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Post by SteveUL on Apr 4, 2017 14:26:32 GMT -4
The draft lottery will take place on Thursday and they are using computer generated picks this year ...
"After the team which will select during the first rank of the entry draft is determined, all the balls representing the team involved are removed from the draw. This process is repeated each time a team is drawn. However, if the Moncton Wildcats who finished last in the standing are not picked during the first or the second lottery draw, they will automatically be awarded the third draft pick overall. Equally, if according to the process described previously, the team that finished at the last rank is awarded automatically the third draft pick overall, or was selected during the first or the second draw, while the Sherbrooke Phoenix who finished next to last have not yet been selected, then they will be automatically awarded the fourth draft pick overall.
The league will use an electronic lottery machine in order to conduct the draw.
The results will be unveiled live from the Videotron Centre on TVA Sports, Rogers TV and the league’s Facebook page on April 6 at noon ET."
This electronic method means somebody programmed something and so unless you can view the program code then you can only take them for their word that it is all above board. If I'm Roger Shannon, I take an IT guy with me who can review the process internally.
The perfect method is to have a drum like at a bingo hall ... have a fresh box of white ping pong balls ... write Mon on 9 of them ... Sher on 6 ... and so on. Everything is done in front of the Governors and in front of each GM with a ball in the drum, if they choose to be there ... and then the outcome can't be questioned.
I expect that they have a simple code written to generate numbers from 1 to 21 ... using a random number generator ... and a rounding algorithm. Moncton owns 1-9, Sher owns 10-15 ... and so on. Seems simple ... but also fairly easy to be manipulate if somebody inside wanted to. See NB Government property tax assessment scandal if you don't think it can happen.
Would the Q rather have Lafreniere playing most of his games in Quebec rinks ... or in Maritime rinks ?
Moncton has the best odds of getting 1st overall at 43% ... but that means that there is a 57% chance that we don't get 1st overall. The worst we can do is 3rd overall. While I'd be happy to be in the draft lottery if I finished 14th ... I don't think there is any need to have 5 teams in the lottery when 3 of them made the playoffs. I'd be okay with 3.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 4, 2017 15:01:18 GMT -4
The draft lottery will take place on Thursday and they are using computer generated picks this year ... "After the team which will select during the first rank of the entry draft is determined, all the balls representing the team involved are removed from the draw. This process is repeated each time a team is drawn. However, if the Moncton Wildcats who finished last in the standing are not picked during the first or the second lottery draw, they will automatically be awarded the third draft pick overall. Equally, if according to the process described previously, the team that finished at the last rank is awarded automatically the third draft pick overall, or was selected during the first or the second draw, while the Sherbrooke Phoenix who finished next to last have not yet been selected, then they will be automatically awarded the fourth draft pick overall. The league will use an electronic lottery machine in order to conduct the draw. The results will be unveiled live from the Videotron Centre on TVA Sports, Rogers TV and the league’s Facebook page on April 6 at noon ET." This electronic method means somebody programmed something and so unless you can view the program code then you can only take them for their word that it is all above board. If I'm Roger Shannon, I take an IT guy with me who can review the process internally. The perfect method is to have a drum like at a bingo hall ... have a fresh box of white ping pong balls ... write Mon on 9 of them ... Sher on 6 ... and so on. Everything is done in front of the Governors and in front of each GM with a ball in the drum, if they choose to be there ... and then the outcome can't be questioned. I expect that they have a simple code written to generate numbers from 1 to 21 ... using a random number generator ... and a rounding algorithm. Moncton owns 1-9, Sher owns 10-15 ... and so on. Seems simple ... but also fairly easy to be manipulate if somebody inside wanted to. See NB Government property tax assessment scandal if you don't think it can happen. Would the Q rather have Lafreniere playing most of his games in Quebec rinks ... or in Maritime rinks ? Moncton has the best odds of getting 1st overall at 43% ... but that means that there is a 57% chance that we don't get 1st overall. The worst we can do is 3rd overall. While I'd be happy to be in the draft lottery if I finished 14th ... I don't think there is any need to have 5 teams in the lottery when 3 of them made the playoffs. I'd be okay with 3. The draft lottery should only be for non playoff teams, Q and NHL. Ridiculous that a team could get to round 3 and still pick 1st overall(with their pick). |
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Post by lirette on Apr 4, 2017 16:25:49 GMT -4
