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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 24, 2018 11:19:14 GMT -4
I agree with tufguy, can you tell me any trades in the last 8 - 10 years that Moncton has done well with ? Because every time moncton trades we seem to overpay ! Captain Obvious you are always calling out moncton on stupid trades or bad draft selections but you want moncton to trade some of our best players McKenna and Aspirot and think that we will come out ahead , moncton has a horrible draft and trade record !!! ( I agree with you on moncton’s horrible drafting and trading record ) and we don’t have a GM yet . I think we have a really good team this year ( I know it’s early ) but we are deep up front , our D is mobile ( could use a # 3 or 4 , but who couldn’t ) , goaltending so far has been solid , My only concern is we need a veteran faceoff guy, but trade for them now before the price goes up and don’t trade away the farm and go after a big name like we usually do. Team Chemistry seems stronger this year and that is a major factor come playoff time , as long as moncton is healthy we should go deep in the playoffs ! Go Cats The best trades the cats have made and the easiest ones to "win" in junior are selling during midseason in a MC host year. I'm not suggesting trading those guys for whatever you can get, I'm suggesting deals where you trade a McKenna for a 1st, a good young player PLUS get a top overager back at the draft. Same for Aspirot if he has a big 1st half. Is the point to just have a year where you get to the 2nd round or do you want to win it all? Having to beat Halifax(and others at that level) will require a couple of D and a couple forwards, those will be expensive. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 24, 2018 11:21:55 GMT -4
You can't have it both ways, if you want to contend next year and the year after, you need to make major adds to the core. Standing pat gets you around mid pack the next 2+ years, possibly as high as 6th or 7th overall, but that won't win you a championship. Halifax, St.John and Bathurst have shown how to win championships the last 8-10 years but the Wildcats refuse to follow the formula. McKenna is a top 5 forward in the league next season, trading him makes no sense when you'd have to turn around and use those assets to try and replace him. There won't be anyone like him on the market next season. Go look at the top 20 scorers in the league right now, none of those guys are available for next season. They are either going pro or are on teams like Rimouski/RN/Cap who can contend next season. They won't be able to acquire a star player like McKenna. Aspirot even more so is important because the team defense is the weakest point. If you move him next years defense is Spence/DeJong & ?? Defenseman are expensive to aquire. I'd rather them keep it simple, see if you could potentially find a team that would be willing to flip a defenseman to the cats for a forward (even if its a futures deal). No need to tear down whats already been built. No issue with them moving some of the veterans like Capannelli & Seitz for picks/prospects. The Bathurst pick has huge value barring a ridiculous offer should be kept as Bathurst is likely dismantling most of their team with Dobson gone and Christmas and rumors of others. If McKenna has that big a year he may not even be in the Q at 20 though, that's a big risk. As I said, any deal to move out an OA for next year would have one, or a comparable impact player coming back as futures on top of picks/prospects. You only deal those players if you can get a great return, not just for whatever you can get. |
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Post by riverviewroyal on Oct 24, 2018 12:40:33 GMT -4
McKenna is a top 5 forward in the league next season, trading him makes no sense when you'd have to turn around and use those assets to try and replace him. There won't be anyone like him on the market next season. Go look at the top 20 scorers in the league right now, none of those guys are available for next season. They are either going pro or are on teams like Rimouski/RN/Cap who can contend next season. They won't be able to acquire a star player like McKenna. Aspirot even more so is important because the team defense is the weakest point. If you move him next years defense is Spence/DeJong & ?? Defenseman are expensive to aquire. I'd rather them keep it simple, see if you could potentially find a team that would be willing to flip a defenseman to the cats for a forward (even if its a futures deal). No need to tear down whats already been built. No issue with them moving some of the veterans like Capannelli & Seitz for picks/prospects. The Bathurst pick has huge value barring a ridiculous offer should be kept as Bathurst is likely dismantling most of their team with Dobson gone and Christmas and rumors of others. If McKenna has that big a year he may not even be in the Q at 20 though, that's a big risk. As I said, any deal to move out an OA for next year would have one, or a comparable impact player coming back as futures on top of picks/prospects. You only deal those players if you can get a great return, not just for whatever you can get. Soooo what I take from your rambling is your theory for the Wildcats is to pick a year to make sure you can win it all (On paper) before a season even starts, and if it doesn't pan out or if another team or two looks better then sell almost every major piece that helps you contend and let all the young guys play and simply hope they develop with the current group and coaching staff in an attempt to make a run another year. And do it all over again if it doesn't pan out again? This isn't NHL 19 there, Hotels.com. Figure it out |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Oct 24, 2018 12:56:59 GMT -4
If McKenna has that big a year he may not even be in the Q at 20 though, that's a big risk. As I said, any deal to move out an OA for next year would have one, or a comparable impact player coming back as futures on top of picks/prospects. You only deal those players if you can get a great return, not just for whatever you can get. Soooo what I take from your rambling is your theory for the Wildcats is to pick a year to make sure you can win it all (On paper) before a season even starts, and if it doesn't pan out or if another team or two looks better then sell almost every major piece that helps you contend and let all the young guys play and simply hope they develop with the current group and coaching staff in an attempt to make a run another year. And do it all over again if it doesn't pan out again? This isn't NHL 19 there, Hotels.com. Figure it out So you'd rather ignore how the team is doing or looks like in future years to determine your current path? It might not be NHL 19 but not being great and selling assets because of it in a Mem Cup year especially is how many teams operate at this level. If you're not a top team who thinks they can win it all why wouldn't you be looking at moving expiring assets or really cashing out big on others? You bought last year to try and improve a Mem Cup bid. Now that you know the bid failed, if you're not aiming to win this year, looking at trading down is only common sense. How deep you trade is up for debate, but bringing up NHL 19 just makes you look silly because every Q trade period our real GM's make real life look like the video game. |
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Post by pinkbeaver on Oct 24, 2018 13:27:32 GMT -4
Long time reader. Really tired of Hearing all the negatives from Captain O with all the positive steps this team has made over the past 6 months dating back to a good playoff run.
