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Post by WhiteTyAffair on Sept 7, 2017 13:50:39 GMT -4
I've been told that we should expect an announcement that a parking garage will be built within the next year or so. Where is this parking garage being built? |
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Post by SteveUL on Sept 7, 2017 13:53:42 GMT -4
A parking garage is the worst place to park for a hockey game. Everybody leaves at once and it takes up to 45 mins to get out of the garage depending on what level you are on. I agree on that, big time pain in the A$$. That's one thing I dislike about games in Halifax. Only fix could be for everybody to pay up front, then drive out. Then you'd have long lines coming in waiting for everybody to pay. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 7, 2017 13:59:53 GMT -4
I agree on that, big time pain in the A$$. That's one thing I dislike about games in Halifax. Only fix could be for everybody to pay up front, then drive out. Then you'd have long lines coming in waiting for everybody to pay. Not necessarily, people don't all arrive to a game at the same time. Some are last minute while others arrive 45 minutes before. No doubt there would still be lineups, but not as bad. |
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Post by lirette on Sept 7, 2017 14:44:39 GMT -4
I've been told that we should expect an announcement that a parking garage will be built within the next year or so. Where is this parking garage being built? The old Co-op location could be a possibility. The site has been suddenly active this week with machinery on site. |
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Post by npsh on Sept 7, 2017 16:19:46 GMT -4
I think year 1 a lot of people with go even with shitty parking situation, but after that parking could impact attendance if it becomes an ongoing problem. I suspect they may see a bit of a shift in the fan base ... being downtown will appeal to younger adults with disposable income who don't mind walking a bit and are up for an evening out where the game is just one portion ... but won't appeal so much to those who are older or otherwise limited in walking around, or to those who are more price conscious. I stand to be corrected but the STH base is of the older generation(which both of us are)rather than the younger generation with disposable income so it may be conceivable the CATs organization will want to keep the STH base static, which I understand it has been over the past few years. How that will be done hard to say, perhaps price/preferred parking may be enticements. Having said that I pay $840.00 tax in for both our seats and honestly despite it all, that is good value for the product. Other STH folks may see it different if costs are increased even by a small fraction. This time next year we will know. |
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Post by Beaver Banker on Sept 7, 2017 18:24:42 GMT -4
A parking garage is the worst place to park for a hockey game. Everybody leaves at once and it takes up to 45 mins to get out of the garage depending on what level you are on. I agree on that, big time pain in the A$$. That's one thing I dislike about games in Halifax. Only fix could be for everybody to pay up front, then drive out. Parking at Scotia Square in Halifax is prepaid on entry. It's still a clusterfuck to get out after the game. |
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Post by ronmac on Sept 7, 2017 18:52:57 GMT -4
I suspect they may see a bit of a shift in the fan base ... being downtown will appeal to younger adults with disposable income who don't mind walking a bit and are up for an evening out where the game is just one portion ... but won't appeal so much to those who are older or otherwise limited in walking around, or to those who are more price conscious. I stand to be corrected but the STH base is of the older generation(which both of us are)rather than the younger generation with disposable income so it may be conceivable the CATs organization will want to keep the STH base static, which I understand it has been over the past few years. How that will be done hard to say, perhaps price/preferred parking may be enticements. Having said that I pay $840.00 tax in for both our seats and honestly despite it all, that is good value for the product. Other STH folks may see it different if costs are increased even by a small fraction. This time next year we will know. I think the Cats are looking for a younger crowd, we have been STH for the past 21 years, and with the way management has been drafting and trading, it is time to find something to spent my money on, and with the team moving down town, I am not interested in walking 15 minutes each way, when it is minus 15 or 20, I wish the kids good luck I hope you have a great season. X Wilcat Fan |
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Post by npsh on Sept 7, 2017 22:26:16 GMT -4
