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Post by Score on Sept 24, 2007 22:32:12 GMT -4
As most agree, Jean is under the scope right away.
Some poor efforts early, the PP so far is not clicking, and the way he is managing his bench this early into the season shows desperation on his part. A few games into the season and already he's going with 6Fws and 4 Dman..........
He knows he needs results fast, but this is not going to help this team in the long run at all.
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Post by rocketlauncher on Sept 24, 2007 22:34:25 GMT -4
Agreed. Sadly, I don't see any changes in the near future to his strategy.
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Post by rocketlauncher on Sept 25, 2007 17:01:34 GMT -4
However, I really don't think that he will ever be fired until at least when his contrsct expires. He has been there over 2 years, done exactly the same thing since arriving, and has been Serge's boy the whole time.
He is one of those guys that thinks he knows everything about the game and nobody else can tell him otherwise. He needs to apprentice under a good coach somewhere and learn how to be a coach at this level. Has anyone actually heard him take any responsibility for a loss since hes been here?
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Post by fireside on Sept 25, 2007 21:05:33 GMT -4
i think he's been there cause for some unknown reason savard signed him to a three year deal before seeing if he was even capable of coaching the kids in this organization. A huge financial committment for the rocket organization and a stupid move in my opinion. If this is his final year then pay him out after a few months and get rid of him, anyone that knows me knows I have said "fire the coach" on more then one occasion!
he doesnt' take any responsibility, and while it doesn't all fall on his shoulders, with the roster we have he should be able to put a winning team together and play more then just one or two lines....and find lines that fit together and leave them together.
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Post by rocketlauncher on Sept 25, 2007 23:04:34 GMT -4
Rocket are losing money hand over fist. Thats why I don't see Jean going anywhere. They don't want to have to pay out a contract and then pay a new contract to someone else concurrently
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Post by rocketrumble on Sept 25, 2007 23:21:27 GMT -4
Rocket are losing money hand over fist. Thats why I don't see Jean going anywhere. They don't want to have to pay out a contract and then pay a new contract to someone else concurrently Great business stratgey...."Lets just keep putting forth a half assed effort to win..." That sadly is their stance...... |
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Post by bois on Sept 26, 2007 8:19:16 GMT -4
Rocket are losing money hand over fist. Thats why I don't see Jean going anywhere. They don't want to have to pay out a contract and then pay a new contract to someone else concurrently as Flipper would say.. have you seen their financial statements? Well even if you have they can easily fudge them to suggest they are losing money hand over fist.. I somehow don't buy it. and well if they had better organizational structure and a successful on ice product they wouldn't be losing money at all anyhow |
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Post by SteveUL on Sept 26, 2007 8:25:53 GMT -4
I doubt the Rocket are losing money in a big way. One of the biggest costs for any team is travel and travel in the East has been cut way down with only 10 games being played in Quebec. Your attendance hasn't dropped in a huge way ... yes it has gone down ... so your revenue stream is still there with a decrease in travel expenses.
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Post by IslandersHKY on Sept 26, 2007 10:42:54 GMT -4
I doubt the Rocket are losing money in a big way. One of the biggest costs for any team is travel and travel in the East has been cut way down with only 10 games being played in Quebec. Your attendance hasn't dropped in a huge way ... yes it has gone down ... so your revenue stream is still there with a decrease in travel expenses. Attendence isn't down much ? According to the Q site: 2003/04 - 3,198 (first year strong team) 2004/05 - 3,390 (rebuilding but good support) 2005/06 - 2,890 (Jean's first season which was a disaster) 2006/07 - 2,563 (fewer season ticket holders in response to 2005/06) 2007/08 - around 2,200 fans (season ticket sales dropped 10% from the previous season) That is a drop of approx 1,000 fans per game or in the range of $500,000 in revenue. And I'm not their accountant but I'm guessing they made money in the first 2 years , were around the break even in 05/06 and 06/07 and if things don't improve they will be losing money this season. Now normally there are about 500 or so fewer fans at this time of the year because of the weather/economy (ie. farmers/fisherman) but to me the real risk is the decreasing season ticket base which I don't consider a lack of support from fans for a losing team but a result of not getting good entertainment value for your money. This season for sales to increase I think the Rocket really need to start strong with a great October to get some buzz back and convince people that unlike the past few years this team is worth watching. But so far things have been sorely lacking as none of the home games were really very good. Now I'm sure Savard knows this and he also knows that he has a team with the potential to be a top team. So if Jean doesn't start showing that he is the coach for this team I doubt it takes Savard past the end of October to make up his mind which would mean a move could be made sometime in November. |
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Post by observer on Sept 26, 2007 13:43:05 GMT -4
RE. HockeyFan99 comments // Couldn't agree with you more. Well researched and written.