The draft lottery will take place on Thursday and they are using computer generated picks this year ... "After the team which will select during the first rank of the entry draft is determined, all the balls representing the team involved are removed from the draw. This process is repeated each time a team is drawn. However, if the Moncton Wildcats who finished last in the standing are not picked during the first or the second lottery draw, they will automatically be awarded the third draft pick overall. Equally, if according to the process described previously, the team that finished at the last rank is awarded automatically the third draft pick overall, or was selected during the first or the second draw, while the Sherbrooke Phoenix who finished next to last have not yet been selected, then they will be automatically awarded the fourth draft pick overall. The league will use an electronic lottery machine in order to conduct the draw. The results will be unveiled live from the Videotron Centre on TVA Sports, Rogers TV and the league’s Facebook page on April 6 at noon ET." This electronic method means somebody programmed something and so unless you can view the program code then you can only take them for their word that it is all above board. If I'm Roger Shannon, I take an IT guy with me who can review the process internally. The perfect method is to have a drum like at a bingo hall ... have a fresh box of white ping pong balls ... write Mon on 9 of them ... Sher on 6 ... and so on. Everything is done in front of the Governors and in front of each GM with a ball in the drum, if they choose to be there ... and then the outcome can't be questioned. I expect that they have a simple code written to generate numbers from 1 to 21 ... using a random number generator ... and a rounding algorithm. Moncton owns 1-9, Sher owns 10-15 ... and so on. Seems simple ... but also fairly easy to be manipulate if somebody inside wanted to. See NB Government property tax assessment scandal if you don't think it can happen. Would the Q rather have Lafreniere playing most of his games in Quebec rinks ... or in Maritime rinks ? Moncton has the best odds of getting 1st overall at 43% ... but that means that there is a 57% chance that we don't get 1st overall. The worst we can do is 3rd overall. While I'd be happy to be in the draft lottery if I finished 14th ... I don't think there is any need to have 5 teams in the lottery when 3 of them made the playoffs. I'd be okay with 3. Perhaps they'll even take it one step further and have Nicolas Dutil press the button on the computer! |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 4, 2017 16:38:10 GMT -4
My guess is Rimouski wins the lottery in true Edmonton/Pittsburgh style.
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Post by catnut on Apr 4, 2017 16:44:05 GMT -4
The draft lottery will take place on Thursday and they are using computer generated picks this year ... "After the team which will select during the first rank of the entry draft is determined, all the balls representing the team involved are removed from the draw. This process is repeated each time a team is drawn. However, if the Moncton Wildcats who finished last in the standing are not picked during the first or the second lottery draw, they will automatically be awarded the third draft pick overall. Equally, if according to the process described previously, the team that finished at the last rank is awarded automatically the third draft pick overall, or was selected during the first or the second draw, while the Sherbrooke Phoenix who finished next to last have not yet been selected, then they will be automatically awarded the fourth draft pick overall. The league will use an electronic lottery machine in order to conduct the draw. The results will be unveiled live from the Videotron Centre on TVA Sports, Rogers TV and the league’s Facebook page on April 6 at noon ET." This electronic method means somebody programmed something and so unless you can view the program code then you can only take them for their word that it is all above board. If I'm Roger Shannon, I take an IT guy with me who can review the process internally. The perfect method is to have a drum like at a bingo hall ... have a fresh box of white ping pong balls ... write Mon on 9 of them ... Sher on 6 ... and so on. Everything is done in front of the Governors and in front of each GM with a ball in the drum, if they choose to be there ... and then the outcome can't be questioned. I expect that they have a simple code written to generate numbers from 1 to 21 ... using a random number generator ... and a rounding algorithm. Moncton owns 1-9, Sher owns 10-15 ... and so on. Seems simple ... but also fairly easy to be manipulate if somebody inside wanted to. See NB Government property tax assessment scandal if you don't think it can happen. Would the Q rather have Lafreniere playing most of his games in Quebec rinks ... or in Maritime rinks ? Moncton has the best odds of getting 1st overall at 43% ... but that means that there is a 57% chance that we don't get 1st overall. The worst we can do is 3rd overall. While I'd be happy to be in the draft lottery if I finished 14th ... I don't think there is any need to have 5 teams in the lottery when 3 of them made the playoffs. I'd be okay with 3. Perhaps they'll even take it one step further and have Nicolas Dutil press the button on the computer! Or read the name of the team that comes out (camera clearly showing the Wildcats logo) "That looks like Baie-Comeau! I meant to say Baie-Comeau. So Baie-Comeau has the first pick." "Is that what's written on the ball?" "It's what I said" |
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Post by downthemiddle on Apr 5, 2017 0:14:56 GMT -4
I hear Steve UL is also a believer in frozen envelopes.
