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Post by bois on Nov 2, 2007 12:42:20 GMT -4
Here's what I would do if i had my say....
I would deal Morrison, Lessard and LaFleur for some 18's and picks and someones unwanted 20 ( to accept Morrison we likely take back the odd man out)
I would entertain offers for Walker and Latal but would only deal them if blown away
I would deal one of our 17 year old dmen (not named Southorn) for an 18 year old dman if possible.. if not for a high pick
I would ride Gelinas out and call up Mosher and give him some real playing time
I would play all our guys leftover not dealt in the housecleaning.. especially the local kids.. I would play a mistake prone style of game but one that would be entertaining to watch.. let the kids learn from their mistakes instead of being punished for them..
I would make sure we have another solid Euro lined up for next year.. not 17 tho.. preferably 18 but 19 would be fine too
I would make a trade at the draft this summer for an impact overager using some of the picks we stockpiled up on in dealing Morrison, Lessard, lafluer etc.. and by impact i mean Morrisonesque impact.. time will tell who that would be
I would make next year a real year to follow last years RN plan.. and then the year following we should be a legit contender IMO
you can not worry about who will possibly make the NHL.. you worry about that if/when it happens.. right now I have no fear of any of our players unexpectedly turning pro at 18 or 19
as for this year you still should make the playoffs while letting your kids grow and stamping the team as Guy's team...
as for selling tickets you use your gained free time by handing hockey operations over to Chouinard by concentrating on rebuilding your market thru corporate sponsors and showing some fan attachment... you put the hard working product on ice, show us you re planning, work in co-operation with people.. tickets will sell themselves
and while i was never a fan of Jean or keeping him as long as we did.. he can't be blamed for the complete lack of hockey planning this franchise has shown...
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Post by Krang7 on Nov 2, 2007 12:45:38 GMT -4
It's like you read my mind Woodsie, that's about exactly what my plan would be. And I have a feeling it's not too far off what Chouinard's plans are either.
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Post by coreyapple on Nov 2, 2007 12:56:09 GMT -4
Here's what I would do if i had my say.... I would deal Morrison, Lessard and LaFleur for some 18's and picks and someones unwanted 20 ( to accept Morrison we likely take back the odd man out) I would entertain offers for Walker and Latal but would only deal them if blown away I would deal one of our 17 year old dmen (not named Southorn) for an 18 year old dman if possible.. if not for a high pick I would ride Gelinas out and call up Mosher and give him some real playing time I would play all our guys leftover not dealt in the housecleaning.. especially the local kids.. I would play a mistake prone style of game but one that would be entertaining to watch.. let the kids learn from their mistakes instead of being punished for them.. I would make sure we have another solid Euro lined up for next year.. not 17 tho.. preferably 18 but 19 would be fine too I would make a trade at the draft this summer for an impact overager using some of the picks we stockpiled up on in dealing Morrison, Lessard, lafluer etc.. and by impact i mean Morrisonesque impact.. time will tell who that would be I would make next year a real year to follow last years RN plan.. and then the year following we should be a legit contender IMO you can not worry about who will possibly make the NHL.. you worry about that if/when it happens.. right now I have no fear of any of our players unexpectedly turning pro at 18 or 19 as for this year you still should make the playoffs while letting your kids grow and stamping the team as Guy's team... as for selling tickets you use your gained free time by handing hockey operations over to Chouinard by concentrating on rebuilding your market thru corporate sponsors and showing some fan attachment... you put the hard working product on ice, show us you re planning, work in co-operation with people.. tickets will sell themselves and while i was never a fan of Jean or keeping him as long as we did.. he can't be blamed for the complete lack of hockey planning this franchise has shown... That sounds great, but only one thing I don't understand. Given everything else you're doing, why in the world would you trade a 17-year-old D-man for an 18-year-old D-man? What would that accomplish?  |
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Post by rocketman27 on Nov 2, 2007 13:05:52 GMT -4
Here's what I would do if i had my say.... I would deal Morrison, Lessard and LaFleur for some 18's and picks and someones unwanted 20 ( to accept Morrison we likely take back the odd man out) I would entertain offers for Walker and Latal but would only deal them if blown away I would deal one of our 17 year old dmen (not named Southorn) for an 18 year old dman if possible.. if not for a high pick I would ride Gelinas out and call up Mosher and give him some real playing time I would play all our guys leftover not dealt in the housecleaning.. especially the local kids.. I would play a mistake prone style of game but one that would be entertaining to watch.. let the kids learn from their mistakes instead of being punished for them.. I would make sure we have another solid Euro lined up for next year.. not 17 tho.. preferably 18 but 19 would be fine too I would make a trade at the draft this summer for an impact overager using some of the picks we stockpiled up on in dealing Morrison, Lessard, lafluer etc.. and by impact i mean Morrisonesque impact.. time will tell who that would be I would make next year a real year to follow last years RN plan.. and then the year following we should be a legit contender IMO you can not worry about who will possibly make