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Post by WhiteTyAffair on Apr 23, 2018 7:57:21 GMT -4
Fixed. I’ve done the same for pick 5. It’s from Moncton. Wish we had that 5th overall pick ... Same here. I think 99% of Moncton fans would agree. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 23, 2018 8:21:44 GMT -4
Fixed. I’ve done the same for pick 5. It’s from Moncton. Wish we had that 5th overall pick ... Yet another bad Shannon trade...his damage will be felt for 2-3 more years... |
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Post by Citris on Apr 23, 2018 17:00:29 GMT -4
Anderson MacDonald has nearly 60 goals in his 2 year Q career so far, he'll be one of the elite players in this league at 19. I think it's a bit early to call it a bad trade, there will be a good player available at 5 but, Anderson MacDonald he probably won't be.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 24, 2018 8:17:27 GMT -4
Anderson MacDonald has nearly 60 goals in his 2 year Q career so far, he'll be one of the elite players in this league at 19. I think it's a bit early to call it a bad trade, there will be a good player available at 5 but, Anderson MacDonald he probably won't be. The bad part of the trade is that they passed on him and traded back for a bunch of smaller pieces, some of which will never play in the Q...then turned around and traded 3x the price to get him. How can you not like a local kid at 16 and then trade the farm for him at 17...makes no sense at all. Those two things don't add up. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 24, 2018 8:56:55 GMT -4
Anderson MacDonald has nearly 60 goals in his 2 year Q career so far, he'll be one of the elite players in this league at 19. I think it's a bit early to call it a bad trade, there will be a good player available at 5 but, Anderson MacDonald he probably won't be. The bad part of the trade is that they passed on him and traded back for a bunch of smaller pieces, some of which will never play in the Q...then turned around and traded 3x the price to get him. How can you not like a local kid at 16 and then trade the farm for him at 17...makes no sense at all. Those two things don't add up. You stay on that narrative but you have no idea that they even considered picking him in the draft when they traded down. In this league 1 year is a huge difference in development and opinion from scouts. Technically if you trade down from say pick 8 in round 1 you're passing on a few hundred kids including multiple ranked in the top 10 and are therefore missing out on talent. There are many kids who are worth 3x at 17 then someone would have paid at 16 to draft them. It's what you build around them during their careers that determines whether it's worth it or not....not the price paid. Especially in a league where teams pay similar prices for just a few months of veteran 19yr olds. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 24, 2018 9:01:04 GMT -4
The bad part of the trade is that they passed on him and traded back for a bunch of smaller pieces, some of which will never play in the Q...then turned around and traded 3x the price to get him. How can you not like a local kid at 16 and then trade the farm for him at 17...makes no sense at all. Those two things don't add up. You stay on that narrative but you have no idea that they even considered picking him in the draft when they traded down. In this league 1 year is a huge difference in development and opinion from scouts. Technically if you trade down from say pick 8 in round 1 you're passing on a few hundred kids including multiple ranked in the top 10 and are therefore missing out on talent. There are many kids who are worth 3x at 17 then someone would have paid at 16 to draft them. It's what you build around them during their careers that determines whether it's worth it or not....not the price paid. Especially in a league where teams pay similar prices for just a few months of veteran 19yr olds. There is no narrative, just facts. No matter how you slice it, the MacDonald situation is horrible asset management. The fact that he finished on the 4th line at playoff time won't help... |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 24, 2018 9:04:12 GMT -4
You stay on that narrative but you have no idea that they even considered picking him in the draft when they traded down. In this league 1 year is a huge difference in development and opinion from scouts. Technically if you trade down from say pick 8 in round 1 you're passing on a few hundred kids including multiple ranked in the top 10 and are therefore missing out on talent. There are many kids who are worth 3x at 17 then someone would have paid at 16 to draft them. It's what you build around them during their careers that determines whether it's worth it or not....not the price paid. Especially in a league where teams pay similar prices for just a few months of veteran 19yr olds. There is no narrative, just facts. No matter how you slice it, the MacDonald situation is horrible asset management. The fact that he finished on the 4th line at playoff time won't help... It will if he scores 45-50 and wins a championship at 19 though. Who judges Q trades for 17yr olds after their 17yr old season? |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 24, 2018 9:08:56 GMT -4
There is no narrative, just facts. No matter how you slice it, the MacDonald situation is horrible asset management. The fact that he finished on the 4th line at playoff time won't help... It will if he scores 45-50 and wins a championship at 19 though. Who judges Q trades for 17yr olds after their 17yr old season? If they thought he could score 45-50 at 19, then why trade back 4 times to the point where your 1st pick is Noah Freaking Massie? Idiotic GM work. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 24, 2018 9:11:59 GMT -4
