a position to spend money, why not spend it? Guys who went after Demkov include Gratchev, Warg, Ostapchuk..... why not spend the money? There's no way your Russian contact that gave you Demkov, thought he was better than those 3. I also have to doubt the deep pockets your team now recently has. Your ticket sales haven't had any kind of huge spike. You only made 1 deep playoff run to benefit from extra home gates. Aren't the Eagles spending multy-million dollars on a reno project at C200? You sure there's money left to buy a high profile Euro? I have zero proof of the teams financials but I doubt they spend $500k on the rink unless they've had some pretty successful seasons lately. The new bus they're leasing is also not coming cheap. We're not going to be turning into the New York Yankees or anything but things seem to be much better off the ice now then they've been at any other point in franchise history.
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Post by Murph on Jun 4, 2009 15:50:14 GMT -4
If you're in such good shape financially, then why draft Demkov last year, who came out of a Div. 2 junior league, which has no transfer fees? That's basically a free player. If you're in a position to spend money, why not spend it? Guys who went after Demkov include Gratchev, Warg, Ostapchuk..... why not spend the money? There's no way your Russian contact that gave you Demkov, thought he was better than those 3. I also have to doubt the deep pockets your team now recently has. Your ticket sales haven't had any kind of huge spike. You only made 1 deep playoff run to benefit from extra home gates. Aren't the Eagles spending multy-million dollars on a reno project at C200? You sure there's money left to buy a high profile Euro? I have zero proof of the teams financials but I doubt they spend $500k on the rink unless they've had some pretty successful seasons lately. The new bus they're leasing is also not coming cheap. We're not going to be turning into the New York Yankees or anything but things seem to be much better off the ice now then they've been at any other point in franchise history. My point, is while they're better off financially than say 4 years ago..... are they still better off after they spend the money commited to the rink? Personally, I'd like you see you trade for Knotek! You guys are in the giving mood.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 4, 2009 15:52:22 GMT -4
I have zero proof of the teams financials but I doubt they spend $500k on the rink unless they've had some pretty successful seasons lately. The new bus they're leasing is also not coming cheap. We're not going to be turning into the New York Yankees or anything but things seem to be much better off the ice now then they've been at any other point in franchise history. My point, is while they're better off financially than say 4 years ago..... are they still better off after they spend the money commited to the rink? Personally, I'd like you see you trade for Knotek! You guys are in the giving mood. We're running out of things to trade
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Post by Art Vandelay on Jun 4, 2009 15:53:08 GMT -4
I dont know if this applys or not but isnt there some kind of thing going on with the Eagles for anyone that wants a "special" deal. They always come back with you will get what Sheppard , Ouellet , etc got and nothing more. ?
That's why we are not known for throwing big bucks around because , its not because we dont have the money its just something they dont belieave in.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 4, 2009 15:56:27 GMT -4
I dont know if this applys or not but isnt there some kind of thing going on with the Eagles for anyone that wants a "special" deal. They always come back with you will get what Sheppard , Ouellet , etc got and nothing more. ? That's why we are not known for throwing big bucks around because , its not because we dont have the money its just something they dont belieave in. You don't actually believe that do you? Almost every team doesn't believe in it but it's because they can't afford it. The deals they've given out have been more then what other teams offer(see: Bathurst and a lot of the smaller Quebec teams) but its not going to be like Moncton or Quebec because we don't have that type of cash. It's kind of like me saying I don't believe in owning a $250K house because I can only afford a $100K house....even if I did believe in it I couldn't do it.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Jun 4, 2009 15:59:52 GMT -4
I dont know if this applys or not but isnt there some kind of thing going on with the Eagles for anyone that wants a "special" deal. They always come back with you will get what Sheppard , Ouellet , etc got and nothing more. ? That's why we are not known for throwing big bucks around because , its not because we dont have the money its just something they dont belieave in. You don't actually believe that do you? Almost every team doesn't believe in it but it's because they can't afford it. The deals they've given out have been more then what other teams offer(see: Bathurst and a lot of the smaller Quebec teams) but its not going to be like Moncton or Quebec because we don't have that type of cash. It's kind of like me saying I don't believe in owning a $250K house because I can only afford a $100K house....even if I did believe in it I couldn't do it. I actually think we do have some extra cash around but we refuse to pay impact , euro's americans whatever the case maybe , the extra money or whatever it is they are looking for to come and play here. Thats just my opinion on it . I dont wanna get into anything big here because i dont know for sure.
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