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Post by Judas In My Mind on Aug 27, 2019 9:44:20 GMT -4
If Roy and Savoie eventually are the only two players from this past draft are the only kids that play for the Dogs I will consider this draft a big disappointment. Even if Roy and Savoie turn out to be good players. Historically guys that don’t report at 16 never show up. I believe Reynolds will be here next year. If that happens, and he lives up to the hype along with Roy, plus Savoie should make it next year, it changes the evaluation of the draft completely. Otherwise yes I agree it very well could go down as disappointing. |
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Post by Slap Shooter on Aug 27, 2019 10:12:37 GMT -4
If Roy and Savoie eventually are the only two players from this past draft are the only kids that play for the Dogs I will consider this draft a big disappointment. Even if Roy and Savoie turn out to be good players. Historically guys that don’t report at 16 never show up. I believe Reynolds will be here next year. If that happens, and he lives up to the hype along with Roy, plus Savoie should make it next year, it changes the evaluation of the draft completely. Otherwise yes I agree it very well could go down as disappointing. If either of Reynolds or McDonald report then it would be considered successful with Roy and Savoie and one or both of them. |
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Post by ldub23 on Aug 27, 2019 10:30:52 GMT -4
I agree that IF Joshua Roy and Charles Savoie are the only 2019 drafted players on the roster next season, everyone associated with the Sea Dogs will be disappointed. In the five scrimmages and two exhibitions games I attended, Charles Savoie and Robert Orr were as good as or better than almost all of the depth forwards on the current roster.
But it appears that the Sea Dogs have determined that - like they did initially with Mathieu Joseph - it's best to place a rookie where they will receive top line minutes. In the team's article about the recent roster moves Trevor Georgie said; “We have young depth in every position and just because a player isn’t on the team right now, doesn’t mean they aren’t good enough. We want our players to develop so they will help us win championships one day. Many of them will go to their AAA or junior team and play important roles, get lots of ice time, and add more experience to their toolbox.”
So, regarding LIMH's point of only one 16 year-old making the cut, the better question may be; "Are the 16 year-olds better than the current top 9 forwards (Guay, Lawrence, Cajkovic, Burns, Drover, Stairs, Roy, White and NDP/W.Poirier) or top 4 D (J.Poirier, Villeneuve, C.DesRoches and Lehmus)?"
On the flip side - and at the risk of being accused of consuming way too much Sea Dogs Blue Kool-Aid - IF Savoie, Orr and at least one or two of Peter Reynolds, Cam MacDonald and Anthony Cliche, sign with the Sea Dogs, there will be virtually no room for the three (likely all top 5-8) first round draft choices from the 2020 Draft. At that point, the talk will be about how the coaching staff can possibly find enough ice time for all these young studs. I, for one, long for those days again.
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Post by Judas In My Mind on Aug 27, 2019 10:37:15 GMT -4
I agree that IF Joshua Roy and Charles Savoie are the only 2019 drafted players on the roster next season, everyone associated with the Sea Dogs will be disappointed. In the five scrimmages and two exhibitions games I attended, Charles Savoie and Robert Orr were as good as or better than almost all of the depth forwards on the current roster. But it appears that the Sea Dogs have determined that - like they did initially with Mathieu Joseph - it's best to place a rookie where they will receive top line minutes. In the team's article about the recent roster moves Trevor Georgie said; “We have young depth in every position and just because a player isn’t on the team right now, doesn’t mean they aren’t good enough. We want our players to develop so they will help us win championships one day. Many of them will go to their AAA or junior team and play important roles, get lots of ice time, and add more experience to their toolbox.” So, regarding LIMH's point of only one 16 year-old making the cut, the better question may be; "Are the 16 year-olds better than the current top 9 forwards (Guay, Lawrence, Cajkovic, Burns, Drover, Stairs, Roy, White and NDP/W.Poirier) or top 4 D (J.Poirier, Villeneuve, C.DesRoches and Lehmus)?" On the flip side - and at the risk of being accused of consuming way too much Sea Dogs Blue Kool-Aid - IF Savoie, Orr and at least one or two of Peter Reynolds, Cam MacDonald and Anthony Cliche, sign with the Sea Dogs, there will be virtually no room for the three (likely all top 5-8) first round draft choices from the 2020 Draft. At that point, the talk will be about how the coaching staff can possibly find enough ice time for all these young studs. I, for one, long for those days again. Agree with you it is a very nice problem. Again I was not actually being critical necessarily of the draft. It was more something I notice and got shocked by the fact that only one guy made it. Most terrible teams go OVER the 3 16 year old limit. A normal team uses the 3 slots. A strong team maybe 2. A contender one or even zero. As much as I think we will be improved, we are no contender this year. Thus why it struck me as odd to only have 1 16 year old make the team. |
