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Post by Murph on Dec 20, 2018 13:26:14 GMT -4
Here are the current top 9 teams in order of standings. Every other team I feel are already in sell mode. You can probably add Chrlottetown to the list of sellers as well. Most are pretty much set in net unless the GM feels D'orio would be an upgrade over the current goalies. Sherbrooke might be a landing place for Alex unless they feel that they want to sell off pieces. Rouyn-Noranda, Huskies Drummondville, Voltigeurs Halifax, Mooseheads Moncton, Wildcats Baie-Comeau, Drakkar Rimouski, Océanic Cape Breton, Screaming Eagles Charlottetown, Islanders Sherbrooke, Phoenix I think Cape Breton makes sense for D’Orio |
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Post by aspookyghost on Dec 20, 2018 13:26:40 GMT -4
Here are the current top 9 teams in order of standings. Every other team I feel are already in sell mode. You can probably add Chrlottetown to the list of sellers as well. Most are pretty much set in net unless the GM feels D'orio would be an upgrade over the current goalies. Sherbrooke might be a landing place for Alex unless they feel that they want to sell off pieces. Rouyn-Noranda, Huskies Drummondville, Voltigeurs Halifax, Mooseheads Moncton, Wildcats Baie-Comeau, Drakkar Rimouski, Océanic Cape Breton, Screaming Eagles Charlottetown, Islanders Sherbrooke, Phoenix Now that we have Denisov I'm hoping we take anything half decent for D'Orio. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 20, 2018 13:28:00 GMT -4
Here are the current top 9 teams in order of standings. Every other team I feel are already in sell mode. You can probably add Chrlottetown to the list of sellers as well. Most are pretty much set in net unless the GM feels D'orio would be an upgrade over the current goalies. Sherbrooke might be a landing place for Alex unless they feel that they want to sell off pieces. Rouyn-Noranda, Huskies Drummondville, Voltigeurs Halifax, Mooseheads Moncton, Wildcats Baie-Comeau, Drakkar Rimouski, Océanic Cape Breton, Screaming Eagles Charlottetown, Islanders Sherbrooke, Phoenix I think Cape Breton makes sense for D’Orio I don't. Would have to pay for another #1 for next season while giving up a drafted 18yr old to do so. Makes no sense to me unless we were getting a good return on Mandolese. |
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Post by Murph on Dec 20, 2018 14:30:00 GMT -4
I think Cape Breton makes sense for D’Orio I don't. Would have to pay for another #1 for next season while giving up a drafted 18yr old to do so. Makes no sense to me unless we were getting a good return on Mandolese. Keep Mandolese. Why are you giving him up? But he’s not been great this year. Definitely your weakest link. But D’Orio gives you a legit #1 for this season and Mandolese for next season. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 20, 2018 14:42:52 GMT -4
I don't. Would have to pay for another #1 for next season while giving up a drafted 18yr old to do so. Makes no sense to me unless we were getting a good return on Mandolese. Keep Mandolese. Why are you giving him up? But he’s not been great this year. Definitely your weakest link. But D’Orio gives you a legit #1 for this season and Mandolese for next season. Seems like overkill to me. Would also send the wrong message to Mandolese. We moved Jessiman to allow him to be a #1. His numbers are where Dumont's goalies numbers always seem to be. Acquiring D'Orio to sit him on the bench would be a mistake to me. No guarantee he'd do any better then any other goalie Dumont's had go through here and on top of it would probably cause a chemistry issue in the room if he came in and had similar issues. It'd be tough to expect Mandolese to carry the load at 19 if you're putting another obstacle in his way now. |
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Post by Murph on Dec 20, 2018 14:48:16 GMT -4
Keep Mandolese. Why are you giving him up? But he’s not been great this year. Definitely your weakest link. But D’Orio gives you a legit #1 for this season and Mandolese for next season. Seems like overkill to me. Would also send the wrong message to Mandolese. We moved Jessiman to allow him to be a #1. His numbers are where Dumont's goalies numbers always seem to be. Acquiring D'Orio to sit him on the bench would be a mistake to me. No guarantee he'd do any better then any other goalie Dumont's had go through here and on top of it would probably cause a chemistry issue in the room if he came in and had similar issues. It'd be tough to expect Mandolese to carry the load at 19 if you're putting another obstacle in his way now. It would be tough to expect him to carry the load next year if he’s getting shelled as an 18 year old on a contender. He’s statistically the 2nd worst starting goaltender in the league. And there’s no guarantee he still won’t be the #1. Having a veteran there to push him may imporove his game. They can split games. See who earns it. Whoever trades for D’Orio will get him at a discount considering he has to be moved. It’s a good value trade. |