I stand to be corrected but the STH base is of the older generation(which both of us are)rather than the younger generation with disposable income so it may be conceivable the CATs organization will want to keep the STH base static, which I understand it has been over the past few years. How that will be done hard to say, perhaps price/preferred parking may be enticements. Having said that I pay $840.00 tax in for both our seats and honestly despite it all, that is good value for the product. Other STH folks may see it different if costs are increased even by a small fraction. This time next year we will know. I think the Cats are looking for a younger crowd, we have been STH for the past 21 years, and with the way management has been drafting and trading, it is time to find something to spent my money on, and with the team moving down town, I am not interested in walking 15 minutes each way, when it is minus 15 or 20, I wish the kids good luck I hope you have a great season. X Wilcat Fan Interesting dynamic for sure on STH vs pricing vs parking vs walking vs the product itself and I am sure others may feel the same way as you. As for myself as STH for the new facility I think it will be that flex package(if still available) rather than full commitment. I would want to see how it is all going to work. As mentioned the product is a good value for what we currently pay as I see it but there will come a time when I will tire of watching 16-19 yr old kids playing hockey. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 22:28:08 GMT -4
I stand to be corrected but the STH base is of the older generation(which both of us are)rather than the younger generation with disposable income so it may be conceivable the CATs organization will want to keep the STH base static, which I understand it has been over the past few years. How that will be done hard to say, perhaps price/preferred parking may be enticements. Having said that I pay $840.00 tax in for both our seats and honestly despite it all, that is good value for the product. Other STH folks may see it different if costs are increased even by a small fraction. This time next year we will know. I think the Cats are looking for a younger crowd, we have been STH for the past 21 years, and with the way management has been drafting and trading, it is time to find something to spent my money on, and with the team moving down town, I am not interested in walking 15 minutes each way, when it is minus 15 or 20, I wish the kids good luck I hope you have a great season. X Wilcat Fan Wow change must be really scary for you when you get old. A15 minute walk ruins your night? Lol...and do you know how far away you have to park to make it a 15 minute walk? |
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Post by ronmac on Sept 8, 2017 5:19:27 GMT -4
I think the Cats are looking for a younger crowd, we have been STH for the past 21 years, and with the way management has been drafting and trading, it is time to find something to spent my money on, and with the team moving down town, I am not interested in walking 15 minutes each way, when it is minus 15 or 20, I wish the kids good luck I hope you have a great season. X Wilcat Fan Wow change must be really scary for you when you get old. A15 minute walk ruins your night? Lol...and do you know how far away you have to park to make it a 15 minute walk? Nothing scary about a 15 minute walk or about getting older, but when you had cancer and due to the Chemo treatments and you lost 40% of your legs walking 15 minutes can become a challenge, I don't really care for the new location, personal opinion, so I chose not to go. |
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Post by SteveUL on Sept 8, 2017 8:34:19 GMT -4
Wow change must be really scary for you when you get old. A15 minute walk ruins your night? Lol...and do you know how far away you have to park to make it a 15 minute walk? Nothing scary about a 15 minute walk or about getting older, but when you had cancer and due to the Chemo treatments and you lost 40% of your legs walking 15 minutes can become a challenge, I don't really care for the new location, personal opinion, so I chose not to go. You may qualify for "handicapped parking" (if that is the current politically correct term) and be able to park on the property of the facility. You should check into that. |
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Post by SteveUL on Sept 8, 2017 9:40:58 GMT -4
A parking garage is the worst place to park for a hockey game. Everybody leaves at once and it takes up to 45 mins to get out of the garage depending on what level you are on. I agree on that, big time pain in the A$$. That's one thing I dislike about games in Halifax. Only fix could be for everybody to pay up front, then drive out. It still becomes a real battle to get out with everybody trying to leave at the same time. Most people have to back out of their parking space. If you are on the upper levels, every vehicle that backs out adds delay to your departure once you are in your vehicle. It is just a lousy place to park for an event. |
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Post by lirette on Sept 8, 2017 10:44:03 GMT -4
I agree on that, big time pain in the A$$. That's one thing I dislike about games in Halifax. Only fix could be for everybody to pay up front, then drive out. It still becomes a real battle to get out with everybody trying to leave at the same time. Most people have to back out of their parking space. If you are on the upper levels, every vehicle that backs out adds delay to your departure once you are in your vehicle. It is just a lousy place to park for an event. This is the mindset the city wants people to have though. The entire idea behind a downtown rink is people are spending money before & after the game. Creating more jobs, creating more demand for pubs & restaurants and retail development If people don't want to wait in a parking lot or garage to get out they will go to the rink earlier to get a prime spot to exit but they will grab a bite before, or they will grab a drink at a pub & wait for the crowd to disperse. This isn't something I expect to change overnight by any means, its a complete mindshift for a city that is very used to convenience and parking available at the door of everywhere. It will take some time. This will also encourage development of condos/apartments located downtown as it becomes the place to be for the younger generation. A vibrant downtown is an absolute necessity for a growing city. This is a huge first step towards that but there is a lot of work to be done. |