the NHL.. you worry about that if/when it happens.. right now I have no fear of any of our players unexpectedly turning pro at 18 or 19 as for this year you still should make the playoffs while letting your kids grow and stamping the team as Guy's team... as for selling tickets you use your gained free time by handing hockey operations over to Chouinard by concentrating on rebuilding your market thru corporate sponsors and showing some fan attachment... you put the hard working product on ice, show us you re planning, work in co-operation with people.. tickets will sell themselves and while i was never a fan of Jean or keeping him as long as we did.. he can't be blamed for the complete lack of hockey planning this franchise has shown... That is exactly what I was thinking as well, give Guy a chance to put his name on the Rocket and have Serge start to market this team, the only way this team off ice is going to survive is get the corporate sponsors back and if you sell the idea to the fancs on how this will be a strong team next year that will put some butts in the seats. If the kids that are still playing start getting more ice time they will improve and if they can get into the playoffs and make it pass the first round or even if they don't this will help them next year when the real push starts. |
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Post by bois on Nov 2, 2007 13:31:13 GMT -4
Here's what I would do if i had my say.... I would deal Morrison, Lessard and LaFleur for some 18's and picks and someones unwanted 20 ( to accept Morrison we likely take back the odd man out) I would entertain offers for Walker and Latal but would only deal them if blown away I would deal one of our 17 year old dmen (not named Southorn) for an 18 year old dman if possible.. if not for a high pick I would ride Gelinas out and call up Mosher and give him some real playing time I would play all our guys leftover not dealt in the housecleaning.. especially the local kids.. I would play a mistake prone style of game but one that would be entertaining to watch.. let the kids learn from their mistakes instead of being punished for them.. I would make sure we have another solid Euro lined up for next year.. not 17 tho.. preferably 18 but 19 would be fine too I would make a trade at the draft this summer for an impact overager using some of the picks we stockpiled up on in dealing Morrison, Lessard, lafluer etc.. and by impact i mean Morrisonesque impact.. time will tell who that would be I would make next year a real year to follow last years RN plan.. and then the year following we should be a legit contender IMO you can not worry about who will possibly make the NHL.. you worry about that if/when it happens.. right now I have no fear of any of our players unexpectedly turning pro at 18 or 19 as for this year you still should make the playoffs while letting your kids grow and stamping the team as Guy's team... as for selling tickets you use your gained free time by handing hockey operations over to Chouinard by concentrating on rebuilding your market thru corporate sponsors and showing some fan attachment... you put the hard working product on ice, show us you re planning, work in co-operation with people.. tickets will sell themselves and while i was never a fan of Jean or keeping him as long as we did.. he can't be blamed for the complete lack of hockey planning this franchise has shown... That sounds great, but only one thing I don't understand. Given everything else you're doing, why in the world would you trade a 17-year-old D-man for an 18-year-old D-man? What would that accomplish? We have 4 17 year old dmen right now.. logically you can't/shouldn't keep them all .. as what happens when they all graduate at the same time? Trading for an 18 y/o would provide some veteran leadership you will lose by dealing Lessard and giving you a 19 year old defenseman for next year.. I believe you should have no more than 3 dmen the same age group ever |
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Post by fireside on Nov 2, 2007 13:31:34 GMT -4
Great post Bois.....
Ya never know Rocket brass might be reading this and offer you a job!!!!!!
Now time will only tell us if Serge is actually going to let Guy run this team his way and let him make the changes needed to rebuild this team and stop this "stop gap" shit.
Give him the reigns and let him run with it, we already know he has the credentials to build and work with a winning team, he just needs to be allowed to do so. Hopefully he is the DHO in all aspects and not just in name only.
When the team shows a plan, the fans will come back and the ones still going will wait out the not so good games. Maybe things really will be looking up......and its been a long time since we have actually been able to think it may happen!
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Post by wingman on Nov 2, 2007 13:41:36 GMT -4
To add to Bois' list ( and great post by the way), I would look at trading the 19 year olds that won't be back as over-agers next season and that includes Latal. I would consider moving him so that they don't lose him without getting anything in return like they did with Gragnani. But if they can get assurances or at least an indication that Latal would be back next season, I would hang onto him.
I would keep Lafleur this season for a couple of reasons. One is so that they can keep Mosher in junior A so that he can be a starter and get starter's playing time. Even if Lafleur was moved, Mosher would still be splitting starting duties with Gelinas and that's if he would even be placed in a starters role for the Rocket. Another reason for keeping Lafleur is that right now his trade value may not be the best, but I think that his play will come around and if that were to happen, they might get more for him in the off-season than they would now. Mind you his play could stay the same and get even less in a trade after the season, but I would take that chance if it means that Mosher keeps developing in the MJAHL this season.