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Post by scotiahockey on Dec 20, 2018 14:54:14 GMT -4
Seems like overkill to me. Would also send the wrong message to Mandolese. We moved Jessiman to allow him to be a #1. His numbers are where Dumont's goalies numbers always seem to be. Acquiring D'Orio to sit him on the bench would be a mistake to me. No guarantee he'd do any better then any other goalie Dumont's had go through here and on top of it would probably cause a chemistry issue in the room if he came in and had similar issues. It'd be tough to expect Mandolese to carry the load at 19 if you're putting another obstacle in his way now. It would be tough to expect him to carry the load next year if he’s getting shelled as an 18 year old on a contender. He’s statistically the 2nd worst starting goaltender in the league. And there’s no guarantee he still won’t be the #1. Having a veteran there to push him may imporove his game. They can split games. See who earns it. Whoever trades for D’Orio will get him at a discount considering he has to be moved. It’s a good value trade. Mandolese isn’t the issue in net, if he was on another team, with some real defensive structure, he’d have better numbers. Look at Jessiman’s numbers, he went from an .871 sv% to a .902 sv% this season... the only real difference between him this season and last is the team he plays on. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 20, 2018 14:55:30 GMT -4
Seems like overkill to me. Would also send the wrong message to Mandolese. We moved Jessiman to allow him to be a #1. His numbers are where Dumont's goalies numbers always seem to be. Acquiring D'Orio to sit him on the bench would be a mistake to me. No guarantee he'd do any better then any other goalie Dumont's had go through here and on top of it would probably cause a chemistry issue in the room if he came in and had similar issues. It'd be tough to expect Mandolese to carry the load at 19 if you're putting another obstacle in his way now. It would be tough to expect him to carry the load next year if he’s getting shelled as an 18 year old on a contender. He’s statistically the 2nd worst starting goaltender in the league. And there’s no guarantee he still won’t be the #1. Having a veteran there to push him may imporove his game. They can split games. See who earns it. All Dumont's goalies get shelled whether they're a contender or not. Take a look back at his goaltending stats while he's been in the league. It's shocking how bad they are and that teams continue to employ him as a coach in any capacity. Including our national junior team for some reason. There's no guarantee D'Orio wouldn't come in and have the exact same issue with the same high chance scoring chances from high risk areas as every other Dumont goalie has had. I don't think paying for a 1 year goalie with an .881 save % and 4.64GAA is the answer to our defensive or goaltending problems. If he was 18 and it was a lateral move for Mandolese...I could see it making sense. But I can see it not only improving nothing but also causing a huge rift within the team. |
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Post by JEagle on Dec 20, 2018 15:00:49 GMT -4
Seems like overkill to me. Would also send the wrong message to Mandolese. We moved Jessiman to allow him to be a #1. His numbers are where Dumont's goalies numbers always seem to be. Acquiring D'Orio to sit him on the bench would be a mistake to me. No guarantee he'd do any better then any other goalie Dumont's had go through here and on top of it would probably cause a chemistry issue in the room if he came in and had similar issues. It'd be tough to expect Mandolese to carry the load at 19 if you're putting another obstacle in his way now. It would be tough to expect him to carry the load next year if he’s getting shelled as an 18 year old on a contender. He’s statistically the 2nd worst starting goaltender in the league. And there’s no guarantee he still won’t be the #1. Having a veteran there to push him may imporove his game. They can split games. See who earns it. Whoever trades for D’Orio will get him at a discount considering he has to be moved. It’s a good value trade. Like Scotiahockey has said it's all defensive structure honestly it's asinine to me that people think the Eagles need to trade for a goaltender when if they would just look at Dumont's history as a Head Coach he's never been able to coach a team well defensively largely due to his lack of defensive systems/structure, in his nine full seasons as a Head Coach the highest ranking he's ever coached a team to defensively is seventh(2016-17 season). The other eight years his teams have been. 2017-18: 14th out of 18 2016-17: Tied 7th out of 18 2015-16: 10th out of 18 2014-15: 14th out of 18 2013-14: 17th out of 18 2012-13: 18th* Coached 38 games 2011-12: 12th out of 17 2010-11: 15th out of 18 2009-10: 16th out of 18 At least to me that screams an inability to coach defensive systems/structure then it does bad goaltending. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 20, 2018 15:03:44 GMT -4
