Foggies Vs Rocket

[trouty]

oh ok i got ya when i read it i was not sure what you meant i understand now

ya i hate taunting myself my opinion was 2 devils shooters got way to fancy with their attemps,yes Kempe move was awesome,and the save was great but those type moves rarely work and most time miss or lose the puck trying them

[rocketrumble]

Trap was attempted, briefly........

Whats with still rolling two lines?

[wingman]

rocketlauncher said:

The trap is about patience. With time running out on the clock, a team has not got time to be patient. Also the trap takes place in the neutral zone, so if PEI was unable to clear the puck it was not due to the trap

A trap doesn't have to take place in the neutral zone, it can be adjusted to choke off the play in any of the 3 zones. If the trap was such a poor decision by the Fog Devils, then why did it work for them? That's the style they play and they play it well, like I said before, that's how teams create their offence. Why change something that works for you?

That's the problem with the Rocket. When they play a forechecking style they get the lead, then they change it up and sit back on their heels and alot of times lose. I thought that was a smart decision by the Fog Devils coach to keep playing the way they did, because playing the trap like they do kept them in the game. If they had tried to open it up, which is something they may not be good at or not be familiar to playing that syle, the Rocket could have scored another goal to really put the game out of reach. A team has to play to their strengths which is something that the Rocket simply don't do and it costs them games.

[IslandersHKY]

Couple of thoughts about the game.

Firstly again the Rocket come out completely flat and they were lucky to only be playing the Fog Devils as against a better team the Rocket would have lost.

I think the move with Gelinas was simply to make a change. I agree the 2 goals weren't Gelinas fault but sometimes you make a goalie change for the sake of a change. I rarely agree with jean but in this case I do. On the positive side I like Gelinas's new gear.

And Gallant was looking for a fight. He was talking to Graham in warm up. I also saw him talking to Filler and Graham in the first period, neither were interested or not allowed.

Not sure about anyone else but with about 8:00 left I noticed the Rocket really ease off the pressure and tense up and I just knew that St. John's was going to end up tying this game.

As for individual comments:

I agree with Bois's comments Doyle really wasn't that great tonight he did get 2 nice goals but didn't really do much else the other 64 mins.

Morrison certainly wasn't at his best although I find it ironic that in a game where he wasn't competing he gets credited with 4 hits, he set up what could have been the winner and scores in the shootout, so the stats sheet would suggest the opposite. And that tying goal was completely his fault and I noticed he didn't see a shift in OT. Just another example of a coaching decision that I completely disagree with. In OT you have to go with your best players not bench them for a mistake and then to go to Morrison in the Shootout after sitting cold for 10 mins. Just doesn't make sense. If Jean wanted to send a message he should have flipped him and Lachaine in the third period and then talked to Morrison about his game on Thurs, not wait until Overtime to sit him.

Walker was pretty good tonight. Maybe not at his best but he was really the only one worth watching on the top line.

I thought Coon-Come played a very solid first home game. As I said about him in training camp he has solid skills and plays with grit. At 17 and only his 4th Q game he will need time to develop into that 2nd line centre role as he is not there yet but I liked what he brought and Kana/Latal gave him some good support. Give this line some time and it should get better with each game.

I really liked Kana's game tonight. He played strong along the boards and a number of times he came in to help Coon-Come.

Latal also played a pretty good game and had a great shootout winner. Personally I hated his showboating after especially going after Filler. Should make it an interesting re-match next Friday. As well I am pretty sure that he got that misconduct for his showboating after the goal as nothing was announced during the game and that was the only incident. Like Catatonic Moose said it is pretty rare to see a penalty in a shootout but in this case it was warranted. Although Filler did come off of the bench at Latal which I also consider a no-no and possibly even suspendable as that could have created a bench brawl. Having said that in this case you either suspend both Filler & Latal for a game or just leave it, likely it will be the latter.

IMO Gervais had a tough first period but got stronger as the game went on and was solid in the third when we really needed him.

Main played a solid game and really helped Deighan.

I thought Deighan played a great game tonight. He was dependable back there and was really rewarded for his strong play with a lot of ice time especially late in the game. Personally I don't like him on that PP and can't understand why Southorn isn't used or at least Gervais. Plus I would like to see Clow continue to get some PP time to develop.

I hated the pairing of Southorn and Clow which is a not the right combination at all especially against the Fog Devils but I was at least happy to see them play a regular shift for at least the first 2 periods.

I really liked that at least Jean was rolling 3 lines regularly and I thought Lachaine had a pretty good game and was happy to see him get lots of ice time in third and overtime. McKinley made an impact but wasn't as good as last time I saw him play. Gallant wasn't really involved in the play all night.

As for Lafleur his first save was big but his second was unbelievable. Hopefully that is a good confidence boast for him heading into Friday.