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Post by bois on Sept 26, 2007 14:06:08 GMT -4
I actually found last years team the most exciting on ice team we've had to watch since the Rocket came here
Year one was awfully sweet too but alot of that was because it was the "honeymoon" phase
I certainly don't disagree with your notion.. however I suggest there is far more to it than simply having a good start to the season
the buzz is just not there... why not? we can all formulate our opinions on that
i stress once more tho that attendance has declined quite a bit across the league.. it's not simply a PEI problem
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Post by brec7 on Sept 26, 2007 16:13:49 GMT -4
Great business stratgey...."Lets just keep putting forth a half assed effort to win..." That sadly is their stance...... I would not at all be surprised if that is actually the reason Jean is still on PEI. MANY have speculated that to be the case in CB as to why Pascal Vincent keeps his job as a coach because it's cheaper for the team to have one guy in both coach/GM roles. Unfortunately jr. hockey is a business and the fans do suffer as a result, and coaches lasting longer then they should is often a result of that. And bois is correct about attendance dropping league wide. There are a variety of theories on that. I'd say the 2 with the most weight would be 1) expansion diluting the product, 2) overexposure of the same teams coming in all the time. I would assume that lower attendance across the league has been discussed at many a league meeting but no one seems to have any solutions. |
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Post by dogpound on Sept 26, 2007 17:09:55 GMT -4
There's another obvious reason for league-wide decrease in attendance.
Too many teams in the playoffs, resulting in a virtually meaningless regular season, and near-total absence of real playoff races.
630 games stretching over 6 months, to eliminate TWO teams - dumb, dumb, dumb!
If only 12 teams were allowed into the playoffs (still too many, but a compromise), then the so-so teams would all be involved in a playoff race of some sort, heightening interest. It certainly would make a big difference to me as a fan, and I'm not the only one who feels that way.
As things stand now, with 16 teams in the playoffs, any team that isn't one of the very worst in the league is almost assured of a playoff spot by mid-January, whereas the better teams have clinched before Christmas.
This ridiculous playoff so-called "system" also gives us #1 vs #16 and #2 vs #15 matchups in the playoffs, not thrillers in anyone's book.
SMARTEN UP, Q!
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Post by wingman on Sept 26, 2007 18:08:34 GMT -4
Since Jean has been here, Savard has given Jean a very long leash and given him plenty of chances. Savard has gotten rid of players that Jean didn't get along with, has changed/added assistant coaches for him to work with and made the big trades for him, yet they still have the same results. The only thing that Savard hasn't changed is Jean and IMO Savard has done more than enough for him to be successful as a coach for PEI.
Before the season started, Savard was interviewed by the Guardian saying how season ticket sales were down again and that the finger was to be pointed in the direction of the team due to the on ice performance, which has to change. The question is whether he recognizes that Jean has been a big part of the problem since he arrived. If he does, does he bite the bullet on the remainder of Jean's contract? I think Savard is going to have to spend a few bucks in order to do what is right in the long run because the longer Jean and his losing ways are here, the more money Savard is going to lose in attendance.
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Post by stang07 on Sept 26, 2007 18:09:23 GMT -4
Great post, dogpound....the system is definitely not the best. Brec7 also made a good point that we keep seeing the same teams over and over again. I realize the reason for not seeing the Quebec teams as much is because of travel expenses but it gets really boring to see the same teams all the time. I felt it was way more exciting when the Quebec teams were here more often
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