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Post by Judas In My Mind on Aug 27, 2019 10:54:39 GMT -4
On the flip side - and at the risk of being accused of consuming way too much Sea Dogs Blue Kool-Aid - IF Savoie, Orr and at least one or two of Peter Reynolds, Cam MacDonald and Anthony Cliche, sign with the Sea Dogs, there will be virtually no room for the three (likely all top 5-8) first round draft choices from the 2020 Draft. At that point, the talk will be about how the coaching staff can possibly find enough ice time for all these young studs. I, for one, long for those days again. I fully hope/expect to see all or most of those picks packaged together, possibly along with one or both of the 2021 1st rounders we own, to acquire a couple established players. Other than Barron in Halifax, there are a lot of defenseman from that 2017 draft that were picked early and have not fully lived up to their potential or an expectation of how much impact they'd have at this point. Like Desroches, who we just acquired. There are 4-5 other guys there I'd definitely be interested in SJ acquiring, depending on price. They'd be 18 this year. 19 next year. 20 in the Memorial Cup year. If you like the player and think he'd be back as a 20, keep them. If you think they'll go pro at 20, trade them away as a 19 at Xmas and get back all/some of what you paid to get them previously. I would have preferred to have picked a player up like that in the preseason though. That door is now closed. |
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Post by pinkbeaver on Aug 27, 2019 11:05:51 GMT -4
I agree that IF Joshua Roy and Charles Savoie are the only 2019 drafted players on the roster next season, everyone associated with the Sea Dogs will be disappointed. In the five scrimmages and two exhibitions games I attended, Charles Savoie and Robert Orr were as good as or better than almost all of the depth forwards on the current roster. But it appears that the Sea Dogs have determined that - like they did initially with Mathieu Joseph - it's best to place a rookie where they will receive top line minutes. In the team's article about the recent roster moves Trevor Georgie said; “We have young depth in every position and just because a player isn’t on the team right now, doesn’t mean they aren’t good enough. We want our players to develop so they will help us win championships one day. Many of them will go to their AAA or junior team and play important roles, get lots of ice time, and add more experience to their toolbox.” So, regarding LIMH's point of only one 16 year-old making the cut, the better question may be; "Are the 16 year-olds better than the current top 9 forwards (Guay, Lawrence, Cajkovic, Burns, Drover, Stairs, Roy, White and NDP/W.Poirier) or top 4 D (J.Poirier, Villeneuve, C.DesRoches and Lehmus)?" On the flip side - and at the risk of being accused of consuming way too much Sea Dogs Blue Kool-Aid - IF Savoie, Orr and at least one or two of Peter Reynolds, Cam MacDonald and Anthony Cliche, sign with the Sea Dogs, there will be virtually no room for the three (likely all top 5-8) first round draft choices from the 2020 Draft. At that point, the talk will be about how the coaching staff can possibly find enough ice time for all these young studs. I, for one, long for those days again. Agree with you it is a very nice problem. Again I was not actually being critical necessarily of the draft. It was more something I notice and got shocked by the fact that only one guy made it. Most terrible teams go OVER the 3 16 year old limit. A normal team uses the 3 slots. A strong team maybe 2. A contender one or even zero.As much as I think we will be improved, we are no contender this year. Thus why it struck me as odd to only have 1 16 year old make the team. The Sea Dogs roster makeup is unprecedented with the number of highly skilled 17 YO's on the roster. I don't think you can say there aren't enough 16's given that their roster is not like a normal team. As far as the draft goes, I think it was better for them to take shots at high end prospects than have an additional couple of Savoie calibre prospects that you have no room for. Going back to midget isn't always the worst thing. I would say Drover and Stairs going to Junior A seems like the best thing they could have done. Especially Stairs where he played a key role and went deep in the playoffs. Also worth noting, is the stockpile of future first rounders. (potentially many lottery picks) You have to factor them in as well as they will likely be competing with a 17 YO Savoie for a spot in the SJ lineup. I think the approach was correct regardless of if reynolds or MacDonald show up. |
