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Post by WildcatMapleLeafs on Dec 17, 2017 16:38:51 GMT -4
I think the pressure of the Cats bidding on the memorial cup is inflating the prices in favor of the competition. Shannon needs to have a presentable roster on the table for when April rolls around. I figure that's why he is making these overpayment trades. He can't wait until the offseason and pay a similar price to what he did with Welsh last offseason (3rd & 6th). So the idea isn't to compete this year with Sylvestre, its to present a roster to the Memorial Cup committee. Still doesn't explain why he's overpaid the last few seasons for players no longer on the roster. |
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Post by WhiteTyAffair on Dec 17, 2017 17:41:00 GMT -4
While I agree the price for Sylvestre is steep, I took some time to look further into this trade. Here's what I came up with.
1) It's possible Roger Shannon and Ritchie Thibeau see him as the best 19 year old defenseman available who is guaranteed to be back next season as a 20 year old. He wears the C in Shawinigan. A captain will always increase trade value. He is bringing leadership and playoff experience.
There's only 4 guys on the current roster with QMJHL playoff experience: Tessier (7 games), Miromanov (16 games), Mark Grametbauer (14 games) and Nic Welsh (38 games). The latter may be dealt before the trade period ends.
2) If one of this year's contenders who will be in the running next season as well (IE: Drummondville, Halifax) would've traded for Sylvestre, do you think they would trade him to Moncton for next December? No.
My two cents.
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Post by WildcatMapleLeafs on Dec 17, 2017 17:54:02 GMT -4
Is there another piece in this trade ?
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Post by joehockey on Dec 17, 2017 17:55:59 GMT -4
Is there another piece in this trade ? What else does Shawingan have that would interest Moncton? |
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Post by WildcatMapleLeafs on Dec 17, 2017 17:57:44 GMT -4
Is there another piece in this trade ? What else does Shawingan have that would interest Moncton? That's what I was trying to figure out but it's been mentioned there may be another piece to this trade. I'm sure Simon Benoit would be of interest and maybe Asselin but can't see us adding a forward. Girard's rights could be a long shot. My guess is a pick headed back our way. |
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Post by WhiteTyAffair on Dec 17, 2017 18:12:15 GMT -4
What else does Shawingan have that would interest Moncton? That's what I was trying to figure out but it's been mentioned there may be another piece to this trade. I'm sure Simon Benoit would be of interest and maybe Asselin but can't see us adding a forward. Girard's rights could be a long shot. My guess is a pick headed back our way. Girard's rights. Jeremie Bucheler's rights. Jayson Dobay's rights. (although I'm unsure if he's on their protected list) |
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Post by Shannon's burner account on Dec 17, 2017 19:05:30 GMT -4
While I agree the price for Sylvestre is steep, I took some time to look further into this trade. Here's what I came up with. 1) It's possible Roger Shannon and Ritchie Thibeau see him as the best 19 year old defenseman available who is guaranteed to be back next season as a 20 year old. He wears the C in Shawinigan. A captain will always increase trade value. He is bringing leadership and playoff experience. There's only 4 guys on the current roster with QMJHL playoff experience: Tessier (7 games), Miromanov (16 games), Mark Grametbauer (14 games) and Nic Welsh (38 games). The latter may be dealt before the trade period ends. 2) If one of this year's contenders who will be in the running next season as well (IE: Drummondville, Halifax) would've traded for Sylvestre, do you think they would trade him to Moncton for next December? No. My two cents. There are no guaranties. There better be some conditions built into this trade in case he doesn't come back next year |
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Post by Doug Glatt on Dec 17, 2017 19:41:40 GMT -4
I think the pressure of the Cats bidding on the memorial cup is inflating the prices in favor of the competition. Shannon needs to have a presentable roster on the table for when April rolls around. I figure that's why he is making these overpayment trades. He can't wait until the offseason and pay a similar price to what he did with Welsh last offseason (3rd & 6th). So the idea isn't to compete this year with Sylvestre, its to present a roster to the Memorial Cup committee. Still doesn't explain why he's overpaid the last few seasons for players no longer on the roster. |
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Post by Doug Glatt on Dec 17, 2017 19:47:10 GMT -4
I think he has definitely overpaid in most trades he's made in his tenure as the Wildcats Gm. But this particular trade seems like the need to prepare for next year...now. The last time Moncton hosted the Memorial Cup, the season prior they overpaid for Nathan Welton...big time.Going to Quebec that trade period was Guillaume Veilleux and Sébastien Bernier, as well as their 1st and 4th round, picks.