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Post by SteveUL on Apr 5, 2017 9:51:04 GMT -4
I hear Steve UL is also a believer in frozen envelopes. I had to look up that reference ... not a basketball fan at all so sorry I can't comment on that. I'm not suggesting the Q will fix the draft ... I'm saying that moving to a computer generated selection process is not an open and visible process that will do them any good. They open themselves to ridicule if say a team like Rimouski (a Q darling) gets first overall ... 14% chance for them. What is wrong with the simple bingo type drum where we see the balls go in and can count them, and one ball falls out ... nobody reaches in to grab it. Everything is visible and random. I don't understand the rationale that brings them to need to move to a computer generated pick process ... nothing is visible ... a number is generated by some code that somebody wrote and everybody is supposed to just trust that. I don't trust anything done in Quebec ... there is so much corruption in Quebec business that I don't do business there at all. They say that five Governors will be there, from teams not involved in the draft lottery. What the hell are they going to witness ? "Yup ... that's the number that the computer spit out ... it must be right". |
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Post by eagleog on Apr 5, 2017 10:03:33 GMT -4
Good luck in the lottery. Lafreniere would help ease the pain of this season a bit..
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 5, 2017 10:05:34 GMT -4
I hear Steve UL is also a believer in frozen envelopes. I had to look up that reference ... not a basketball fan at all so sorry I can't comment on that. I'm not suggesting the Q will fix the draft ... I'm saying that moving to a computer generated selection process is not an open and visible process that will do them any good. They open themselves to ridicule if say a team like Rimouski (a Q darling) gets first overall ... 14% chance for them. What is wrong with the simple bingo type drum where we see the balls go in and can count them, and one ball falls out ... nobody reaches in to grab it. Everything is visible and random. I don't understand the rationale that brings them to need to move to a computer generated pick process ... nothing is visible ... a number is generated by some code that somebody wrote and everybody is supposed to just trust that. I don't trust anything done in Quebec ... there is so much corruption in Quebec business that I don't do business there at all. They say that five Governors will be there, from teams not involved in the draft lottery. What the hell are they going to witness ? "Yup ... that's the number that the computer spit out ... it must be right". You claim you won't trust anything anyway so no method will please you. Fact is that a computer program removes the human element that so many question when it comes to this league. You can question the results all you like. The fact that we have a process is the important thing. This arguing over a big drum or a computer program is nonsense. They're both accomplishing the same thing but 1 completely removes any human interaction outside of the guy who probably coded it months ago when they came up with the system. You can take all the programmers with you to watch the program spit out the winner but it won't change the results if you don't like them. |
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Post by jimmy on Apr 5, 2017 10:06:43 GMT -4
Good luck in the lottery. Lafreniere would help ease the pain of this season a bit.. I would be pretty happy with Poulin too ... would be disappointing to slip to third. So we have a 43% chance of picking first ... what are our odds of picking 1st or 2nd? Or does it depend on who picks first? |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 5, 2017 10:07:19 GMT -4
I hear Steve UL is also a believer in frozen envelopes. I had to look up that reference ... not a basketball fan at all so sorry I can't comment on that. I'm not suggesting the Q will fix the draft ... I'm saying that moving to a computer generated selection process is not an open and visible process that will do them any good. They open themselves to ridicule if say a team like Rimouski (a Q darling) gets first overall ... 14% chance for them. What is wrong with the simple bingo type drum where we see the balls go in and can count them, and one ball falls out ... nobody reaches in to grab it. Everything is visible and random. I don't understand the rationale that brings them to need to move to a computer generated pick process ... nothing is visible ... a number is generated by some code that somebody wrote and everybody is supposed to just trust that. I don't trust anything done in Quebec ... there is so much corruption in Quebec business that I don't do business there at all. They say that five Governors will be there, from teams not involved in the draft lottery. What the hell are they going to witness ? "Yup ... that's the number that the computer spit out ... it must be right". I agree, by using the computer simulated thing, the Q opens itself up, especially if one of the Quebec longshot(Rimouski or Sherbrooke) wins. Moncton could cry foul and ask to see everything... |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 5, 2017 10:09:00 GMT -4