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Post by ysj28 on Aug 27, 2019 15:43:02 GMT -4
Poirier has been placed on waivers
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Post by dogsfan1978 on Aug 27, 2019 15:55:56 GMT -4
On the flip side - and at the risk of being accused of consuming way too much Sea Dogs Blue Kool-Aid - IF Savoie, Orr and at least one or two of Peter Reynolds, Cam MacDonald and Anthony Cliche, sign with the Sea Dogs, there will be virtually no room for the three (likely all top 5-8) first round draft choices from the 2020 Draft. At that point, the talk will be about how the coaching staff can possibly find enough ice time for all these young studs. I, for one, long for those days again. I fully hope/expect to see all or most of those picks packaged together, possibly along with one or both of the 2021 1st rounders we own, to acquire a couple established players. Other than Barron in Halifax, there are a lot of defenseman from that 2017 draft that were picked early and have not fully lived up to their potential or an expectation of how much impact they'd have at this point. Like Desroches, who we just acquired. There are 4-5 other guys there I'd definitely be interested in SJ acquiring, depending on price. They'd be 18 this year. 19 next year. 20 in the Memorial Cup year. If you like the player and think he'd be back as a 20, keep them. If you think they'll go pro at 20, trade them away as a 19 at Xmas and get back all/some of what you paid to get them previously. I would have preferred to have picked a player up like that in the preseason though. That door is now closed. Damn I’m excited!! |
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Post by Briwhel on Aug 29, 2019 8:20:32 GMT -4
I could see 3 reasons for not getting Tucker
1) Management doesn't see him as an upgrade (I would respectfully disagree with this)
2) We have a move in place to improve our D
3) Our older D are here knowing that we could improve our D any time and they could be out (which wouldn't be fair to Tucker)
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Post by j3e4 on Aug 29, 2019 11:20:39 GMT -4
I could see 3 reasons for not getting Tucker 1) Management doesn't see him as an upgrade (I would respectfully disagree with this) 2) We have a move in place to improve our D 3) Our older D are here knowing that we could improve our D any time and they could be out (which wouldn't be fair to Tucker) Who's this? Is he someone on waivers or a free agent? |
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Post by Briwhel on Aug 29, 2019 11:23:30 GMT -4
I could see 3 reasons for not getting Tucker 1) Management doesn't see him as an upgrade (I would respectfully disagree with this) 2) We have a move in place to improve our D 3) Our older D are here knowing that we could improve our D any time and they could be out (which wouldn't be fair to Tucker) Who's this? Is he someone on waivers or a free agent? I don't know, but Lacombe from Quebec just became available |
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Post by j3e4 on Aug 29, 2019 11:33:34 GMT -4
Who's this? Is he someone on waivers or a free agent? I don't know, but Lacombe from Quebec just became available Sorry I'm a bit confused here. You made a post about a guy but you don't know who he is? |
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Post by Briwhel on Aug 29, 2019 11:35:32 GMT -4
I don't know, but Lacombe from Quebec just became available Sorry I'm a bit confused here. You made a post about a guy but you don't know who he is? Sorry, I made a post about us not putting in a waiver claim for Jack Tucker |
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Post by j3e4 on Aug 29, 2019 11:36:25 GMT -4
Sorry I'm a bit confused here. You made a post about a guy but you don't know who he is? Sorry, I made a post about us not putting in a waiver claim for Jack Tucker Okay thanks! |
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Post by Judas In My Mind on Aug 29, 2019 12:20:25 GMT -4
Who's this? Is he someone on waivers or a free agent? I don't know, but Lacombe from Quebec just became available He's been available for much longer than 56 minutes ago like your post says. Looks like someone was reading another thread.  |
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