It will if he scores 45-50 and wins a championship at 19 though. Who judges Q trades for 17yr olds after their 17yr old season? If they thought he could score 45-50 at 19, then why trade back 4 times to the point where your 1st pick is Noah Freaking Massie? Idiotic GM work. Because you're completely ignoring that at 15 they didn't know what he was going to do at 16 and like many teams likely thought more of him after a season in the Q....which is something that happens after every draft in draft history: teams change opinion and think less and more of players based on how they produce and develop. What scouts are perfect and identify every 50 goal scorer in a draft based only on midget viewings? Some guys look better after playing with older and better players. Rip who they picked after trading down all you like. Rip the price paid for MacDonald. But ignoring that if they win none of it matters is pretty stupid. |
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Post by lirette on Apr 24, 2018 9:19:35 GMT -4
Think we need a statue of limitations on this MacDonald trade/not picking him. This is turning into the new Makarov, seems to show up in every thread . Shannon has been fired and so has the scouting staff. Time to move on
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 24, 2018 9:22:10 GMT -4
Think we need a statue of limitations on this MacDonald trade/not picking him. This is turning into the new Makarov, seems to show up in every thread . Shannon has been fired and so has the scouting staff. Time to move on Part of the issue is the person who keeps bringing it up isn't a fan of any team in the league. He's only concerned with making someone he doesn't like look bad. Even people like myself who hate things my team does can still post as a fan about some things. Billy hasn't made a positive post about anything Moncton Wildcat this decade. He's too busy scouting and being an off ice person with how he comes across with this stuff. MacDonald could have back to back 60 goal seasons and league his team to a championship and Billy's first post about it would mention Shannon and Massie and how it meant they could have acquired someone else for cheaper and avoided a longer rebuild. |
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Post by WhiteTyAffair on Apr 24, 2018 11:10:15 GMT -4
Think we need a statue of limitations on this MacDonald trade/not picking him. This is turning into the new Makarov, seems to show up in every thread . Shannon has been fired and so has the scouting staff. Time to move on Part of the issue is the person who keeps bringing it up isn't a fan of any team in the league. He's only concerned with making someone he doesn't like look bad. Even people like myself who hate things my team does can still post as a fan about some things. Billy hasn't made a positive post about anything Moncton Wildcat this decade. He's too busy scouting and being an off ice person with how he comes across with this stuff. MacDonald could have back to back 60 goal seasons and league his team to a championship and Billy's first post about it would mention Shannon and Massie and how it meant they could have acquired someone else for cheaper and avoided a longer rebuild. Wait until Ritchie Thibeau or the new GM makes their 1st trade. It will automatically be a bad one when it comes to Billy’s opinion. Billy will want their head hung. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 24, 2018 11:13:47 GMT -4
If they thought he could score 45-50 at 19, then why trade back 4 times to the point where your 1st pick is Noah Freaking Massie? Idiotic GM work. Because you're completely ignoring that at 15 they didn't know what he was going to do at 16 and like many teams likely thought more of him after a season in the Q....which is something that happens after every draft in draft history: teams change opinion and think less and more of players based on how they produce and develop. What scouts are perfect and identify every 50 goal scorer in a draft based only on midget viewings? Some guys look better after playing with older and better players. Rip who they picked after trading down all you like. Rip the price paid for MacDonald. But ignoring that if they win none of it matters is pretty stupid. MacDonald is the same player at 17 that he was at 15 and 16, his game or career trajectory has not changed by anything meaningful. Horrible asset management any way you slice it. Sounds like another one of your desperate attempts to disagree with whatever I say. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 24, 2018 11:14:06 GMT -4
Part of the issue is the person who keeps bringing it up isn't a fan of any team in the league. He's only concerned with making someone he doesn't like look bad. Even people like myself who hate things my team does can still post as a fan about some things. Billy hasn't made a positive post about anything Moncton Wildcat this decade. He's too busy scouting and being an off ice person with how he comes across with this stuff. MacDonald could have back to back 60 goal seasons and league his team to a championship and Billy's first post about it would mention Shannon and Massie and how it meant they could have acquired someone else for cheaper and avoided a longer rebuild. Wait until Ritchie Thibeau or the new GM makes their 1st trade. It will automatically be a bad one when it comes to Billy’s opinion. Billy will want their head hung. Why? |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 24, 2018 11:15:37 GMT -4
Think we need a statue of limitations on this MacDonald trade/not picking him. This is turning into the new Makarov, seems to show up in every thread . Shannon has been fired and so has the scouting staff. Time to move on I don't think anybody will move on until the damage is recovered from. Losing the #5 overall pick in the draft is not in the past. |
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