Good luck in the lottery. Lafreniere would help ease the pain of this season a bit.. I would be pretty happy with Poulin too ... would be disappointing to slip to third. So we have a 43% chance of picking first ... what are our odds of picking 1st or 2nd? Or does it depend on who picks first? Odds of top 2 must be around 75-80% then, right? |
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Post by jimmy on Apr 5, 2017 10:09:53 GMT -4
I had to look up that reference ... not a basketball fan at all so sorry I can't comment on that. I'm not suggesting the Q will fix the draft ... I'm saying that moving to a computer generated selection process is not an open and visible process that will do them any good. They open themselves to ridicule if say a team like Rimouski (a Q darling) gets first overall ... 14% chance for them. What is wrong with the simple bingo type drum where we see the balls go in and can count them, and one ball falls out ... nobody reaches in to grab it. Everything is visible and random. I don't understand the rationale that brings them to need to move to a computer generated pick process ... nothing is visible ... a number is generated by some code that somebody wrote and everybody is supposed to just trust that. I don't trust anything done in Quebec ... there is so much corruption in Quebec business that I don't do business there at all. They say that five Governors will be there, from teams not involved in the draft lottery. What the hell are they going to witness ? "Yup ... that's the number that the computer spit out ... it must be right". You claim you won't trust anything anyway so no method will please you. Fact is that a computer program removes the human element that so many question when it comes to this league. You can question the results all you like. The fact that we have a process is the important thing. This arguing over a big drum or a computer program is nonsense. They're both accomplishing the same thing but 1 completely removes any human interaction outside of the guy who probably coded it months ago when they came up with the system. You can take all the programmers with you to watch the program spit out the winner but it won't change the results if you don't like them. The drum can be manipulated too ... by making some balls slightly different in size/weight than the others ... Would be cool if they brought in either ALC or Lotto-Quebec as a sponsor and had them conduct the draw. The other thing they could do is bring in one of the major accounting firms to audit the draw - again, make it a sponsorship thing ... they get some visibility, fans and teams get some assurance that everything is being done on the up and up. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 5, 2017 10:12:06 GMT -4
You claim you won't trust anything anyway so no method will please you. Fact is that a computer program removes the human element that so many question when it comes to this league. You can question the results all you like. The fact that we have a process is the important thing. This arguing over a big drum or a computer program is nonsense. They're both accomplishing the same thing but 1 completely removes any human interaction outside of the guy who probably coded it months ago when they came up with the system. You can take all the programmers with you to watch the program spit out the winner but it won't change the results if you don't like them. The drum can be manipulated too ... by making some balls slightly different in size/weight than the others ... Would be cool if they brought in either ALC or Lotto-Quebec as a sponsor and had them conduct the draw. The other thing they could do is bring in one of the major accounting firms to audit the draw - again, make it a sponsorship thing ... they get some visibility, fans and teams get some assurance that everything is being done on the up and up. Moncton would have no issue with Lotto-Quebec pulling a Rimouski ball out of a drum? I like the NHL's number combo system. But see no issue with this computer generated one. |
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Post by jimmy on Apr 5, 2017 10:13:59 GMT -4
I would be pretty happy with Poulin too ... would be disappointing to slip to third. So we have a 43% chance of picking first ... what are our odds of picking 1st or 2nd? Or does it depend on who picks first? Odds of top 2 must be around 75-80% then, right? We have 9 of 21 balls in the drum ... my guess is after the draw for #1, whoever wins, all of their balls are removed, and they draw again for #2. So, say the Cats don't come out first ... if the winner was a real longshot who only had one ball in the drum, Wildcats would then have 9 of 20 balls in the draw for #2 - but if the 2nd worst team won the draw for #1, they would have had six balls in the drum - all of which would be removed, meaning the Cats would then have 9 of 15 remaining balls in the drum in the draw for #2 ... Can anyone confirm if this is how it works? |
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