ronmac
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Post by ronmac on Dec 18, 2017 16:53:32 GMT -4
Not passing judgement on the quality of FAs but there is also Blackmore who was added last year. I am sure Roger did not get that memo. |
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Post by ronmac on Dec 18, 2017 16:54:54 GMT -4
Well I think Shannon and his scouting staff did pretty good year in adding FA talent. We still have Dunda, Seitz, Pataki, Kuzmin and Tucker ... with the first 3 being regular contributors ... and the last two being a work in progress. I think Auger can be a good Q player but our team is in a flux right now ... and the same with Colton Mckenna ... but who do you sit to get them the playing time they need. We had too many Dmen with Miromanov coming in and now Sylvestre. Tucker probably has more potential at 17 (Big and an NHL bloodline) and needs to play so Auger has to go. I think he is a pretty good 18 YO Dman that can still play in the Q. And that's fine to plug holes. But you don't build a team with FA. Your best players should come from the draft. I am sure Roger did not get that memo |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 18, 2017 17:40:56 GMT -4
Sylvestre trade is posted on the Wildcats website. Quebec’s 2018 1st rounder, Bathurst’s 2018 2nd rounder and Mathieu Boulianne to Shawinigan. Derek Dicaire to B-C. Wildcats get a 2018 8th round pick. Moncton gets a 4th round pick from Bathurst as Miromanov didn’t report to start the season. Bathurst gets a 6th round from Moncton. Kyle Auger, Riley MacRae and Colton McKenna have been released. I believe the 4th is because Murphy reported to Bathurst. They would have gotten another 4th if Miromanov didn't come. Shanno0n was hyping Auger as a 2 1/2 year player, he only lasted 2 1/2 months! |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 18, 2017 17:43:19 GMT -4
Halifax won the memorial cup 2 years after finishing with 45 pts so I dont see how its that big of a deal. Not that I'm saying this Cats roster is anywhere near that moose roster but you can turn a roster around in 2 years with the right things falling into place. I don't see the moose roster being that far ahead of the Cats especially if Zadina doesnt come back. Cats have a very solid group of forwards that shouldnt need a whole lot added to it. The ceiling is high for this group with Khovanov/Pelletier/MacDonald and the 4 18 year old FW. If they focus all their assets on adding 2 top defenseman they will have a very good team.. Halifax is the favourite to get the bid but I don't see it being due to roster. I do see roster being an advantage for Halifax. They will award the tournament in April, and so we can't wait until the next draft to get better ... it has to be now. So whatever team you see at the end of this trading period is what we will be evaluated on ... as will Halifax. Giving a team the host of the Memorial cup, they can't be looking very hard for powerhouse teams. Moncton got it and they had to acquire half their team, same for Shawinigan, plus Quebec when they hosted were barely above mid pack if I recall correctly. Plus, adding a guy like Sylvestre won't even move the needle in terms of being a top team hosting. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 18, 2017 17:47:14 GMT -4
As we’ve seen now. Almost all those Free Agents have now been cut. Last month they said they were excited about Auger as a a Wildcat for the next 2-3 years and he’s already gone. The FA system is about hoping 1 of the 10 turnout. Seitz was a good find but no point in management and media trying to convince us every FA is going to have an impact Well I think Shannon and his scouting staff did pretty good year in adding FA talent. We still have Dunda, Seitz, Pataki, Kuzmin and Tucker ... with the first 3 being regular contributors ... and the last two being a work in progress. I think Auger can be a good Q player but our team is in a flux right now ... and the same with Colton Mckenna ... but who do you sit to get them the playing time they need. We had too many Dmen with Miromanov coming in and now Sylvestre. Tucker probably has more potential at 17 (Big and an NHL bloodline) and needs to play so Auger has to go. I think he is a pretty good 18 YO Dman that can still play in the Q. I don't think the regular scouting staff had a lot to do with it, they hired Darrell Young in June with the sole purpose to add free agents from out of market, I'm assuming he got them most of the guys they signed. At this point I would trade Welsh and play a guy like Auger unless they plan on bringing back a guy like Musico who looked good in camp...Getting a boatlad for welsh would at least lessen the blow of the terrible Sylvestre deal. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 18, 2017 17:49:33 GMT -4
Well I think Shannon and his scouting staff did pretty good year in adding FA talent. We still have Dunda, Seitz, Pataki, Kuzmin and Tucker ... with the first 3 being regular contributors ... and the last two being a work in progress. I think Auger can be a good Q player but our team is in a flux right now ... and the same with Colton Mckenna ... but who do you sit to get them the playing time they need. We had too many Dmen with Miromanov coming in and now Sylvestre. Tucker probably has more potential at 17 (Big and an NHL bloodline) and needs to play so Auger has to go. I think he is a pretty good 18 YO Dman that can still play in the Q. And that's fine to plug holes. But you don't build a team with FA. Your best players should come from the draft. that's why I was hoping that... A-they would keep their 3 1st rounders and 2 2nd rounder and draft young players B-keep making deals to add picks and prospects this year C-aim to be mid pack next year D-contend in 19-20 with a very strong team but also one with a lot of assets so after "loading up" the rebuild can then be pretty quick |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 18, 2017 17:53:06 GMT -4