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Post by juliansteed on Sept 8, 2017 10:54:17 GMT -4
It still becomes a real battle to get out with everybody trying to leave at the same time. Most people have to back out of their parking space. If you are on the upper levels, every vehicle that backs out adds delay to your departure once you are in your vehicle. It is just a lousy place to park for an event. This is the mindset the city wants people to have though. The entire idea behind a downtown rink is people are spending money before & after the game. Creating more jobs, creating more demand for pubs & restaurants and retail development If people don't want to wait in a parking lot or garage to get out they will go to the rink earlier to get a prime spot to exit but they will grab a bite before, or they will grab a drink at a pub & wait for the crowd to disperse. This isn't something I expect to change overnight by any means, its a complete mindshift for a city that is very used to convenience and parking available at the door of everywhere. It will take some time. This will also encourage development of condos/apartments located downtown as it becomes the place to be for the younger generation. A vibrant downtown is an absolute necessity for a growing city. This is a huge first step towards that but there is a lot of work to be done. I personally hate parking in parking garages for the reasons mentioned by others. I never park in one of the ones in Saint John, but I think your point is valid. Some will go early or stay late and grab a bite to eat or a drink to avoid arriving or leaving at the same time as everyone else. Also I'm not sure how big this parking garage is supposed to be but at least it will reduce the post-game traffic to some extent on the downtown streets if a significant portion of the cars leaving the game are backed up in the parking garage. Depending on what route one is taking, it could be 6 of 1 or half a dozen of the other if they are stuck in a parking garage or the downtown streets, but for anyone else driving in downtown Moncton at that time (whether they are coming from the game or not) that could be considered a positive. |
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Post by lirette on Sept 8, 2017 12:19:45 GMT -4
This is the mindset the city wants people to have though. The entire idea behind a downtown rink is people are spending money before & after the game. Creating more jobs, creating more demand for pubs & restaurants and retail development If people don't want to wait in a parking lot or garage to get out they will go to the rink earlier to get a prime spot to exit but they will grab a bite before, or they will grab a drink at a pub & wait for the crowd to disperse. This isn't something I expect to change overnight by any means, its a complete mindshift for a city that is very used to convenience and parking available at the door of everywhere. It will take some time. This will also encourage development of condos/apartments located downtown as it becomes the place to be for the younger generation. A vibrant downtown is an absolute necessity for a growing city. This is a huge first step towards that but there is a lot of work to be done. I personally hate parking in parking garages for the reasons mentioned by others. I never park in one of the ones in Saint John, but I think your point is valid. Some will go early or stay late and grab a bite to eat or a drink to avoid arriving or leaving at the same time as everyone else. Also I'm not sure how big this parking garage is supposed to be but at least it will reduce the post-game traffic to some extent on the downtown streets if a significant portion of the cars leaving the game are backed up in the parking garage. Depending on what route one is taking, it could be 6 of 1 or half a dozen of the other if they are stuck in a parking garage or the downtown streets, but for anyone else driving in downtown Moncton at that time (whether they are coming from the game or not) that could be considered a positive. A parking garage is also far better in terms of property tax compared to a large area of surface parking. Downtown Moncton has a ridiculous amount of surface parking that is taking up precious space for other developments that could create much higher tax revenue. Surface parking is a big waste of potential. The problem is they are so expensive to build, I've seen a number somewhere that it costs roughly 25000 per parking space to build a garage, so a private investor would likely stay away from this type of thing. The city has to look at it in terms of an investment, spend the money now to create other developments on the existing surface parking we have to densify the core. The garage will likely come..but we have nothing official to on at the moment in terms of size or cost. Only speculation at the moment. Its entirely possible the first year of the building will operate without this extra garage. Like I said though for an average wildcats game the parking that exists now should suffice once people adapt and figure out what works for them. |
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