In my opinion you have to go for it next year. you are going to have what I would project to be one of the top lines in junior hockey next season. Maybe even the best line.
McKenna(20)- Cyr(20)- Pelletier(18)
Khovanov(19)-Desnoyers(17)-MacDonald(19)
top 5 draft pick(19)-Hudson(19)- Trade**(19)
King(19)-(17)Trade**(19) -Kingsbury-Fournier(17)
Spence(18)-Aspirot(20)
Euro(19)*- Trade**(17)
Dejong(19)- Tucker(19)
Lavelle (see how he develops and decide next Christmas)
*I think it makes sense to take a 18 or 19 year old euro defenseman that will potentially get passed over by earlier teams that want to draft younger.
** Wildcats can only keep 3 of Cyr, McKenna, Aspirot, Seitz, Capannelli all of whom will garner some trade value. Any chance McKenna could go pro? he skates well enough.
Also Leclerc and Sylvestre could go at the deadline and you could add picks to flip next season.
There could also be merit in trading the high 2019 1st rounder for a player like Jared McIssac + player?
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Oct 24, 2018 13:32:35 GMT -4
Long time reader. Really tired of Hearing all the negatives from Captain O with all the positive steps this team has made over the past 6 months dating back to a good playoff run. In my opinion you have to go for it next year. you are going to have what I would project to be one of the top lines in junior hockey next season. Maybe even the best line. McKenna(20)- Cyr(20)- Pelletier(18) Khovanov(19)-Desnoyers(17)-MacDonald(19) top 5 draft pick(19)-Hudson(19)- Trade**(19) King(19)-(17)Trade**(19) -Kingsbury-Fournier(17) Spence(18)-Aspirot(20) Euro(19)*- Trade**(17) Dejong(19)- Tucker(19) Lavelle (see how he develops and decide next Christmas) *I think it makes sense to take a 18 or 19 year old euro defenseman that will potentially get passed over by earlier teams that want to draft younger. ** Wildcats can only keep 3 of Cyr, McKenna, Aspirot, Seitz, Capannelli all of whom will garner some trade value. Any chance McKenna could go pro? he skates well enough. Also Leclerc and Sylvestre could go at the deadline and you could add picks to flip next season. There could also be merit in trading the high 2019 1st rounder for a player like Jared McIssac + player? McIsaac would probably cost more than that 1st rounder rather than McIsaac and a player for it. |
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Post by pinkbeaver on Oct 24, 2018 13:36:42 GMT -4
Long time reader. Really tired of Hearing all the negatives from Captain O with all the positive steps this team has made over the past 6 months dating back to a good playoff run. In my opinion you have to go for it next year. you are going to have what I would project to be one of the top lines in junior hockey next season. Maybe even the best line. McKenna(20)- Cyr(20)- Pelletier(18) Khovanov(19)-Desnoyers(17)-MacDonald(19) top 5 draft pick(19)-Hudson(19)- Trade**(19) King(19)-(17)Trade**(19) -Kingsbury-Fournier(17) Spence(18)-Aspirot(20) Euro(19)*- Trade**(17) Dejong(19)- Tucker(19) Lavelle (see how he develops and decide next Christmas) *I think it makes sense to take a 18 or 19 year old euro defenseman that will potentially get passed over by earlier teams that want to draft younger. ** Wildcats can only keep 3 of Cyr, McKenna, Aspirot, Seitz, Capannelli all of whom will garner some trade value. Any chance McKenna could go pro? he skates well enough. Also Leclerc and Sylvestre could go at the deadline and you could add picks to flip next season. There could also be merit in trading the high 2019 1st rounder for a player like Jared McIssac + player? McIsaac would probably cost more than that 1st rounder rather than McIsaac and a player for it. maybe not another play but what if the pick ends up being #1 or 2 overall?