Not passing judgement on the quality of FAs but there is also Blackmore who was added last year. Blackmore might be a decent player, he was one the current group signed, not with last summer's crop from Young. The concern with Blackmore is he looks like he took a step back from last year, he looked good when called up, this year's he's struggled to come close to last year's(5 points in 8 games) production, currently at 9 points in 28 games. 2nd half will be key for him, he'll be coming to camp at 19 competing with younger players next August... |
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Post by WhiteTyAffair on Dec 18, 2017 18:02:07 GMT -4
Sylvestre trade is posted on the Wildcats website. Quebec’s 2018 1st rounder, Bathurst’s 2018 2nd rounder and Mathieu Boulianne to Shawinigan. Derek Dicaire to B-C. Wildcats get a 2018 8th round pick. Moncton gets a 4th round pick from Bathurst as Miromanov didn’t report to start the season. Bathurst gets a 6th round from Moncton. Kyle Auger, Riley MacRae and Colton McKenna have been released. I believe the 4th is because Murphy reported to Bathurst. They would have gotten another 4th if Miromanov didn't come. Shanno0n was hyping Auger as a 2 1/2 year player, he only lasted 2 1/2 months! I’m not defending Roger, but he said Auger “could be a 3 year player”. He made no guarantees he would be around for that length of time. He’s got family in Sydney. We might see a deal sending Auger to CB. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 18, 2017 18:49:21 GMT -4
I believe the 4th is because Murphy reported to Bathurst. They would have gotten another 4th if Miromanov didn't come. Shanno0n was hyping Auger as a 2 1/2 year player, he only lasted 2 1/2 months! I’m not defending Roger, but he said Auger “could be a 3 year player”. He made no guarantees he would be around for that length of time. He’s got family in Sydney. We might see a deal sending Auger to CB. I'm not saying there was a guarantee, but he loves hyperbole. Too much bullshit in the papers, now he is a punchline. Most fans at the game want him fired. If he was heading for CB, I doubt they would have released him. |
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Post by catzfans on Dec 18, 2017 23:40:22 GMT -4
Shannon is a complete idiot, worst GM the Cats have ever had and the worst in the CHL IMHO, continues to get hosed in deals where we acquire or ship out players. All that said this still has RKI's finger prints all over it, as I was told this summer by a former Cats coach, RKI thinks it is easy to rebuild with FA and picks don't mean much, he has this go for it dumb ass mentality all the time, this is not the corporate world Robert. They will continue to lose fans at this rate, they refuse to do a proper rebuild and I have had it. I hope they lose the memorial cup bid and have egg on their face with an near empty new building to watch his middle of the pack team year after year. As we’ve seen now. Almost all those Free Agents have now been cut. Last month they said they were excited about Auger as a a Wildcat for the next 2-3 years and he’s already gone. The FA system is about hoping 1 of the 10 turnout. Seitz was a good find but no point in management and media trying to convince us every FA is going to have an impact I’m not saying they failed with FA group because they did extremely well landing some of the FA’s. But regardless we are still still 3 championship years away. Build around Pelletier Bellamy and Khovanov |
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Post by wild1 on Dec 19, 2017 7:33:41 GMT -4
And that's fine to plug holes. But you don't build a team with FA. Your best players should come from the draft. that's why I was hoping that... A-they would keep their 3 1st rounders and 2 2nd rounder and draft young players B-keep making deals to add picks and prospects this year C-aim to be mid pack next year D-contend in 19-20 with a very strong team but also one with a lot of assets so after "loading up" the rebuild can then be pretty quick I agree with your plan and it just makes too much sense, something Shannon and Irving don't have. The only way this can happen is for RKI to sell the team to an owner that would hire a great GM and let him run the show without meddling. |
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Post by SteveUL on Dec 19, 2017 9:20:53 GMT -4
