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Post by Krang7 on Sept 27, 2007 10:12:25 GMT -4
If you need a drive, bus leaves Cornwall at 12:30 tomorrow; same for you, Krang. Thanks for the offer, but someone was already brave enough to offer me a ride. |
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Post by bois on Sept 27, 2007 10:29:30 GMT -4
I agree for late season matchups with teams involved in playoff races it would boost attendance That doesn't boost season ticket sales or early season attendance tho and you also don't adress the counterpoint of teams with no chance of making the playoffs... they would be playing in empty arenas from February on.. as no matter what someone has to suck every year Bois, fans of 17th or 18th-place hockey teams don't even think of playoffs - they KNOW their team is lousy, but they go anyway, because they're true fans. When I'm talking about season-long interest, I'm not talking about rabid fans or season-ticket holders who go to games regardless - I'm talking about casual or semi-casual fans, who go to anywhere from 5 to 20 games a year. Those people might need a reason to go watch the Rocket play Bathurst on a cold Wednesday night in February, and playoff race would be an added incentive....it would for me, anyway, and believe it or not, fans like me matter. Now having said that, are you coming to the game in Moncton? If not, why not? State your reasons and explain, in 200 words or more. If you need a drive, bus leaves Cornwall at 12:30 tomorrow; same for you, Krang. Of course fans like you matter, but we are not talking specifics here we are talking generics. The discussion somehow got to addressing the declining attendance of the Rocket in particular and of the Q in general. I just don't buy your argument that a changed playoff format would alter that very much if at all. I think it's a a much more deep rooted problem than that and I argued my reasons already which nobody has countered as for the game tomorrow.. undecided but I won't be going at 12:30 that's for sure. I do appreciate the ride offer tho. If I do end up there I'll try and get a seat in section 5.. and while you can purchase beer for everyone else. I do owe you 25 bucks so I'll be contributing that next time I see you. |
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Post by Stuck in a Loop... on Sept 27, 2007 11:20:52 GMT -4
What bus is going over tomorrow? is a roadtrip bus?
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Post by dogpound on Sept 27, 2007 11:25:47 GMT -4
What bus is going over tomorrow? is a roadtrip bus? Sorry, there's no bus, didn't mean to confuse anyone. It's my "bus". It's a Camry, and it leaves Cornwall Tim Horton's at 12:30 tomorrow Friday, returning right after the game. |
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Post by Stuck in a Loop... on Sept 27, 2007 11:29:27 GMT -4
lol ok tthought thats sorta what ya meant, didnt really think there would be a roadtrip bus on a friday so lol  |
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Post by fireside on Sept 27, 2007 11:36:26 GMT -4
at one time Justin there would have been a bus going over!!!
now its just the fans taking their own cars heading over!
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Post by fireside on Sept 27, 2007 11:36:48 GMT -4
why leaving so freakin early Doggy!!!!
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Post by dogpound on Sept 27, 2007 11:54:47 GMT -4
why leaving so freakin early Doggy!!!! Going to buy a camera for Ms Pound at Sony's in the mall, pickles and cans of Coke at Costco for me, drop in at the Cage to buy tickets using that precious coupon, then St Hubert, then the game. I like having lotsa time. |
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Post by fireside on Sept 27, 2007 12:00:48 GMT -4
i have to venture to the rocket office if i want to use my coupon thingy tomorrow night....hmmm paying a few extra dollars vs seeing gary connolly....think i'll just pay full price, LOL
you and your pickles...LOL
see ya at the game
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Post by wingman on Sept 27, 2007 14:35:16 GMT -4
One thing to consider about allowing less teams in the playoffs, is what it does to the playoffs themselves.
If you have 4 or 6 less teams making the playoffs, then you get into an unbalanced playoff bracket where teams would be using byes to get from one round to the next. I think that takes away from the playoffs due to the long layoff between games for some teams which can have an effect on a team.
Or if you want a balanced playoff bracket then you reduce the number of teams to 8 teams but then you only have 3 rounds of playoffs where after a team wins the first round they are already in the semi-finals. Again I think this takes away from the playoffs because it makes it easier for a team to win the championship.