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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 24, 2018 13:44:54 GMT -4
Long time reader. Really tired of Hearing all the negatives from Captain O with all the positive steps this team has made over the past 6 months dating back to a good playoff run. In my opinion you have to go for it next year. you are going to have what I would project to be one of the top lines in junior hockey next season. Maybe even the best line. McKenna(20)- Cyr(20)- Pelletier(18) Khovanov(19)-Desnoyers(17)-MacDonald(19) top 5 draft pick(19)-Hudson(19)- Trade**(19) King(19)-(17)Trade**(19) -Kingsbury-Fournier(17) Spence(18)-Aspirot(20) Euro(19)*- Trade**(17) Dejong(19)- Tucker(19) Lavelle (see how he develops and decide next Christmas) *I think it makes sense to take a 18 or 19 year old euro defenseman that will potentially get passed over by earlier teams that want to draft younger. ** Wildcats can only keep 3 of Cyr, McKenna, Aspirot, Seitz, Capannelli all of whom will garner some trade value. Any chance McKenna could go pro? he skates well enough. Also Leclerc and Sylvestre could go at the deadline and you could add picks to flip next season. There could also be merit in trading the high 2019 1st rounder for a player like Jared McIssac + player? How does wanting my home town team formulate a better plan to try and win a championship equate to being negative? I hate the "half pregnant" approach they have taken the last 6-7 years since the Presidents Cup in 2010. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 24, 2018 13:47:19 GMT -4
If McKenna has that big a year he may not even be in the Q at 20 though, that's a big risk. As I said, any deal to move out an OA for next year would have one, or a comparable impact player coming back as futures on top of picks/prospects. You only deal those players if you can get a great return, not just for whatever you can get. Soooo what I take from your rambling is your theory for the Wildcats is to pick a year to make sure you can win it all (On paper) before a season even starts, and if it doesn't pan out or if another team or two looks better then sell almost every major piece that helps you contend and let all the young guys play and simply hope they develop with the current group and coaching staff in an attempt to make a run another year. And do it all over again if it doesn't pan out again? This isn't NHL 19 there, Hotels.com. Figure it out Bathurst, Halifax and St.John have proven that a 3-4 year cycle does work and they won the Memorial Cup doing it. The Cats used that same game plan to win 2 Presidents Cup...not sure why they suddenly decided that being mid pack every year was better? |
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Oct 24, 2018 13:52:44 GMT -4
McIsaac would probably cost more than that 1st rounder rather than McIsaac and a player for it. maybe not another play but what if the pick ends up being #1 or 2 overall?
McIsaac would likely be the best defenceman in the league (I'm presuming Dobson does not return). He will command a big price. Although it is likely Halifax holds on to him until Christmas anyway. But they could still have a pretty good team returning: Barron, McIsaac, Parent, Groulx, Lavoie, Gravel, Barinka as a core (Trade period could change that of course) |
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Post by Doug Glatt on Oct 24, 2018 14:42:14 GMT -4
I prefer the idea of keeping Bathurst's 1st rather than trading it. Keeping the pick and drafting the player to trade is worth more than trading the pick to trade. How much more was Pelletier worth after being in the league for 3 months than trading a question mark pick. With Pelletier being here for at least 2 more years, I'd personally like to compete for it within his timeline. With a little luck and the right chemistry/tinkering, it could very well produce another championship.
2018-2019
McKenna(19) Cyr(19) Desnoyer(16)
Pelletier(17) Khovanov(18) Hudson(18)
Kingsbury-Fournier(17) Campanelli(19) MacDonald(19)
King(19) Seitz(19) Pataki(20)
Spence(17) Aspirot(19)
Sylvestre(20) LeCoutre(19)
Dejong(19) Tucker(19)
Leclerc(20)
Lavalee(16)
2019-2020
McKenna(20) Cyr(20) Desnoyer(17)
Pelletier(18) Khovanov(19) Hudson(19)
Kingsbury-Fournier(17) top 5 draft pick(16) MacDonald(19)
King(19) Free Agent(19) 2019 Draft pick(16)
Spence(18) Aspirot(20)
Euro(19) Free agent(18)
Dejong(19) Tucker(19)
Lavalee(17)
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