Well I think Shannon and his scouting staff did pretty good year in adding FA talent. We still have Dunda, Seitz, Pataki, Kuzmin and Tucker ... with the first 3 being regular contributors ... and the last two being a work in progress. I think Auger can be a good Q player but our team is in a flux right now ... and the same with Colton Mckenna ... but who do you sit to get them the playing time they need. We had too many Dmen with Miromanov coming in and now Sylvestre. Tucker probably has more potential at 17 (Big and an NHL bloodline) and needs to play so Auger has to go. I think he is a pretty good 18 YO Dman that can still play in the Q. And that's fine to plug holes. But you don't build a team with FA. Your best players should come from the draft. Our best players have come from the draft. I was responding to the comment of the previous poster that "almost all of the FAs (that Shannon brought in) have now been cut" ... which is incorrect. But who cares even if almost all of them were cut. They were brought in to fill out training camp and to deliver a better team than we ended last year with. In almost all cases ... very few FAs actually make the team out of training camp. They are typically good Jr A players that are being given a shot with the hopes that maybe one or two will be a hidden gem or a late bloomer ... just a case of turning over every rock. Well this time Shannon (and his Scouting staff) found a few that have been solid contributors. This team would be far worse without Dunda, Seitz and Pataki. |
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Post by jimmy on Dec 19, 2017 9:23:18 GMT -4
that's why I was hoping that... A-they would keep their 3 1st rounders and 2 2nd rounder and draft young players B-keep making deals to add picks and prospects this year C-aim to be mid pack next year D-contend in 19-20 with a very strong team but also one with a lot of assets so after "loading up" the rebuild can then be pretty quick I agree with your plan and it just makes too much sense, something Shannon and Irving don't have. The only way this can happen is for RKI to sell the team to an owner that would hire a great GM and let him run the show without meddling. Shannon is a lousy GM for the most part ... I don't think it is fair to blame it all on RKI ... does he meddle some and have too many opinions on hockey ops? Perhaps ... but other GMs have managed to work successfully under him in the past - we have been in a rut the last five years or so, but from the early 2000's until our most recent President's Cup win in 2011 we were a pretty much a model franchise when it came to consistency, drafting well, never bottoming out, etc ... I would be careful what you wish for re: RKI selling the team ... overall, I think he is one of the better owners in the Q ... think of possible alternatives ... you could have the well meaning owners who want to keep a team in their community, but have no cash and run things on a shoestring ... or you could have an owner who is in it to make money as their main priority (i.e. the team is an investment) ... or you can have a rich guy who considers it a toy - most of these guys are going to want to meddle to some extent as it is a hobby for them, and they are used to being in control. Give me this type of owner over the other two ... a strong GM would mitigate the meddler owner to a large extent ... |
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Post by SteveUL on Dec 19, 2017 9:26:17 GMT -4
I believe the 4th is because Murphy reported to Bathurst. They would have gotten another 4th if Miromanov didn't come. Shanno0n was hyping Auger as a 2 1/2 year player, he only lasted 2 1/2 months! I’m not defending Roger, but he said Auger “could be a 3 year player”. He made no guarantees he would be around for that length of time. He’s got family in Sydney. We might see a deal sending Auger to CB. If Auger was released ... that means he was put on waivers so there will be no deal involving us that sends Auger to Sydney. |
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Post by jimmy on Dec 19, 2017 9:27:51 GMT -4
And that's fine to plug holes. But you don't build a team with FA. Your best players should come from the draft. Our best players have come from the draft. I was responding to the comment of the previous poster that "almost all of the FAs (that Shannon brought in) have now been cut" ... which is incorrect. But who cares even if almost all of them were cut. They were brought in to fill out training camp and to deliver a better team than we ended last year with. In almost all cases ... very few FAs actually make the team out of training camp. They are typically good Jr A players that are being given a shot with the hopes that maybe one or two will be a hidden gem or a late bloomer ... just a case of turning over every rock. Well this time Shannon (and his Scouting staff) found a few that have been solid contributors. This team would be far worse without Dunda, Seitz and Pataki. There is absolutely nothing wrong with batting .200 on FAs - if by bringing ten guys you end up with two solid contributors, with the other eight playing small roles or ultimately being cut, what is the harm? You never know in advance which ones will click, and which won't work out. I never understand why some people get so upset at this - is it because Hodge and the GM hype them up a bit in the paper when they first arrive? What are they supposed to say about their new acquisition - "This guy is a shitty skater who comes with a rep of having a bad attitude, but we are going to roll the dice anyway"? Of course they are going to say something along the lines of "Johnny has great hands and got caught in a numbers game, we think he could potentially become a scorer for us for the next couple of years" ... |
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