If there was a choice between a more meaningful playoff or a more meaningful regular season, I would rather have a more meaningful playoff. But getting back to the topic at hand of Yannick Jean......in the end it may be better as a Rocket fan to have a more meaningful regular season because with Jean as coach the playoffs haven't had much meaning for us since he has been here.
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Post by dogpound on Sept 27, 2007 15:35:55 GMT -4
Or if you want a balanced playoff bracket then you reduce the number of teams to 8 teams but then you only have 3 rounds of playoffs where after a team wins the first round they are already in the semi-finals. Again I think this takes away from the playoffs because it makes it easier for a team to win the championship. "EASIER"? A team that finished first doesn't have to play a 16th-place team, and you think we're giving that first-place team an unfair advantage? It's a lot more unfair to have a team that finished 10 games under .500 and has no business being in there hit a lucky streak and down a much better team in a short series - now THAT'S unfair! Three rounds of playoffs is plenty! Football has three rounds of playoffs, baseball has three rounds of playoffs, nothing wrong with that. You think it's easy finishing first in an 18-team league? Think again! Teams that have worked hard, played well, and shown their superiority during the regular season should deserve something for their effort - if that means a bye, then a bye it is....which is what you'd have with 12 teams in the playoffs - it's a compromise between 8 and 16 teams, the way I see it. Last year, Lewiston, after finishing first and dominating the league, were "rewarded" by having to travel to Shawinigan to play the sad-sack Cataractes - some reward! The previous year was the classic series between 1st-place Moncton and 16th place Victoriaville...what a great show THAT was! My preference would be to have only 8 teams in the playoffs - this way, all the series would be competitive, and you'd get rid of the gross mismatches that we've been witnessing....I know that'll never happen, so 12 would be a reasonable compromise. The Q is the only league I've ever seen that expanded the number of teams (from 16 to 18) and at the same time, DECREASED the number of teams that miss the playoffs, from 3 to 2 - AMAZING! You can't really defend 16 teams out of 18 making the playoffs - it makes the regular season a joke, allows teams into the playoffs that have no business there, gives you godawful matchups in the first round that nobody wants to watch, and is manifestly unfair to teams that have finished in upper reaches of the standings. Time to smarten up. |
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Post by wingman on Sept 27, 2007 17:05:12 GMT -4
Or if you want a balanced playoff bracket then you reduce the number of teams to 8 teams but then you only have 3 rounds of playoffs where after a team wins the first round they are already in the semi-finals. Again I think this takes away from the playoffs because it makes it easier for a team to win the championship. . Was that last comment directed to me? |
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Post by dogpound on Sept 27, 2007 17:10:35 GMT -4
Was that last comment directed to me? Not at all. |
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Post by wingman on Sept 27, 2007 17:23:16 GMT -4
Was that last comment directed to me? Not at all. Cool, thanks! |
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Post by brec7 on Sept 27, 2007 17:54:45 GMT -4
Dogpound, your posts are well-written and all, but you don't answer the key question!
You say you'd like to see 8 teams in the Q playoffs. You say that the current playoff format is a reason for attendance woes.
So the question... why would attendance go UP for teams in the 11 to 18 range if there were only 8 teams in the playoffs?
Quite simply, it wouldn't!!
And as for last year's playoffs, Lewiston's reward for finishing first was pretty obvious. They played Rouyn-Noranda in round 3; Cape Breton played Val'dor. You don't think us CB fans were kicking ourselves for not finishing first when the MAINEiacs blew through the Huskies? You don't think that made a difference in how the playoffs broke down? You can make a very strong argument that the most integral part of Lewiston winning the Q last year was finishing first in the regular season.
bois's point about the exodus to Alberta is well taken also. In CB we drew something like 4400 for a game against the Sea Dogs over the holidays. Clearly that was highly inflated by the people home for the holidays. If populations decrease, obviously there are less people to draw fans from.
I also agree with his point about the NHL since it came back- it came back more popular then when it left. There's no doubt some of the more casual fans will take a pass on seeing a Q game if there's a good NHL game on TV.
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