As far as the attendance and the marketing of the team, I agree that Savard should let Chouinard handle the hockey operations and he concentrates on the attendance and marketing. Be up front and honest with people and let them know what is going on and what the team's intentions are in regards to re-building, but be prepared to offer something up front in return for the fan's patience. The Rocket are to the point with fans where promises of future success are simply not going to cut it anymore because fans have been hearing it for so long that they won't buy just empty promises. They have to sweeten the pot for the fans by better ticket offers, more perks for the season ticket holders, better game day experience for the fans in the form of prizes, giveaways, etc. That may cost money for the team, but they are going to have to start rewarding the fan's patience too and do it up front, not after the fact.
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Post by bois on Nov 2, 2007 13:46:59 GMT -4
Yes I forgot to mention I would consider dealing any 19 year old you know won't be back next year if there was a decent offer
The problem is all of our 19's pretty much could be back next year except Latal
and re: Latal... if he were a 19 y/o Canadian kid then I'd agree with you wingman.. being as he is a Euro tho and is pretty much the only fan favorite here now.. I would definitely keep him unless as I said you were blown away by an offer.. problem is how many contending teams have room to add a Euro? limited market means limited return.. I wouldn't do it
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Post by wingman on Nov 2, 2007 13:56:37 GMT -4
Yes I forgot to mention I would consider dealing any 19 year old you know won't be back next year if there was a decent offer The problem is all of our 19's pretty much could be back next year except Latal and re: Latal... if he were a 19 y/o Canadian kid then I'd agree with you wingman.. being as he is a Euro tho and is pretty much the only fan favorite here now.. I would definitely keep him unless as I said you were blown away by an offer.. problem is how many contending teams have room to add a Euro? limited market means limited return.. I wouldn't do it I forgot about the European thing, you do have a good point. Myself personally, I don't like to see players move on without getting anything in return, especially when trying to re-build, but you are right about the limitations with him being a Euro player. Not all 19 year olds could be back next year as there can only be 3 of them and with the exception of Latal, IMO they wouldn't be the best options for over-age players on a re-building team. |
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Post by bois on Nov 2, 2007 14:02:02 GMT -4
I know only 3 can come back my point was they all have the likelihood of being capable of playing in the league next year (as only Latal and maybe LaFleur I think could turn pro)
Therefore who do you trade and who do you keep?
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Post by Score on Nov 2, 2007 14:10:46 GMT -4
I know only 3 can come back my point was they all have the likelihood of being capable of playing in the league next year (as only Latal and maybe LaFleur I think could turn pro) Therefore who do you trade and who do you keep? I think Gervais is a given to be one of the 20's next season. Can't see them trading Lessard at all IMO...so he's another. Thats 2. Locke and Lachaine can be traded, but I dont expect to see much in return. Lafleur could be traded, as It's a good possibility that he will be back next season....IMO. Also, after reading some posts here, I now think that keeping Latal would be a good move too.....although, the Titan could use a Euro.. |
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Post by wingman on Nov 2, 2007 14:20:13 GMT -4
I think that Paynter, Main and of course Schmidt (if he is even a Rocket by December) won't be back as 20 year olds, not sure what kind of value they would be in a trade though.
In a re-building year I wouldn't keep Lachaine and Locke as over-age players, I think they would even be questionable in a contending year, but I think they are more tradeable and get more value in a trade than the other mentioned players. If Gervais was healthy and playing like he is capable of, I would put him in the same boat as Lachaine and Locke.
That leaves Latal, Lafleur and Lessard. Latal and Lafleur I mentioned before and I would have no problem bringing back Lessard.
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Post by Score on Nov 2, 2007 14:22:23 GMT -4
Interesting topic Score and I have a few comments. First I continue to be amazed at how people continue to discount Malouin, he really should be included in that group as IMO he has been just as good or better than Clow & Deighan, yet people continue to talk about him separately. I still believe by the end of the season he will really emerge and I really think he will be a solid Top 4 defense next season if given the opportunity. IMO, Deighan has outplayed Malouin to date...as a Q Rookie. Clow has not seen enough ice time to say that either is better.....Though I would rather keep him as he is more offensivly gifted then Malouin. I strongly feel that Malouin will be traded. Lessard-Southy Gervais-Deighan Clow-?? |
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Post by wingman on Nov 2, 2007 14:26:47 GMT -4
I think Gervais is a given to be one of the 20's next season. I like Gervais and has been one of my faves since he has been here, and I would hate to see him go. But in a re-building year I think it would have to be either him or Lessard and not both, so that they can give the younger defensemen more ice time. EDIT: Here is what I would go with next year for a defense corps - - Lessard - Southorn - Deighan - Clow - an offensive pp quarterback type (preferably 19 yr old) - 6th & 7th spots to break in rookies |
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Post by rocketlauncher on Nov 2, 2007 14:50:51 GMT -4
I seriously doubt there will be 4 17's on D after Christmas. Right now Micalef is selecting who plays and go gets what ice time. His depth chart right now is:
Lessard
Gervais
Main
Southorn
Malouin
Deighan
Clow
As of right now Clow wants out. I don't think it will be Maluoin traded at Christmas. Like it or not you may even see 2 17's gone from D. Southorn has expressed interest in being traded as well.
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