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Post by ronmac on Dec 17, 2017 19:51:11 GMT -4
It’s called the Shannon philosophy, leaves everyone wondering!
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 17, 2017 20:47:58 GMT -4
Maybe that’s why the price was so high. It’s possible Moncton is acquiring Girard’s rights. I’ve read reports of another piece that is part of the Sylvestre trade. Could be that. Girard is fantastic but adding him to the trade wouldn't make much sense for the Wildcats. He's definitely playing pro next year Exactly, he could come back this year, but definitely not at 20. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 17, 2017 20:52:53 GMT -4
While I agree the price for Sylvestre is steep, I took some time to look further into this trade. Here's what I came up with. 1) It's possible Roger Shannon and Ritchie Thibeau see him as the best 19 year old defenseman available who is guaranteed to be back next season as a 20 year old. He wears the C in Shawinigan. A captain will always increase trade value. He is bringing leadership and playoff experience. There's only 4 guys on the current roster with QMJHL playoff experience: Tessier (7 games), Miromanov (16 games), Mark Grametbauer (14 games) and Nic Welsh (38 games). The latter may be dealt before the trade period ends. 2) If one of this year's contenders who will be in the running next season as well (IE: Drummondville, Halifax) would've traded for Sylvestre, do you think they would trade him to Moncton for next December? No. My two cents. Still not an excuse to make a horrible trade. Find a creative way to make a deal and get an OA d-man(or 19 year old) coming back in June. Adding Sylvestre doesn't transform the WC roster, so it has no real impact on them getting the Memorial Cup or not. |
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Post by WhiteTyAffair on Dec 17, 2017 21:07:45 GMT -4
While I agree the price for Sylvestre is steep, I took some time to look further into this trade. Here's what I came up with. 1) It's possible Roger Shannon and Ritchie Thibeau see him as the best 19 year old defenseman available who is guaranteed to be back next season as a 20 year old. He wears the C in Shawinigan. A captain will always increase trade value. He is bringing leadership and playoff experience. There's only 4 guys on the current roster with QMJHL playoff experience: Tessier (7 games), Miromanov (16 games), Mark Grametbauer (14 games) and Nic Welsh (38 games). The latter may be dealt before the trade period ends. 2) If one of this year's contenders who will be in the running next season as well (IE: Drummondville, Halifax) would've traded for Sylvestre, do you think they would trade him to Moncton for next December? No. My two cents. Still not an excuse to make a horrible trade. Find a creative way to make a deal and get an OA d-man(or 19 year old) coming back in June. Adding Sylvestre doesn't transform the WC roster, so it has no real impact on them getting the Memorial Cup or not. Trading period isn't over yet. Heck, it hasn't even started. Maybe there is a deal in place to bring in another defenseman at the draft. That's to be determined. I didn't make any mention of Gabriel Sylvestre transforming this team nor did I say the trade would impact Moncton landing the Memorial Cup, so I'm not sure where that part of your argument comes from. |
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Post by Shannon's burner account on Dec 17, 2017 22:30:14 GMT -4
With the Cats bidding for the Mem cup, Shannon probably has orders from Irving to have the best team possible for next year.
Looks like they never planned to hold on to all the high picks they got in trades last year, but instead use them to bring in players.
I would guess that they will also be moving Bathurst's 2019 1st at some point(next year's deadline?) to bring in a big star player
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Post by lirette on Dec 17, 2017 22:53:26 GMT -4
With the Cats bidding for the Mem cup, Shannon probably has orders from Irving to have the best team possible for next year. Looks like they never planned to hold on to all the high picks they got in trades last year, but instead use them to bring in players. I would guess that they will also be moving Bathurst's 2019 1st at some point(next year's deadline?) to bring in a big star player I'm certainly not getting too attached to any draft picks at this point based on Shannons history. The nice thing is if they can add the pieces mostly with picks they could potentially have some nice assets leftover the following year to start the rebuild quick, or still have a strong team the following year with Khovanov/Pelletier/Bellamy possibly Cyr/Mckenna/Seitz or Capanelli as overagers. One thing that would be huge would be adding a top 4 defensenan through the euro draft, that can be a tough task though as most euro defenseman take a year to really have an impact. But SJ added Salda whos had a nice year 1, so it can be done. Or they could try for another impact FW which has higher probability. If they did that they could focus all of their assets on adding 2 top pairing defenseman without having to make any trades for forwards or in nets (except maybe a backup) |
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