It would be tough to expect him to carry the load next year if he’s getting shelled as an 18 year old on a contender. He’s statistically the 2nd worst starting goaltender in the league. And there’s no guarantee he still won’t be the #1. Having a veteran there to push him may imporove his game. They can split games. See who earns it. Whoever trades for D’Orio will get him at a discount considering he has to be moved. It’s a good value trade. Like Scotiahockey has said it's all defensive structure honestly it's asinine to me that people think the Eagles need to trade for a goaltender when if they would just look at Dumont's history as a Head Coach he's never been able to coach a team well defensively largely due to his lack of defensive systems/structure, in his nine full seasons as a Head Coach the highest ranking he's ever coached a team to defensively is seventh(2016-17 season). The other eight years his teams have been. 2017-18: 14th out of 18 2016-17: Tied 7th out of 18 2015-16: 10th out of 18 2014-15: 14th out of 18 2013-14: 17th out of 18 2012-13: 18th* Coached 38 games 2011-12: 12th out of 17 2010-11: 15th out of 18 2009-10: 16th out of 18 At least to me that screams an inability to coach defensive systems/structure then it does bad goaltending. One would think based on the cycles of junior hockey that it would be almost impossible to pull off numbers like that. Let alone continue to earn contract extensions. |
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Post by JEagle on Dec 20, 2018 15:09:11 GMT -4
Like Scotiahockey has said it's all defensive structure honestly it's asinine to me that people think the Eagles need to trade for a goaltender when if they would just look at Dumont's history as a Head Coach he's never been able to coach a team well defensively largely due to his lack of defensive systems/structure, in his nine full seasons as a Head Coach the highest ranking he's ever coached a team to defensively is seventh(2016-17 season). The other eight years his teams have been. 2017-18: 14th out of 18 2016-17: Tied 7th out of 18 2015-16: 10th out of 18 2014-15: 14th out of 18 2013-14: 17th out of 18 2012-13: 18th* Coached 38 games 2011-12: 12th out of 17 2010-11: 15th out of 18 2009-10: 16th out of 18 At least to me that screams an inability to coach defensive systems/structure then it does bad goaltending. One would think based on the cycles of junior hockey that it would be almost impossible to pull off numbers like that. Let alone continue to earn contract extensions. my thoughts as well yet somehow he does. |
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Post by bois on Dec 20, 2018 15:19:15 GMT -4
It would be tough to expect him to carry the load next year if he’s getting shelled as an 18 year old on a contender. He’s statistically the 2nd worst starting goaltender in the league. And there’s no guarantee he still won’t be the #1. Having a veteran there to push him may imporove his game. They can split games. See who earns it. Whoever trades for D’Orio will get him at a discount considering he has to be moved. It’s a good value trade. Mandolese isn’t the issue in net, if he was on another team, with some real defensive structure, he’d have better numbers. Look at Jessiman’s numbers, he went from an .871 sv% to a .902 sv% this season... the only real difference between him this season and last is the team he plays on. and yet the team Jessiman "improved" under determined he wasn't good enough on their contender either |
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Post by scotiahockey on Dec 20, 2018 16:30:40 GMT -4
Mandolese isn’t the issue in net, if he was on another team, with some real defensive structure, he’d have better numbers. Look at Jessiman’s numbers, he went from an .871 sv% to a .902 sv% this season... the only real difference between him this season and last is the team he plays on. and yet the team Jessiman "improved" under determined he wasn't good enough on their contender either I never said you couldn’t improve on Jessiman or Mandolese, just that if you’re going to simply look at their numbers and make a determination that they’re bad based on that, then I think you’re leaving out a big piece of the puzzle in their evaluation. Also IMO Mandolese is a better goalie than Jessiman, if Mandolese was in Baie-Comeau and Jessiman still with the Eagles, I’m not so sure you see Mandolese being traded for Baribeau. |
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Post by hockey1981 on Dec 20, 2018 17:04:24 GMT -4
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 20, 2018 17:08:23 GMT -4
Most of us really really really hope this happens. Minus a stat man, anyway. |
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