Anyway a win is a win and at least the game had an entertaining finish. Here's hoping Friday is a better effort.

And I continue to be left wondering how much longer the clock is going to tick for Jean because I still see no signs of this team turning things around.

[crocop]

admin said:

I thought that Deighan played a pretty good game tonight.........

Coon-Come played pretty good as well IMO. Kid has some good offensive skill in the zone.

I thought that Coon-Come was one of our better players last night. He played a lot of minutes too.

[markofthebeast]

rocketlauncher said:

You have no clue about the trap wingman. The purpose is to have one player direct the play into the wall of players in the neutral zone, which can be configured in a number of manners. If you tried to trap at the offensive blueline then that means the D need to move up to help create that wall leaving a lot of room for a player from the team breaking out to get behind the D for a stretch pass. If there is more than one player in the O zone directing the play, thats not a trap, thats a forecheck. I think you need to brush up on your coaching skills.

Wingman is right the trap can be conformed to just about any situation excluding the offensive zone, and then it is a forecheck. The coaches have gotten that smart and will play a trap style right down to 3on3 where it gets a little difficult.

[Fusion]

Game sucked, Rocket sucked... one of the boring nights at the CCC.

[wingman]

hockeyfan99 said:

Morrison certainly wasn't at his best although I find it ironic that in a game where he wasn't competing he gets credited with 4 hits, he set up what could have been the winner and scores in the shootout, so the stats sheet would suggest the opposite. And that tying goal was completely his fault and I noticed he didn't see a shift in OT. Just another example of a coaching decision that I completely disagree with. In OT you have to go with your best players not bench them for a mistake and then to go to Morrison in the Shootout after sitting cold for 10 mins. Just doesn't make sense. If Jean wanted to send a message he should have flipped him and Lachaine in the third period and then talked to Morrison about his game on Thurs, not wait until Overtime to sit him.

I understand what you are saying but perhaps Jean didn't have much of a choice but to sit Morrison for that mistake. It wouldn't be a surprise if he is preaching to the players that any player is to be held accountable for their poor play and/or costly mistakes by being benched. That might be a reason why players are only getting 1 or 2 shifts and then never see the ice again.

If that's the case, how does he explain to those players and the rest of the team that only applies to certain players and the rest of the players gets dealt with differently. Just because Morrison is a star player it shouldn't mean that he is above reproach when it comes to benchings, even if a game is on the line. Before a game you can't tell players that punishments apply to all players and then during the game turn around and do the opposite when it comes to certain players. That's one way for a coach to lose their team in the dressing room, because after that the players will have a hard time believing you the next time you tell them something.

[IslandersHKY]

wingman said:

hockeyfan99 said:

Morrison certainly wasn't at his best although I find it ironic that in a game where he wasn't competing he gets credited with 4 hits, he set up what could have been the winner and scores in the shootout, so the stats sheet would suggest the opposite. And that tying goal was completely his fault and I noticed he didn't see a shift in OT. Just another example of a coaching decision that I completely disagree with. In OT you have to go with your best players not bench them for a mistake and then to go to Morrison in the Shootout after sitting cold for 10 mins. Just doesn't make sense. If Jean wanted to send a message he should have flipped him and Lachaine in the third period and then talked to Morrison about his game on Thurs, not wait until Overtime to sit him.

I understand what you are saying but perhaps Jean didn't have much of a choice but to sit Morrison for that mistake. It wouldn't be a surprise if he is preaching to the players that any player is to be held accountable for their poor play and/or costly mistakes by being benched. That might be a reason why players are only getting 1 or 2 shifts and then never see the ice again.

If that's the case, how does he explain to those players and the rest of the team that only applies to certain players and the rest of the players gets dealt with differently. Just because Morrison is a star player it shouldn't mean that he is above reproach when it comes to benchings, even if a game is on the line. Before a game you can't tell players that punishments apply to all players and then during the game turn around and do the opposite when it comes to certain players. That's one way for a coach to lose their team in the dressing room, because after that the players will have a hard time believing you the next time you tell them something.

You make a great point Wingman and I agree with you in that is how things should be done.

But last night in overtime with Morrison is not the best time to suddenly start benching some of PEI's top players. That kind of thing should have been happening all season not suddenly blaming Morrison for a mistake made mostly from Fatigue.

[rocketfan4]

[kdr]

unreal. wish that was the norm.

[wingman]

hockeyfan99 said:

You make a great point Wingman and I agree with you in that is how things should be done.

But last night in overtime with Morrison is not the best time to suddenly start benching some of PEI's top players. That kind of thing should have been happening all season not suddenly blaming Morrison for a mistake made mostly from Fatigue.

Either way it's hard to figure out Jean. It seems like it's gotten to the point where most things, if not everything, he is trying to get the team going is simply not working and he is starting to grasp at straws hoping to find the right method.